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Post by iglugluk on Aug 22, 2018 21:58:39 GMT
Coates listened to the fans and appointed Rowett. He wanted Rowett in January. A solid ( in his eyes ) and boring English manager is what Coates wanted, it's stretching the truth to say that listening to the fans formed part of that agenda, I reckon. |
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 22, 2018 22:00:14 GMT
The bad results aren't down to Coates, Scholes or Cartwright. They're down to a bad starting 11, bad choice of subs, bad tactics and what looks to be bad man management. Come on......they're appointing managers and running the club. The buck stops with them. |
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 22, 2018 22:09:04 GMT
First job tomorrow sack Scholes and Cartwright then we build. I've just typed a long reply to your post then deleted it. Why waste my time talking about them two bastards (coates too,to a degree). |
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 22, 2018 22:41:39 GMT
If you next look 👀 at subjects on this forum at the top you will see ( CANCER SUCKS ) it’s a locked subject .
Well cancer does suck because I’m afraid to notify you all our dear club STOKE CITY has a cancer which has gone undiagnosed for over two years, it’s now rapidly spreading and without immediate action it could prove fatal !
I know the above might offend people but it’s the best way that I can describe the unorganised chaos that is Stoke City , there’s a power struggle going on at Stoke and I think it starts right at the top with Peter.Coates of the old gaurd who can’t relinquish his crown to the young pretender John Coates . Hidden beneath Peters cloak of protection you have his trusted sidekicks Scholes & Cartwright who will stop at nothing to protect their positions.
And then we have young John who between the lines was the major player in Rowetts appointment remember that photo of Rowetts unveiling, We had John but no Peter we then have a concerted effort to undermine Rowetts managerial position at every turn :- Players given new contracts without managers approval, player 99% signed also without approval, managers most wanted list in transfers went from plan A,B & C.
This is all just conjecture of course, but there is something festering away at Stoke and its not just on the pitch !, the patient is critically ill but it’s not terminal YET .
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 22, 2018 23:25:14 GMT
I think you’ll find that everything on here is bullshit!! Social media rumourmongering.
Nothing to see here
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 22, 2018 23:30:53 GMT
The bad results aren't down to Coates, Scholes or Cartwright. They're down to a bad starting 11, bad choice of subs, bad tactics and what looks to be bad man management. Who appoints the manager? It's a collective shit show from top to bottom. Fucking hell. I find myself agreeing with you |
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Post by march4 on Aug 22, 2018 23:34:36 GMT
Coates listened to the fans and appointed Rowett. He didn’t listen to me. Had he gone with my choice we would be sitting equal top of the league. |
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 22, 2018 23:52:58 GMT
Am not sure what owners like Coates care about. To be big in the betting game, there needs to be a streak of utter ruthlessness. There are 2m addicted or at risk of gambling addictions in the UK - over 400k having a serious issue. Not displacing responsibility, but you've got to know you are making money out of others' misfortune, boredom and hopelessness at times. The industry were asked to donate 0.1% of their 14bn annual profits by the 'Responsible Gambling Strategy Board', towards addiction treatments, but fell short. The Coates have been a key figure for Stoke. Not sure they can be described as "people persons" though. Not sure they'd listen to fans or staff even..... Found this interesting - its employee reviews of what its like to work at Bet365 - www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Bet365-Reviews-E385984.htmOne comment:- "To be honest there isn’t much point saying anything, as the problem is the company culture itself and this won’t change. My thoughts are the same as what has already been written on here hundreds of times. For upper management, learn to better recognise when you have good employees, and if you want to know what’s really happening at ground level actually speak to them directly instead of hiding behind meetings, " (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/12/bet365-chief-denise-coates-paid-217m-last-year) |
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Post by kustokie on Aug 23, 2018 0:38:17 GMT
I still can't understand how Coates, a supposedly shrewd businessman, can't see that these two inept cunts are two of the biggest liabilities at the club. Has he lost his marbles and the family is keeping it quiet? There has to be some reason why these two are still employed. The skills necessary to succeed in one business are not necessarily transferable to another. Peter Coates ran a catering business and a couple of small betting shops. He loaned his kids the cash to start an on-line gambling business. They made a fortune and returned the favour by giving him pocket money to run a football club, as a hobby. He is too soft to make the tough decisions to be successful in any business. Not firing Hughes when it was obvious he had lost the plot is a perfect example, and now he is dithering over firing Scholes and Cartwright. Unfortunately, the transfer window has closed and the window of opportunity has closed as well. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 23, 2018 0:41:31 GMT
