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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Aug 23, 2018 7:55:59 GMT
So, he came on last night and played out of position, left wing and right wing.
This was never going to help his game but, and its a big but, he didn't even manage the basics.
I have always wanted Bojan to recover from the Rochdale nightmare but it simply isn't going to happen.
I know he will never properly track back, but his confidence, pace, trickery and decision making all seem to have left him too.
Many fans tell me he can link play, I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away last night.
Etebo would probably have been a better option for the injured Ince last night.
It is very telling how little interest there has been in Bojan and how unsuccessful his last two seasons have been out on loan.
He has been a wonderful player for us but I feel he is done now at Stoke, may be as a footballer all together, and being with us is simply a distraction from the bigger problems that we have.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2018 7:58:02 GMT
I don’t necessarily disagree, but surely he needs a run of games at this level in his proper position before we write him off entirely? We need all the creativity we can get.
Criticising him for last night (and I thought he was ok tbh) is like criticising your dishwasher because you can’t get Sky Sports on it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 7:58:56 GMT
He came on and actually beat a man, the clueless bastard.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Aug 23, 2018 7:59:42 GMT
Is your insult aimed at me?
McClean - who you desperately want out of the team, did that repeatedly
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 8:00:59 GMT
Is your insult aimed at me? McClean - who you desperately want out of the team, did that repeatedly I wasn’t insulting anyone? |
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Post by philb on Aug 23, 2018 8:04:39 GMT
Playing Bojan on the left wing was the final straw for me last night. Rowett hasn’t got a clue what to do with the players at his disposal and although the players are a bunch of bottlers, he has to take a fair share of the blame for where we find ourselves at the moment. He hasn’t got clue of who or how he wants to play at the moment, and that’s really worrying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 8:05:25 GMT
Bojan is one of our best players at the moment and should be starting every game. He may not be the answer to all our problems but you could put Messi and Ronaldo up front and the shower of shit that is behind them would still concede 2+ goals a game.
Our attack is not the issue, if we could keep a clean sheet once in a while we'd soon start picking up points. Allowing an £18m centre back to go out on loan when we have no replacement for him was nothing short of madness. With Zouma and Wimmer gone at the back and only Williams in (who is now banned - the stupid ****) we are looking very short at the back, especially with the way Shawcross is playing and the injury to BMI who can't come back soon enough.
And before you all start - Wimmer is far from perfect but I'd have persisted with him for a bit longer, he could have been useful this season. At this point I'd even consider signing Wolly back on a free we are that short of defenders. Huth and Terry are both free agents and would walk into our current back 4.
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Post by KevinWhimper on Aug 23, 2018 8:06:28 GMT
So, he came on last night and played out of position, left wing and right wing. This was never going to help his game but, and its a big but, he didn't even manage the basics. I have always wanted Bojan to recover from the Rochdale nightmare but it simply isn't going to happen. I know he will never properly track back, but his confidence, pace, trickery and decision making all seem to have left him too. Many fans tell me he can link play, I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away last night. Etebo would probably have been a better option for the injured Ince last night. It is very telling how little interest there has been in Bojan and how unsuccessful his last two seasons have been out on loan. He has been a wonderful player for us but I feel he is done now at Stoke, may be as a footballer all together, and being with us is simply a distraction from the bigger problems that we have. Not sure just how many times this utter fucking bollocks about Bojan being worse after his injury has to be ridiculed for people to understand? But here goes again... for the umpteenth time. BOJAN’S RECORD AFTER INJURY IS BETTER THAN THE ONE BEFORE INJURY. He was one of the best players against Brentford. Looked to play positive passes and beat a man, dropped against Preston. He came on last night, again beat men going forward and looked positive, didn’t hide away from the ball or the situation we were in last night. People on here fucking moaning about Bojan when con artists like Allen, Pieters, McClean, Shawcross could curl out a steaming shit on Rowett’s family dinner table and not get dropped. Bojan is not the problem Fuck off |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 23, 2018 8:08:15 GMT
He really isn’t the answer.
It is straw clutching in the extreme to imagine he is.
