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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 12:23:19 GMT
I see Denis Wise is on that list. Let's get the shithouse dwarf in and start signing a bunch of absolute shithouses to shithouse our way out of this shithouse situation. (shithouse) As long as he brings Joe Kinnear with him for comedy value..... Laugh all you want, but I would take Dennis Wise and Joe Kinnear over Mark Cartwright and Tony Scholes any day.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 12:24:05 GMT
Shrewd businessman who knows nothing about football. He may be making a hash of it at present but presumably we must have got promoted and spent 10 years in the Premier League while he was away on holiday! Well, that's a discussion for another thread..... one I might start.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 12:29:44 GMT
First job tomorrow sack Scholes and Cartwright then we build. They are no doubt heavily impliacted in the mistakes made in both player and managerial recruitment but other than appease the pitchfork waving mob exactly what impact would their removal have on how the team get us out of this hole over the next few weeks?
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 12:36:17 GMT
First job tomorrow sack Scholes and Cartwright then we build. They are no doubt heavily impliacted in the mistakes made in both player and managerial recruitment but other than appease the pitchfork waving mob exactly what impact would their removal have on how the team get us out of this hole over the next few weeks? Nothing. But for the long term health of the club, they need to be fucked off ASAP.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2018 12:38:40 GMT
Coates is using the Pizza Boys as a buffer against criticism just as he used Jez Moxey for the same purpose.
Coates is the problem, he's reverting to type. Don't forget the Icelanders saved this club from stagnating under Coates' first reign.
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2018 12:50:03 GMT
Coates is using the Pizza Boys as a buffer against criticism just as he used Jez Moxey for the same purpose. Coates is the problem, he's reverting to type. Don't forget the Icelanders saved this club from stagnating under Coate' first reign. Which Coates are you referring to?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2018 12:52:13 GMT
Coates is using the Pizza Boys as a buffer against criticism just as he used Jez Moxey for the same purpose. Coates is the problem, he's reverting to type. Don't forget the Icelanders saved this club from stagnating under Coate' first reign. Which Coates are you referring to? Peter Coates of course.
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2018 12:52:42 GMT
Which Coates are you referring to? Peter Coates of course. Why?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2018 12:56:48 GMT
Just interjecting here match, sorry. Do you not think Coates is to blame also for the shambles we've been in since 2016?
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2018 12:57:29 GMT
Just interjecting here match, sorry. Do you not think Coates is to blame also for the shambles we've been in since 2016? Which Coates?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2018 13:01:02 GMT
Just interjecting here match, sorry. Do you not think Coates is to blame also for the shambles we've been in since 2016? Which Coates? Stop being obtuse, you know which Coates. We've only ever had one chairman with that name.
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2018 13:05:08 GMT
Stop being obtuse, you know which Coates. We've only ever had one chairman with that name. Are you referring to the one who is 80 years of age?
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Post by localloser on Aug 23, 2018 13:09:00 GMT
I can't absolutely vouch for the accuracy of the story, but I was told by an ex-employee of the club last night that on the day before the Brentford game, Rowett and all his crew walked out because the CEO INSISTED on picking the team. "That little shit Scholes" (his words, not mine) insisted that Bauer MUST play and Rowett said he wasn't playing. According to my informant, Peter Coates had to come to the club and plead with Rowett to come back. So now PC has to choose between backing his manager or his CEO if this sorry tale is true.
Others have said it, but there is a rottenness in this club that has to be cut out.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2018 13:09:13 GMT
Just interjecting here match, sorry. Do you not think Coates is to blame also for the shambles we've been in since 2016? Which Coates? You know full well who we're on about March. This man is overseeing our downfall now, and he oversaw one 21-22 years ago. It took new ownership to sort that out. Coates has got it all figured out March. He's got his nice little pizza boys buffer to stop him from getting all the flack. He's as much to blame as Teflon and Fat Boy are as well.
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2018 13:13:27 GMT
You know full well who we're on about March. This man is overseeing our downfall now, and he oversaw one 21-22 years ago. It took new ownership to sort that out. Coates has got it all figured out March. He's got his nice little pizza boys buffer to stop him from getting all the flack. He's as much to blame as Teflon and Fat Boy are as well. Let’s just check one more time - you are blaming Peter Coates for all of this.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2018 13:29:17 GMT
You know full well who we're on about March. This man is overseeing our downfall now, and he oversaw one 21-22 years ago. It took new ownership to sort that out. Coates has got it all figured out March. He's got his nice little pizza boys buffer to stop him from getting all the flack. He's as much to blame as Teflon and Fat Boy are as well. Let’s just check one more time - you are blaming Peter Coates for all of this. Fuck me you sound as baffled as Coates 😂 Go and look up TP on Google Images, you'll be orate.