If these pair of bumbling wankers managed to somehow burn the stadium down they’d still be in a job. They should have gone years ago, at any other club relegation would have seen the end of them, not here though, we do things differently, and a lot more incompetently. Agreed. Not sure there are many/any £100+ million businesses in the country that would stick with an MD after 3 years of total failure. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 1:04:24 GMT
Coates listened to the fans and appointed Rowett. He didn’t listen to me. Had he gone with my choice we would be sitting equal top of the league. I know you post in jest and I absolutely detested Pulis in the end but I'm sure he'd sort this shower of shit out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 1:26:16 GMT
12 CM on our books and we persist with a 34 year old Darren Fletcher to run our midfield and we are looking at 2 more We've failed to sign a left back to A)replace Pieter or B) Challenge pieters in the last 6 windows where we have desperately needed to We have signed a RB and the manager doesn't want him but he's not been allowed to bring in one of his men We need another striking option other than the 2 similar players we have currently We now only have 1 CB to choose from for the next game because we haven't strengthened in an area where we need to We have conceded the most goals last year, obviously we need to look at the back 4 and for people to say we don't need to look at our recruitment strategy and the ones who bring the players in is absolutely laughable Sorry but our recruitment strategy is not wrong but our tactical approach is extremely naive, and it wouldnt matter if we brought in another 10 CMs, 5CBs etc if we don't have a tactical shape and system that the players understand, and which help them perform to their strengths. I very much doubt that Rowett sends players out with anything other than, go on lads. |
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Post by knowingeye on Aug 23, 2018 7:50:09 GMT
If these pair of bumbling wankers managed to somehow burn the stadium down they’d still be in a job. They should have gone years ago, at any other club relegation would have seen the end of them, not here though, we do things differently, and a lot more incompetently. Agreed. Not sure there are many/any £100+ million businesses in the country that would stick with an MD after 3 years of total failure. City of London, major PLCs are but a few where mediocrity is welcomed at some and positively encouraged at others. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 23, 2018 7:54:51 GMT
Some thick fuckers on here. If any manager takes a job at a club and doesn’t have a say on signings then more fool them. Can you imagine Pulis letting anybody sign players he didn’t want. We have seen far worse times than this , we need to rebuild and stick together, now we will see who the proper fans are. Mark Hughes is the man I hold responsible for 2 years of shite so let’s not throw the baby out with the bath wayter ! Yeh but who allowed Hughes to carry on until it was too late when it was blatently obvious that he needed to go - I'll give you a clue - fuss about the don't what is know all |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 7:57:55 GMT
Why would Coates get rid of two wankers who are taking the heat off him?
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 23, 2018 8:03:54 GMT
It’s time Peter passed the baton on , I’ve heard more on his opinion of Brexit this season than his plans for Stoke City ! Does he want his legacy to read ( the man who went from zero to hero then back to zero) ?,
COATES WHATS THE STORY, NO GLORY !
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 23, 2018 8:07:56 GMT
I still can't understand how Coates, a supposedly shrewd businessman, can't see that these two inept cunts are two of the biggest liabilities at the club. Has he lost his marbles and the family is keeping it quiet? There has to be some reason why these two are still employed. The skills necessary to succeed in one business are not necessarily transferable to another. Peter Coates ran a catering business and a couple of small betting shops. He loaned his kids the cash to start an on-line gambling business. They made a fortune and returned the favour by giving him pocket money to run a football club, as a hobby. He is too soft to make the tough decisions to be successful in any business. Not firing Hughes when it was obvious he had lost the plot is a perfect example, and now he is dithering over firing Scholes and Cartwright. Unfortunately, the transfer window has closed and the window of opportunity has closed as well. Dead true - and more to the point, the skills of a small business owner are often about making money / selling. Stoke need culture change, top to bottom Much is said that the attributes that get small business owners off the ground (pig-headed determination, instinct to sell, single mindedness) are the same ones that stop the business growing, or are even its downfall when conditions get challenging. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 8:38:59 GMT
Like Mark Hughes was last August, they are long past their sell-by date. Get them the fuck out of this club.
