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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 19:49:20 GMT
Liverpool have recruited one apparently. Decent discussion and interview with the man himself (Thomas Gronnemark) on 5 Live from 8ish if anyone wants to listen to it. He spoke about the different types of throw-ins (not just long ones) and the kind of work done to coach players both taking and receiving them. Mentioned us and Delap but was a bit dismissive about the way we went about it. I thought there were a lot more to ours than met the eye. There were a couple of periods where any throw-in within 40 yards of the opponent's goal-line meant serious danger. We also used them to get up the pitch, win free kicks and corners, etc. Anyway: where Pulis innovated, Klopp is following over a decade later.  |
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Post by rawli on Sept 3, 2018 19:51:10 GMT
Liverpool have recruited one apparently. Decent discussion and interview with the man himself (Thomas Gronnemark) on 5 Live from 8ish if anyone wants to listen to it. He spoke about the different types of throw-ins (not just long ones) and the kind of work done to coach players both taking and receiving them. Mentioned us and Delap but was a bit dismissive about the way we went about it. I thought there were a lot more to ours than met the eye. There were a couple of periods where any throw-in within 40 yards of the opponent's goal-line meant serious danger. We also used them to get up the pitch, win free kicks and corners, etc. Anyway: where Pulis innovated, Klopp is following over a decade later. Just needs to narrow the pitch and he's there. |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 19:52:08 GMT
Liverpool have recruited one apparently. Decent discussion and interview with the man himself (Thomas Gronnemark) on 5 Live from 8ish if anyone wants to listen to it. He spoke about the different types of throw-ins (not just long ones) and the kind of work done to coach players both taking and receiving them. Mentioned us and Delap but was a bit dismissive about the way we went about it. I thought there were a lot more to ours than met the eye. There were a couple of periods where any throw-in within 40 yards of the opponent's goal-line meant serious danger. We also used them to get up the pitch, win free kicks and corners, etc. Anyway: where Pulis innovated, Klopp is following over a decade later. Just needs to narrow the pitch and he's there. Apparently Joe Gomez was zipping some in at the weekend. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 3, 2018 19:55:32 GMT
Just needs to narrow the pitch and he's there. Apparently Joe Gomez was zipping some in at the weekend. With the human sex doll? |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 19:57:08 GMT
Apparently Joe Gomez was zipping some in at the weekend. With the human sex doll? I hate that thread. |
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Post by samba :) on Sept 3, 2018 20:01:13 GMT
Apparently Joe Gomez was zipping some in at the weekend. With the human sex doll? plot twist, hes a transvestite and he is the sex doll |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 3, 2018 20:05:29 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws .
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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 20:11:17 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Wright and Ince were both typically useless in that discussion weren't they? |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 3, 2018 20:15:11 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Wright and Ince were both typically useless in that discussion weren't they? As much as I don't like Chris Sutton he was the only one who had anything useful to say |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 20:17:26 GMT
Wright and Ince were both typically useless in that discussion weren't they? As much as I don't like Chris Sutton he was the only one who had anything useful to say I'm starting to warm to Sutton now I'm aware he spends at least half his time trying to either wind people up or say something deliberately controversial. The rest of the time he talks sense. |
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Post by generationex on Sept 3, 2018 20:18:28 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Arsenal certainly never benefited from them when they came to the Potteries. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 3, 2018 20:21:34 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Didn't he watch Arsenal when they capitulated at Stoke? Or England v Iceland? |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 3, 2018 20:23:17 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Most decent pundits highlighted that what made Rory's throw unique was the speed of delivery combined with the flat trajectory.When opponents were prepared to concede corners rather than a throw-in you knew we had something special. Unfortunately we didn't evolve the tactic when teams,after a couple of seasons, started to cope better with the threat,if memory serves? |
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Post by rawli on Sept 3, 2018 20:23:27 GMT
As much as I don't like Chris Sutton he was the only one who had anything useful to say I'm starting to warm to Sutton now I'm aware he spends at least half his time trying to either wind people up or say something deliberately controversial. The rest of the time he talks sense. Being surrounded by a shower of twats certainly makes him seem better. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 3, 2018 20:33:33 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Most decent pundits highlighted that what made Rory's throw unique was the speed of delivery combined with the flat trajectory.When opponents were prepared to concede corners rather than a throw-in you knew we had something special. Unfortunately we didn't evolve the tactic when teams,after a couple of seasons, started to cope better with the threat,if memory serves? It served us well for those early prem seasons though didn't it |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 3, 2018 20:36:34 GMT
Worked from 2007 until the FA Cup final season. But that kind of went along with the decline of Delap overall. Teams couldn't work out how to defend it properly for a good couple of seasons. Remarkable really.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 3, 2018 20:55:44 GMT
Most decent pundits highlighted that what made Rory's throw unique was the speed of delivery combined with the flat trajectory.When opponents were prepared to concede corners rather than a throw-in you knew we had something special. Unfortunately we didn't evolve the tactic when teams,after a couple of seasons, started to cope better with the threat,if memory serves? It served us well for those early prem seasons though didn't it Absolutely,it was more potent a weapon than a free-kick.It always got the crowd going knowing Rory was able to scud one into the box from practically the half way line.Happy days. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 3, 2018 21:40:35 GMT
I've always been surprised no one has tried to emulate Delap's throws. I was hoping Bauer would get trained up after he asked about it. Maybe Rowett's said Bauer will be back in the team when he can throw as well as Delap.
Even when they stopped being as effective and didn't lead directly to goals, they still helped us keep the pressure on teams.