That said at the current moment he is no worse an option than any other so if he thinks it will buy him a bit of time with some supporters Rowett will probably go with him on Sat.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2018 8:09:06 GMT
So, he came on last night and played out of position, left wing and right wing. This was never going to help his game but, and its a big but, he didn't even manage the basics. I have always wanted Bojan to recover from the Rochdale nightmare but it simply isn't going to happen. I know he will never properly track back, but his confidence, pace, trickery and decision making all seem to have left him too. Many fans tell me he can link play, I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away last night. Etebo would probably have been a better option for the injured Ince last night. It is very telling how little interest there has been in Bojan and how unsuccessful his last two seasons have been out on loan. He has been a wonderful player for us but I feel he is done now at Stoke, may be as a footballer all together, and being with us is simply a distraction from the bigger problems that we have. Not sure just how many times this utter fucking bollocks about Bojan being worse after his injury has to be ridiculed for people to understand? But here goes again... for the umpteenth time. BOJAN’S RECORD AFTER INJURY IS BETTER THAN THE ONE BEFORE INJURY. He was one of the best players against Brentford. Looked to play positive passes and beat a man, dropped against Preston. He came on last night, again beat men going forward and looked positive, didn’t hide away from the ball or the situation we were in last night. People on here fucking moaning about Bojan when con artists like Allen, Pieters, McClean, Shawcross could curl out a steaming shit on Rowett’s family dinner table and not get dropped. Bojan is not the problem Fuck off Bojan hasn’t looked the electric player he was pre-injury to be fair. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 23, 2018 8:10:05 GMT
He’s definitely not the answer on the wing and never will be.
Why he’s put him there is ridiculous. The balanace of our squad is an absolute joke.
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Post by philb on Aug 23, 2018 8:10:19 GMT
He really isn’t the answer. It is straw clutching in the extreme to imagine he is. That said at the current moment he is no worse an option than any other so if he thinks it will buy him a bit of time with some supporters Rowett will probably go with him on Sat. As long as it’s not on the left bloody wing! |
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Post by 1982stokie on Aug 23, 2018 8:10:20 GMT
So, he came on last night and played out of position, left wing and right wing. This was never going to help his game but, and its a big but, he didn't even manage the basics. I have always wanted Bojan to recover from the Rochdale nightmare but it simply isn't going to happen. I know he will never properly track back, but his confidence, pace, trickery and decision making all seem to have left him too. Many fans tell me he can link play, I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away last night. Etebo would probably have been a better option for the injured Ince last night. It is very telling how little interest there has been in Bojan and how unsuccessful his last two seasons have been out on loan. He has been a wonderful player for us but I feel he is done now at Stoke, may be as a footballer all together, and being with us is simply a distraction from the bigger problems that we have. Not sure just how many times this utter fucking bollocks about Bojan being worse after his injury has to be ridiculed for people to understand? But here goes again... for the umpteenth time. BOJAN’S RECORD AFTER INJURY IS BETTER THAN THE ONE BEFORE INJURY. He was one of the best players against Brentford. Looked to play positive passes and beat a man, dropped against Preston. He came on last night, again beat men going forward and looked positive, didn’t hide away from the ball or the situation we were in last night. People on here fucking moaning about Bojan when con artists like Allen, Pieters, McClean, Shawcross could curl out a steaming shit on Rowett’s family dinner table and not get dropped. Bojan is not the problem Fuck off Absolutely, I can not believe that after last nights shower of shit people think Bojan is an Issue. |
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Post by redwhite on Aug 23, 2018 8:19:15 GMT
Utter bollocks.
You can't have a go at a number 10 being played as a Left midfielder and then a right midfielder any more than you can have a go at a centre half being played as a left back and then a right back.
He came on and, despite being in a completely unorthodox position, beat his man with ease, and was unlucky not to provide an assist. The resulting corner which he took was perfectly aimed to Shawcross at the near post who couldn't get it on target.
Even when he's played completely out of position anyone with a set of eyes can tell he's an absolute class above the rest of our team in terms of talent. The ball sticks to his feet and he passes defenders with ease. You can't coach what he has.
This isn't based on some dreamy nostalgia of the days where he ran Arsenal ragged in 2014, it's based on the two games he's featured in. He and Ince were the only two outfield players who played well against Brentford, and as mentioned it was clear at least to me that yesterday he showed how much he can provide, especially when in his natural position.
In a team full of willing runners with a complete lack of ability to control a football and retain possession, the most skilful player at the club is definitely the answer until we find someone better. He should be the first name on the team sheet.
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Post by rorystowel on Aug 23, 2018 8:20:45 GMT
Give him a run in the team, in his correct position, and then we will know for sure. Oh, and give him decent midfield support with players who can pass a ball to their own team mates so he’s not hung out to try (ie drop Allen and Fletcher)
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Post by beerspiller on Aug 23, 2018 8:25:41 GMT
Were you watching a different game??!!
Bojan should have been in the middle from the start instead of Fletcher to allow him to feed Berahino, Ince and Afobe with the abundance of ability he has. To stick him on the wing and take off Berahino for Crouch was shocking management. None of it the players fault for that just plain bad management . And to have Etobe warming the bench and to continue with Pieters after it was obvious he was terrible is again shocking management. For me Rowett’s mis management was the significant factor last night.
