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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 18, 2018 21:07:42 GMT
A decent substitution looked better with him when he came on. Can we give him a chance next game.
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Berahino
Sept 18, 2018 21:08:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 21:08:54 GMT
He looked good, I’d go with him instead of Diouf next game but I wouldn’t complain if it’s the same 11.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 18, 2018 21:14:37 GMT
I can’t believe I’m saying this but yes he looked decent when he came on.
Rowett needs to give both him and Afobe a chance together.
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Berahino
Sept 18, 2018 21:24:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 21:24:32 GMT
The problem is that he wants to play up top, off the shoulder. Whereas Biram is put out wide - so how can they be interchangeable in the same system?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 21:43:04 GMT
The problem is that he wants to play up top, off the shoulder. Whereas Biram is put out wide - so how can they be interchangeable in the same system? We play him on the shoulder and fuck Biram off completely?
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Berahino
Sept 18, 2018 21:45:34 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 18, 2018 21:45:34 GMT
The problem is that he wants to play up top, off the shoulder. Whereas Biram is put out wide - so how can they be interchangeable in the same system? We play him on the shoulder and fuck Biram off completely? Who the fuck calls him Biram haha.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 18, 2018 21:57:18 GMT
I thought Bera has started the season like a new player, should be getting more minutes.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 18, 2018 21:58:14 GMT
Very good when he came on looked sharp again and chased every ball. Refereshing to see his new attitude well done saido!!
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Berahino
Sept 18, 2018 21:59:28 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 18, 2018 21:59:28 GMT
Sticking two up top made a big difference , before the switch we were struggling. Thought Diouf was decent tonight put a couple of great balls in and covered the ground well .
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Berahino
Sept 18, 2018 23:32:00 GMT
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Post by rorystowel on Sept 18, 2018 23:32:00 GMT
We should be starting home games with two upfront, Afobe and Berahino. We were far too defensive first half especially. I’ve been a big critic of Bera, and he still has a lot to prove, but he’s looking sharp and interested so credit to the lad.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 18, 2018 23:49:13 GMT
He looked good, I’d go with him instead of Diouf next game but I wouldn’t complain if it’s the same 11. Can’t be done because Diouf is needed for his defensive capabilities. Neither Berahino nor Bojan are strong enough or have enough energy to track back to defend for 70 minutes. We are always going to be in this predicament until McLean returns. Berahino and Bojan can only be used as center forwards or attacking midfield players. Bojan has more skill, ball control and vision than Allen and he does not run around like a puppy dog chasing a balloon. I understand Allen scored today, but I can’t see Bojan or even Berahino missing that chance.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 18, 2018 23:51:23 GMT
We should be starting home games with two upfront, Afobe and Berahino. We were far too defensive first half especially. I’ve been a big critic of Bera, and he still has a lot to prove, but he’s looking sharp and interested so credit to the lad. We need 5 in midfield (4231, or 433 which is effectively 451) to reduce the exposure to our defence, which is very shaky.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 23:56:42 GMT
He's got a great first touch hasn't he.
I still don't know what he is...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 23:29:12 GMT
We play him on the shoulder and fuck Biram off completely? Who the fuck calls him Biram haha. Fair point I only called him that because the guy I quoted said it first
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Berahino
Sept 20, 2018 0:24:36 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 20, 2018 0:24:36 GMT
Who the fuck calls him Biram haha. Fair point I only called him that because the guy I quoted said it first That’s what I meant haha, very odd...