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Post by stokiebis on Aug 23, 2018 9:15:13 GMT
Some thick fuckers on here. If any manager takes a job at a club and doesn’t have a say on signings then more fool them. Can you imagine Pulis letting anybody sign players he didn’t want. We have seen far worse times than this , we need to rebuild and stick together, now we will see who the proper fans are. Mark Hughes is the man I hold responsible for 2 years of shite so let’s not throw the baby out with the bath wayter ! Hughes responsible may b a little as he lost the plot the last season. But how much of that is down to Cartwright scholes look at the signings now who signed badou with no manager that should tell u something of the transfer dealings of the club .they chased McLean for over a month n we all knew that he was toss along with his scum ways n views. Coates posted a letter saying we have learned lessons n going spend 50mill(5 years too late) u have done neither n still can't see Cartwright scholes r fucking toss at there job .I'd love someone like Robert Kraft run us once he invests in a club he runs it as a club n not a business |
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Post by bangorstokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:11:16 GMT
I keep on saying it, the man responsible for our demise is Peter Coates. He's the man who hires and fires so the buck stops with him. The bloke is living in a time warp. Football has changed from the 60s and 70s. To succeed in this cut throat business you have to ambition and the balls to carry it through. Sadly Coates doesn't have either. For the past couple of seasons it's been the cheap option. Is it time for him to go? Yes I think it is and before all the happy clappers come up with "Look what he's done for the club" something we've heard time and time again, no one is disputing that but you can't live in the past. You have to keep moving forwards with ambition and intent. None of which has been shown by the chairman in recent times. We had a golden opportunity to become a well established PL club but unfortunately the opportunity was lost because of the failure to recruit the right people to do the job. If things carry on the way they are doing, there's only one way I can see us heading and that is deeper and deeper into oblivion.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2018 10:20:24 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 10:44:23 GMT
I still can't understand how Coates, a supposedly shrewd businessman, can't see that these two inept cunts are two of the biggest liabilities at the club. Has he lost his marbles and the family is keeping it quiet? There has to be some reason why these two are still employed. The skills necessary to succeed in one business are not necessarily transferable to another. Peter Coates ran a catering business and a couple of small betting shops. He loaned his kids the cash to start an on-line gambling business. They made a fortune and returned the favour by giving him pocket money to run a football club, as a hobby. He is too soft to make the tough decisions to be successful in any business. Not firing Hughes when it was obvious he had lost the plot is a perfect example, and now he is dithering over firing Scholes and Cartwright. Unfortunately, the transfer window has closed and the window of opportunity has closed as well. Dithering? Seriously? I think you are giving good old Peter far too much credit suggesting that it is even on his mind. Scholes and Cartwright could lay a shit over Denise Coates face today and somehow they'd still be laughing their tits off in the coffee room next Monday over a latte. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 10:50:54 GMT
Available Sporting DirectorsSteve Walsh still avalable. As is Robert Fernandez from Barca, we might be able to entice him with some kind of oatcake related deal?
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Post by Northy on Aug 23, 2018 10:53:17 GMT
First job tomorrow sack Scholes and Cartwright then we build. Sack them after the window shuts, we need to get somebody in, we know they are useless but not having them in until the end of August when we have the chance of getting loans in would be a clusterfuck thing to do. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 23, 2018 10:55:57 GMT
I see Denis Wise is on that list. Let's get the shithouse dwarf in and start signing a bunch of absolute shithouses to shithouse our way out of this shithouse situation. (shithouse) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 10:58:48 GMT
I see Denis Wise is on that list. Let's get the shithouse dwarf in and start signing a bunch of absolute shithouses to shithouse our way out of this shithouse situation. (shithouse) As long as he brings Joe Kinnear with him for comedy value..... |
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 23, 2018 11:04:37 GMT
like it or not coates as payed out 18 million pound on at least 2 of rowett signings regardless of what anyone says. it does not matter how much he as got back in transfer fees of shaqiri and others is trouble is he is to loyal to people scholes and cartwright want fucking off so does rowett . oh I forgot the 6 million on clucus. these are worse players than diouf Cameron. imbula. and indiyi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 11:06:57 GMT
Ayup pete......can we use the women's team next season ....they seem to have a better team spirit, and bigger bollocks for a fight than these fucking pampered has beens
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 23, 2018 12:04:16 GMT
I'm coming around to the prospect of alternate ownership after years of believing that local = best - indeed, although Coates was lurking it took the Icelandic consortium to haul us out of the third tier - maybe time for Bet365 to fuck off and we look for other more professional, hard nosed business types - as rich as they are the Coates mob, like Caudwell just happened to be right place right time to make a fortune as much by luck as judgement (and nowt wrong with that) - doesn't mean they know best and that you can be too wrapped up emotionally with a business to see what others can blatantly see needs to be done I agree, but there will be the city of Stoke on Trent mentality saying...be careful what you wish for, don’t bite the head that feeds, look at what they’ve done, who else will save us, we should be grateful etc etc etc. Small minded attitude and we are going down without a fight and making it easy for the owners to be completely unaccountable. They don’t care about the fans and yet the owners are held in such high esteem. The club is nothing but a money making machine for them and don’t be fooled into some warm,sentimental thoughts otherwise. the books in the last few years have been pretty inconclusive so I'm not sure about being a money making machine but even so, we're about back to where the Icelanders took us. The key message is that big change is needed. A sacking of Scholes/Cartwright or both, at this stage is just appeasement of the fans. Not a genuine attempt to right wrongs. |
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 12:09:45 GMT
I still can't understand how Coates, a supposedly shrewd businessman, can't see that these two inept cunts are two of the biggest liabilities at the club. Has he lost his marbles and the family is keeping it quiet? There has to be some reason why these two are still employed. Shrewd businessman who knows nothing about football. He may be making a hash of it at present but presumably we must have got promoted and spent 10 years in the Premier League while he was away on holiday! |
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