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Post by rawli on Aug 23, 2018 8:58:06 GMT
I don’t necessarily disagree, but surely he needs a run of games at this level in his proper position before we write him off entirely? We need all the creativity we can get. Criticising him for last night (and I thought he was ok tbh) is like criticising your dishwasher because you can’t get Sky Sports on it. I wish I'd watched the dishwasher last night. |
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 23, 2018 9:03:08 GMT
Agree with the OP. Gave the ball away and ran into blind alleys too many times. Playing out of position isn’t an excuse for not doing the basics.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 23, 2018 9:04:23 GMT
He's not the answer if the question is who can single-handedly lead us out of this nightmare - no individual can - he is a class act surrounded by a SHOWER of AGING DOGS HOME CRAP in the main with a clueless manager and rudderless, paralysed board in a toxic atmosphere where hard working paying fans are wondering when we're going to taste steak and chips again.....
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 23, 2018 9:08:31 GMT
Totally disagree Sneyd. He showed last night that he tries things, he is willing to hold the ball for longer than a second and also that he will run at people.
Personally, I would build a team around the man. He is way ahead of anyone else on the season’s showing so far.
I have never called anything so early as a Stoke fan but with that utter, mesmerising shambles last night. Where the manager simply and blatantly did not see the issues, so much so that he substituted who he did (barring Ince) on the night. Selecting Bojan to play on the wing, leaving Fletcher on so long and also waiting until Williams got the red, that EVERY fan in the ground KNEW was coming.
This marriage simply isn’t working.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 23, 2018 9:16:38 GMT
I saw something different than a lot of you. Bojan showed more quality on the left wing (out of position) then anyone else in the entire game. This admittedly was only over a ten minute period and then unfortunately the manager decided to move him over to the right wing and kill his momentum. And the game.
We should be playing Bojan behind Afobe or crouch. If we’d signed some proper width we could have that option. Now with inces injury we’re left with McClean as the only actual winger who has got even less quality than I first feared and an out of position Bojan.
I’d be tempted to try Bauer RW Bojan CAM McClean LW with Afobe or crouch upfront
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Aug 23, 2018 9:20:00 GMT
Given the chances other players get time and time again Bojan deserves a run of games
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Post by kinkyjohn on Aug 23, 2018 9:49:54 GMT
If the question is 'why did the chicken cross the road?' then Bojan is most definitely not the answer.
If the question is 'who delivered Kinky John's pizza on a little scooter on Tuesday night?' then the answer is more ambiguous. The driver rode with some panache, drifted past my gnomes effortlessly, and greeted me with a loud 'Ola!', but his helmet obscured a full view of his Catalan face.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 23, 2018 10:07:59 GMT
Depends on the question doesn't it if the question is who is our most creative player who will score goals and get the ball to the strikers? Then Bojan is the answer.
But if you are asking who is our best defensive midfielder then I would still rate him above Fletcher
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 23, 2018 10:26:43 GMT
He gave the ball away as many times as some of our midfielders did but he showed intelligence and skill. Why wouldn't we fit him in at number 10? It's the shower behind him that's as much of the problem. If there was any way of playing a midfield three plus Bojan, Ince and Afobe then we should look to do so. Sign Woods, play Clucas when fit and the one out of Etebo or Allen, with the aforementioned three in front. However, it'll take time to bed the system in, we haven't signed Woods and Clucas isn't fit. Other than that, everything is hunky dory! And meanwhile, millions of pounds worth of talent, however questionable, in Choupo, Imbula and N'Diaye, stink the place out. Throw Wimmer in to the pot too and it's bloody depressing.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 23, 2018 10:27:49 GMT
Depends on the question doesn't it if the question is who is our most creative player who will score goals and get the ball to the strikers? Then Bojan is the answer. But if you are asking who is our best defensive midfielder then I would still rate him above Fletcher I can't see any way in which Bojan wouldn't score 10 in a season and create too. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:34:38 GMT
He is not the answer but neither were any of the other 13 that were on the pitch last night and frankly for the first 4 games
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 23, 2018 10:36:41 GMT
Is your insult aimed at me? McClean - who you desperately want out of the team, did that repeatedly And managed one decent cross. Bojan creates more in 10 minutes, when he got to the bye line. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 10:40:09 GMT
This thread is bollocks, quite frankly.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 23, 2018 10:40:37 GMT
Is your insult aimed at me? McClean - who you desperately want out of the team, did that repeatedly McClean has been shit. Total shit. |
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