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Post by metalhead on Sept 20, 2018 8:11:58 GMT
I don't understand what Rowett doesn't see in Bera. He's clearly a good option.... why not use him a bit more?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2018 8:43:17 GMT
The problems with playing Bera instead of Diouf are that you're sucking yet more pace out of the team and, as has been mentioned, he's yet to show much aptitude for tracking back, which is necessary, boring though it is. He's unlucky to have been dropped though and is still possibly worth a run in either of the two forward roles.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 20, 2018 9:46:18 GMT
I fail to see what Berahino brings that isn't bettered by Bojan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 9:50:43 GMT
I don't understand what Rowett doesn't see in Bera. He's clearly a good option.... why not use him a bit more? To be fair, he was dropped for Woods which I don't think anyone can argue with really.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 20, 2018 10:08:55 GMT
I don't understand what Rowett doesn't see in Bera. He's clearly a good option.... why not use him a bit more? To be fair, he was dropped for Woods which I don't think anyone can argue with really. Maybe, but should it have been Bera or Allen?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 10:14:32 GMT
To be fair, he was dropped for Woods which I don't think anyone can argue with really. Maybe, but should it have been Bera or Allen? Can Woods and Etebo play as a midfield two though? I've said before, we need to try it at some point that's for sure.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 20, 2018 11:40:07 GMT
Maybe, but should it have been Bera or Allen? Can Woods and Etebo play as a midfield two though? I've said before, we need to try it at some point that's for sure. With his goal, I suspect Allen has guaranteed himself a start for the weekend. It's not entirely justified though, he's been awful for weeks and I would have dropped him on Tuesday. After Rowett's spiel about not being afraid to drop big names, he proved it by not dropping anyone at all.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 20, 2018 11:49:35 GMT
Maybe when Clucas is up and running, he can take that left-side role from Doof and allow GR to play Saido alongside (or off) Afobe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 11:50:38 GMT
Can Woods and Etebo play as a midfield two though? I've said before, we need to try it at some point that's for sure. With his goal, I suspect Allen has guaranteed himself a start for the weekend. It's not entirely justified though, he's been awful for weeks and I would have dropped him on Tuesday. After Rowett's spiel about not being afraid to drop big names, he proved it by not dropping anyone at all. I think he has a Pulis for Walters sized hard on with Allen, to be honest, don't think we will be seeing him dropped any time soon.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2018 11:54:47 GMT
Can Woods and Etebo play as a midfield two though? I've said before, we need to try it at some point that's for sure. With his goal, I suspect Allen has guaranteed himself a start for the weekend. It's not entirely justified though, he's been awful for weeks and I would have dropped him on Tuesday. After Rowett's spiel about not being afraid to drop big names, he proved it by not dropping anyone at all. Allen had a decent game regardless of the goal, I'm hoping its an unchanged team.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 20, 2018 12:07:54 GMT
With his goal, I suspect Allen has guaranteed himself a start for the weekend. It's not entirely justified though, he's been awful for weeks and I would have dropped him on Tuesday. After Rowett's spiel about not being afraid to drop big names, he proved it by not dropping anyone at all. I think he has a Pulis for Walters sized hard on with Allen, to be honest, don't think we will be seeing him dropped any time soon. Hughes had a lob on for Allen. I really didn't think Rowett would be the same. There's clearly something we're not seeing. I suspect Allen is the ultimate professional in training etc and that wins a lot of goodwill. He's just not performed acceptably for a good 6 months though. With his goal, I suspect Allen has guaranteed himself a start for the weekend. It's not entirely justified though, he's been awful for weeks and I would have dropped him on Tuesday. After Rowett's spiel about not being afraid to drop big names, he proved it by not dropping anyone at all. Allen had a decent game regardless of the goal, I'm hoping its an unchanged team. Did he? I thought he was bordering on okay. Decent for me is generous. Etebo had a decent game. Woods had a good game. Allen was the weakest of the three. Caught in possession repeatedly, poor passes all over the place etc. The one thing Allen does and is consistently willing to do, is run and put the miles in. He did that. I'll give him that.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 20, 2018 12:18:38 GMT
Re: Berahino - We don't need him to look good though, we need him to produce... to have end product... to create or score. Its great for him he seems to have got his shit together - that's positive and must have taken some guts. But its a different pt on whether he is an answer to any question worth asking.
