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Post by teenagefanclub on Aug 20, 2018 9:28:01 GMT
Got 2 dogs, a springer (good as gold), and a cavalier king Charles (1 year old and an absolute twat).
Perfect dog in the house and soft as anything, until we go out then it barks at other dogs, children, adults, basically anything (it also sounds savage when it does).
Tried giving treats for good behaviour, a collar that vibrates when she barks.
Nothing works, and it's getting to the point where we can't take her out anymore.
Other than a shovel and a hole anyone got any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 9:34:23 GMT
Tony Robinson and his Time Team people are the folks to talk to.
The Abbey dates back to the 7th Century, so there is plenty to explore there.
Good luck...
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Post by felonious on Aug 20, 2018 12:29:35 GMT
Have you thought about dog training classes? They used to have one up at Longton Rugby club by the Brit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 14:33:32 GMT
Have you thought about dog training classes? They used to have one up at Longton Rugby club by the Brit. Took my dog to a training class near Alsager. First two lessons were chaos and I was asked to keep him on the lead for week three. It was during week three I found myself standing alone with my dog while the other ten owners and their dogs played in a happy little group together about 50 yards away from me. By week six it was clear we weren’t welcome. When you get out of the car and everyone else stares at you before gathering their dogs together and walking away you kind of get the message. Not sure if it was me or my dog they disliked 😂😂 |
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Post by dexta on Aug 20, 2018 14:59:24 GMT
Have you thought about dog training classes? They used to have one up at Longton Rugby club by the Brit. Took my dog to a training class near Alsager. First two lessons were chaos and I was asked to keep him on the lead for week three. It was during week three I found myself standing alone with my dog while the other ten owners and their dogs played in a happy little group together about 50 yards away from me. By week six it was clear we weren’t welcome. When you get out of the car and everyone else stares at you before gathering their dogs together and walking away you kind of get the message. Not sure if it was me or my dog they disliked 😂😂 what kind off dog you got |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 14:59:39 GMT
Give this bloke a watch - I think he's brilliant
theres loads of full episodes on youtube
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 20, 2018 17:20:26 GMT
Got 2 dogs, a springer (good as gold), and a cavalier king Charles (1 year old and an absolute twat). Perfect dog in the house and soft as anything, until we go out then it barks at other dogs, children, adults, basically anything (it also sounds savage when it does). Tried giving treats for good behaviour, a collar that vibrates when she barks. Nothing works, and it's getting to the point where we can't take her out anymore. Other than a shovel and a hole anyone got any ideas? Rub it's nose with a hot chilli.it can't bark while licking it face. I do it when my lady snores. Don't know why, her snoring doesn't stop and I'm up for an hour licking my nose. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 18:24:28 GMT
Took my dog to a training class near Alsager. First two lessons were chaos and I was asked to keep him on the lead for week three. It was during week three I found myself standing alone with my dog while the other ten owners and their dogs played in a happy little group together about 50 yards away from me. By week six it was clear we weren’t welcome. When you get out of the car and everyone else stares at you before gathering their dogs together and walking away you kind of get the message. Not sure if it was me or my dog they disliked 😂😂 what kind off dog you got He’s a collie who we rescued from a bad home when he was one. After having him for a year or so he suddenly decided he needed to rip the throat out of every dog he saw. Great with kids and people, just other dogs. As a last resort we had his bits whipped off at the vets. It then took a year or so for all that aggressiveness to leave his system but he was a much calmer and friendly dog afterwards. He’s 13 now and can’t be bothered with all the mither of other dogs, he just mooches about on his own. Turned out to be a wonderful dog 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 19:48:03 GMT
Never let him walk in front of you, it's like asking him to go on point. Equally never let a male Dog sit above you that's submission. I've heard giving a dog a job to do on a walk like carrying a water bottle can calm them. (not tried it myself)
Does he bark when he's not with the other dog as it seems with my two only one of them barks when they are together. Mine go at every other dog, cat, mouse, squirrel, bird, elephant and kangaroo we see on a walk.
If they are together reward the quiet, passive one first
Never Never NEVER give treats to try and shut him up that's rewarding the unwanted behaviour.
Never shout at him always use a calm voice, shouting only gets them excited.
Lastly if you find anything that works, tell me as one of mine spends half the day barking at pigeons and magpies which I assume he thinks are a deadly threat especially as he bites their heads off.
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Post by redstriper on Aug 20, 2018 20:27:12 GMT
We have a similar problem with one of ours - the wife has bought a small can of compressed air from pets at home for an exorbitant amount. The idea is when they bark you press it whilst they cant see it. the hissing sound - they don't like it and don't know where it comes from - they then learn to keep quiet. The juries out. I'm either £7 down or its genius. If it doesn't work on the dog I'll see if it works on her, now that would be a bonus  |
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Post by Northy on Aug 20, 2018 20:44:08 GMT
Agree with Cesar Milan, he's a genius, so many people shouldn't be keeping dogs.
I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained.