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Post by crazyhorse on Aug 23, 2018 13:31:27 GMT
Coates is using the Pizza Boys as a buffer against criticism just as he used Jez Moxey for the same purpose. Coates is the problem, he's reverting to type. Don't forget the Icelanders saved this club from stagnating under Coate' first reign. Absolutley this. Scholes, with Moxey before him, is a useful idiot for old man Coates. The tight old bastard wouldn't part with the steam off his piss, nevermind pay someone £1m a year who, for all intents and purposes, appears to be completely imcompetent. The fact that Scholes saves him money by being "cute" in the transfer market and is a protective shield for the family is why he is stil in the role. He is a charmless bean counter who serves Coates well. Bottom line is that we are owned by a family who are allegedly massive Stoke fans, who happen to be one of the richest club owners in the richest league pyramid in the world. We are where we are because the old man has no fucking ambition other than to trundle along and balance the books. With the owners we have we should be regularly challenging for the 4th Champions League spot and having a right go at achieving FA/League Cup success. We will NEVER have a better chance of blowing away the "little old Stoke" image and addressing the disgraceful "1 league cup in 150+ years" record, but it will never happen with the old man in charge. He has no vision, no plan and no fucking idea.
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Post by podolipotter on Aug 23, 2018 13:43:00 GMT
The current Coates chairperson needs to issue "you're fired" notices to whoever has ultimate responsibility for our transfer policy. In 18 months It has gone from bad to worse to unbelievable. We are going to have to rebuild from Division 1 next season and accept the humiliation that consecutive relegations bring to the club. While players contracts include references to bonuses, do they also refer to shambolic performance fines as well? This current lot would be seeking benefits if they did.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2018 14:14:00 GMT
You know full well who we're on about March. This man is overseeing our downfall now, and he oversaw one 21-22 years ago. It took new ownership to sort that out. Coates has got it all figured out March. He's got his nice little pizza boys buffer to stop him from getting all the flack. He's as much to blame as Teflon and Fat Boy are as well. Let’s just check one more time - you are blaming Peter Coates for all of this. Are you on a fucking wind up? Let me say it again, even though I made it quite clear in my post. PETER COATES is overseeing everything happening. And yes, I am fucking blaming Peter Coates for a lot of it. He keeps Scholes and Cartwright employed, he hires and fires managers (too late), he sees what goes on. He can't be fucked to take control of his own club, and has left it to fester with shit for 2 years now.
He should have sacked the pizza boys, he hasn't. He should have sacked Hughes after the West Ham game, he didn't. He should have had some fucking ambition for once and gone all out for a great manager when Hughes went, he didn't. He promised an overhaul of the whole club to get us back into the Premier League, and guess what? He fucking hasn't done that either.
Fuck the sentimental bollocks about Coates, it's about the here and now. He's fucking had it, mate. He cannot keep up with modern football. Like Homzy said on Twitter, we have a fucking accountant and ex non-league keeper being employed by him to help run the club. And to me, quite frankly, that is fucking embarrassing.
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 23, 2018 15:08:52 GMT
He should have sacked Hughes after the West Ham game, he didn't. He promised an overhaul of the whole club to get us back into the Premier League, and guess what? He fucking hasn't done that either. Like Homzy said on Twitter, we have a fucking accountant and ex non-league keeper being employed by him to help run the club. And to me, quite frankly, that is fucking embarrassing. [/font][/quote] For me, the first two points are biggest thing the board cannot hide from, especially the later. The idea that we could stick with almost the same squad that performed so dreadfully last season smacks of either arrogance or woeful incompetence. As for the last part, how can the club not see this? I’m certainly no expert but surely to god this is not how other clubs that are on the rise operate? I don’t care that 15 odd years ago Scholes was considered a ‘rising star’ what do we have to show for his contributions the last 5+ years? The corner was built 5 years too late! As for Cartwright I believe everything about him has been said, his scouting connections haven’t done us an ounce of good and I’m sure he must have no idea himself how he has gotten to where he is and more importantly how he remains in his position. As the other thread showed; the quality (not quantity!) of our transfer dealings since 2013 are in all honesty a joke. These are the people that are in the positions of power at our club and are speculated to wield more power than the manager in the recruitment department, baffling.
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