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Post by ivorstokie on Sept 4, 2018 12:16:56 GMT
I recall that when we were using the tactic 10 years ago, it amused but was derided by the pundits in equal measure. It was just part of our Pulisball approach and not in the armoury of any 'proper' Premiership team. Now it's everyone's favourites Liverpool who use it it will become the best thing since sliced bread, and everyone will be trying it. We'll be seeing Barca hurling in 50 yard missiles to Messi before long!
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 4, 2018 12:38:52 GMT
Seems a tad eccentric to have a specialist coach in it but if it helps improve the team then fair enough. Every bit helps.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 4, 2018 12:56:26 GMT
Seems a tad eccentric to have a specialist coach in it but if it helps improve the team then fair enough. Every bit helps. Do you think we're almost edging into NFL territory Joe,specialist coaches for different facets of the game,(defensive,offensive etc,)it's becoming more and more about the tactical minutiae for the top teams,as there won't be that much radically different between the physical conditioning of teams with big budgets? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 4, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
Seems a tad eccentric to have a specialist coach in it but if it helps improve the team then fair enough. Every bit helps. Do you think we're almost edging into NFL territory Joe,specialist coaches for different facets of the game,(defensive,offensive etc,)it's becoming more and more about the tactical minutiae for the top teams,as they won't be that much radically different between the physical conditioning of teams with big budgets? That's precisely where it's heading mate. The right tactical switch from a manager can be decisive. Wars of attrition. English players will have to be more adaptable and aware. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 4, 2018 14:17:38 GMT
To be honest I've often wondered why teams never seem to have a coordinated quick throw-in tactic whereby, for example, attacking players make immediate forward runs behind the defence knowing they can't be caught offside.. or other routines.. when you look at how meticulously planned and choreographed certain other set-pieces are, throw-ins have always seemed a bit ad-hoc to me. Half the time they lead to losing the ball immediately.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 4, 2018 19:52:15 GMT
To be honest I've often wondered why teams never seem to have a coordinated quick throw-in tactic whereby, for example, attacking players make immediate forward runs behind the defence knowing they can't be caught offside.. or other routines.. when you look at how meticulously planned and choreographed certain other set-pieces are, throw-ins have always seemed a bit ad-hoc to me. Half the time they lead to losing the ball immediately. And the fact you can't be offside from a throw in is rarely exploited. |
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Post by santy on Sept 4, 2018 21:43:25 GMT
Seems a tad eccentric to have a specialist coach in it but if it helps improve the team then fair enough. Every bit helps. Do you think we're almost edging into NFL territory Joe,specialist coaches for different facets of the game,(defensive,offensive etc,)it's becoming more and more about the tactical minutiae for the top teams,as they won't be that much radically different between the physical conditioning of teams with big budgets? It's definitely the way football is going. I wasn't around to see the football of the 70's and 80's firsthand, but its all over the internet, and its a very open and definitely enjoyable type of football to watch. Yet compared to todays game, comically poor in tactical comparison. I've said before Allardyce, for us here in England at least, really brought in the very data driven defensive approach to football. That soon came to be adopted in some fashion and its clear that any of the best teams from the 70's and 80's would be out-matched defensively by a modern era team. There were managers who fell by the wayside when they couldn't adapt to this, I'd argue the one who lasted the longest without ever embracing this was probably Wenger. Meanwhile Mourinho was probably the greatest to utilise and embrace this approach. It's happening with attacking football now, for me the main reason Hughes lost his way here was that he never adapted this. There was no fixed plan of attack, it was a very hands off, let the players handle it type approach. Others like Guardiola are now bringing the same drilled approach to attacking, where players have very explicit instructions of how to attack. Mourinho seems to be really struggling in this area at the moment, and its possible he's the Wenger of the next decade if he doesn't pick it up soon. It's largely gone past the point now where players are left to rely on their own thoughts of how best to accomplish something, it seems like there might have been something in Englands approach this summer with corners as on the whole corners and set pieces had become fairly predictable over the last few years. |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 5, 2018 0:43:53 GMT
Hurrah! Engaged discussion.
Yep, it's getting like US sports alright. No way back now.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 5, 2018 1:50:50 GMT
To be honest I've often wondered why teams never seem to have a coordinated quick throw-in tactic whereby, for example, attacking players make immediate forward runs behind the defence knowing they can't be caught offside.. or other routines.. when you look at how meticulously planned and choreographed certain other set-pieces are, throw-ins have always seemed a bit ad-hoc to me. Half the time they lead to losing the ball immediately. And the fact you can't be offside from a throw in is rarely exploited. I recall Phil Brown making exactly this point on MOTD or MOTD2 very early on in our Premier League tenure,he was one who spoke positively about the legitimacy of our throw-in tactics. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 5, 2018 1:56:54 GMT
To be honest I've often wondered why teams never seem to have a coordinated quick throw-in tactic whereby, for example, attacking players make immediate forward runs behind the defence knowing they can't be caught offside.. or other routines.. when you look at how meticulously planned and choreographed certain other set-pieces are, throw-ins have always seemed a bit ad-hoc to me. Half the time they lead to losing the ball immediately. I think we need to adopt these tactics whilst playing 'Ride of the Valkyries'over the pa system to accompany every throw....😉 |
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Sept 5, 2018 17:54:08 GMT
I listened to it and they m anaged to discuss long throws without once mentioning Delap , Ian wright said he's never seen a team who benefited from long throws . Well what would you expect from somebody who played for that team in Norf London! Senseless! |
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Post by enuntio on Sept 5, 2018 18:12:53 GMT
Not the first time I've this, but. I absolutely loved our throw ins from Rory.
No least because it put the fear of god into our opponents and also the tactics employed to try and stop it from happening :-)
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