We all saw that squads in and around the POs need 3 players to score or create 15 goals. Villa have 5 capable of that - Hourihane, Kodje, Abraham, Grealish, and Adomah if they get him back. WBA have 4 in Philips, Barnes, Rodrguez and Gayle. We have only 2 - Ince and Afobe. That pretty much, for me, puts a ceiling on what we can achieve and defines us as a mid table team at best, in a league when many games are 5050 settled by the individuals with the composure and technique to make critical moments pay.
In our current squad, the only other hope - long shot - would be to get Bojan going. Fit and on form, he could contribute 15. But he has only played about 15 games a season for the last 5 hasn't he? And produced v little since injury. So long shot indeed.
Its going to take this season and another to get a frontline that can challenge it seems. Don't mean to bash Berahino more than he has because he is looking a competent footballer again, but for this mission, at this level.... sorry....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 13:19:16 GMT
Re: Berahino - We don't need him to look good though, we need him to produce... to have end product... to create or score. Its great for him he seems to have got his shit together - that's positive and must have taken some guts. But its a different pt on whether he is an answer to any question worth asking. We all saw that squads in and around the POs need 3 players to score or create 15 goals. Villa have 5 capable of that - Hourihane, Kodje, Abraham, Grealish, and Adomah if they get him back. WBA have 4 in Philips, Barnes, Rodrguez and Gayle. We have only 2 - Ince and Afobe. That pretty much, for me, puts a ceiling on what we can achieve and defines us as a mid table team at best, in a league when many games are 5050 settled by the individuals with the composure and technique to make critical moments pay. In our current squad, the only other hope - long shot - would be to get Bojan going. Fit and on form, he could contribute 15. But he has only played about 15 games a season for the last 5 hasn't he? And produced v little since injury. So long shot indeed. Its going to take this season and another to get a frontline that can challenge it seems. Don't mean to bash Berahino more than he has because he is looking a competent footballer again, but for this mission, at this level.... sorry.... I think Afobe could quite easily lead the top scorers in the division. I'd expect Ince to get at least 10. The rest depends on how much Rowett fiddles with the team. Diouf, though it pains me to say it, can quite easily fumble 10 over the line, given the game time. If we stick with Allen and Etebo their aim should be to get to double figures and one of them should do. Bojan could score 15 easily but he won't get the game time. I'd expect McClean to finish on 5ish.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 20, 2018 14:17:57 GMT
Re: Berahino - We don't need him to look good though, we need him to produce... to have end product... to create or score. Its great for him he seems to have got his shit together - that's positive and must have taken some guts. But its a different pt on whether he is an answer to any question worth asking. We all saw that squads in and around the POs need 3 players to score or create 15 goals. Villa have 5 capable of that - Hourihane, Kodje, Abraham, Grealish, and Adomah if they get him back. WBA have 4 in Philips, Barnes, Rodrguez and Gayle. We have only 2 - Ince and Afobe. That pretty much, for me, puts a ceiling on what we can achieve and defines us as a mid table team at best, in a league when many games are 5050 settled by the individuals with the composure and technique to make critical moments pay. In our current squad, the only other hope - long shot - would be to get Bojan going. Fit and on form, he could contribute 15. But he has only played about 15 games a season for the last 5 hasn't he? And produced v little since injury. So long shot indeed. Its going to take this season and another to get a frontline that can challenge it seems. Don't mean to bash Berahino more than he has because he is looking a competent footballer again, but for this mission, at this level.... sorry.... Yep this post is absolutely spot on. To get promoted you need to win 25 games and to do that you need match winners and goalscorers. And it's been pointed out many times if Afobe gets injured we are left with Bera diouf and Crouch up front. It wasn't good enough last season and again it's not good enough even at this level. I have absolutely no idea what Berahino offers. He clearly isn't a goal scorer, lone target man or god forbid a No10 since his time here he has scored one goal and made one assist! Maybe in January the penny will drop and we will bring in extra fire power. Until then if Rowett ever plays 4-4-2 then I hate to say it but Diouf is a better option or Bojan at least they are likely to get chances.
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