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Post by samba :) on Aug 20, 2018 22:35:09 GMT
I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained. definitely, instead of banning dangerous breeds we should prevent dangerous owners |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 22:57:58 GMT
Agree with Cesar Milan, he's a genius, so many people shouldn't be keeping dogs. I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained. It's the owners that need to be trained Had a dog all my life should always be kept on a lead and licenced with a registered owners certificate that goes with the dog if its moved like a cars log book. Some dogs are easy to train my Labby for example was just so laid back, he was no bother at all. |
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Post by entropy92 on Aug 21, 2018 11:05:25 GMT
Unfortunately u cant train all dogs. Ive had a lot over the years,mainly rottys, who were great. At the moment ive got one who had big problems with her legs from birth, her tendon snapped very early so we had to keep her in her room while she recovered from surgery for a long time and therefore she has never socialised with anyone or anything. 3 years later because of her jumping up at any sound outside of the house, nevermind coming accross new people or dogs, her leg has gone again. She can barely walk on it and we are considering putting her down. I feel so bad about it because shes full of life but ive spent 3 years nursing her now where ive sacrificed a lot of holidays, nights out, friends coming around etc. I feel like enoughs enough because its obviously not going to get better.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 21, 2018 11:23:35 GMT
We had a collie years ago that barked when in the garden but nowhere else. We bought a anti barking dog collar that contained a citrus spray that was activated by the barking. It worked for a while but he realised that the liquid would run out and the more he barked the quicker this happened. He calmed down at home when we built him his own outdoor cage and kennel that became his haven.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 21, 2018 12:02:38 GMT
Never let him walk in front of you, it's like asking him to go on point. Equally never let a male Dog sit above you that's submission. I've heard giving a dog a job to do on a walk like carrying a water bottle can calm them. (not tried it myself) Does he bark when he's not with the other dog as it seems with my two only one of them barks when they are together. Mine go at every other dog, cat, mouse, squirrel, bird, elephant and kangaroo we see on a walk. If they are together reward the quiet, passive one first Never Never NEVER give treats to try and shut him up that's rewarding the unwanted behaviour. Never shout at him always use a calm voice, shouting only gets them excited. Lastly if you find anything that works, tell me as one of mine spends half the day barking at pigeons and magpies which I assume he thinks are a deadly threat especially as he bites their heads off. Tried giving mine a job to do when out walking. Robbing Ratners wasn’t as easy as I thought it would be as his mask fell off when he bit the manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 17:32:08 GMT
Never let him walk in front of you, it's like asking him to go on point. Equally never let a male Dog sit above you that's submission. I've heard giving a dog a job to do on a walk like carrying a water bottle can calm them. (not tried it myself) Does he bark when he's not with the other dog as it seems with my two only one of them barks when they are together. Mine go at every other dog, cat, mouse, squirrel, bird, elephant and kangaroo we see on a walk. If they are together reward the quiet, passive one first Never Never NEVER give treats to try and shut him up that's rewarding the unwanted behaviour. Never shout at him always use a calm voice, shouting only gets them excited. Lastly if you find anything that works, tell me as one of mine spends half the day barking at pigeons and magpies which I assume he thinks are a deadly threat especially as he bites their heads off. Tried giving mine a job to do when out walking. Robbing Ratners wasn’t as easy as I thought it would be as his mask fell off when he bit the manager. |
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Post by teenagefanclub on Aug 22, 2018 9:46:34 GMT
So....
The in-laws had her for a day. Took her to town and she didn't bark once.
As soon as she came back we took her for a walk and she started barking again.
Is she trying to protect us? If so how can we stop this thought process or us she just fucking with our heads ??
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Post by tigger68 on Aug 22, 2018 11:12:28 GMT
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Post by musik on Aug 22, 2018 11:43:09 GMT
It's easy.
Let them know who decides.
From the very beginning.
Talk to them often - face to face.
Never let them pull. Be one step ahead of them, when walking them.
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Post by MooG on Aug 24, 2018 2:31:53 GMT
Might be worth a try going for a walk with the in-laws to see if they do anything different to you - but dogs can be irritatingly specific at times.
Our dog used to bark when I left him tied up outside shops. To try and fix it I found a field where I could tie him to an electricity pylon and leave him to bark without disturbing anybody else. The idea being that when he barked I'd go further away and when he stopped I'd come back. Took a while but worked a treat in the end - or so I thought. Turned out he'd just learnt not to bark when tied to a pylon in a field; any other object or any other location and he was as bad as ever. Luckily he grew out of it in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 2:59:54 GMT
So.... The in-laws had her for a day. Took her to town and she didn't bark once. As soon as she came back we took her for a walk and she started barking again. Is she trying to protect us? If so how can we stop this thought process or us she just fucking with our heads ?? Could well be guarding... I'm no expert, but what I've understood from similar situations watching Cesar, He tests pooches this way to see who the problem lies with, the dog or the owners. I think the day-experiment with the in-laws shows that the problem isn't with the dog. According to Cesar, dogs guard when they feel the need to protect the owners, which means maybe you aren't being dominant enough, or/and they see you as weak and they ramp up the aggression to protect you. There've been some solid suggestions on this thread already, most of which if you committed to, I have a haunch would solve the issues (such as - don't let the dog walk out of the door/gate etc in front of you, make sure the dog is calm and submissive before opening the door at all, not letting the dog sit above you etc.) Do yourself a favour, watch Cesar and save yourself the arse-ache and money on a dog Psych. Good luck with it! |
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Post by teenagefanclub on Aug 24, 2018 9:47:21 GMT
So.... The in-laws had her for a day. Took her to town and she didn't bark once. As soon as she came back we took her for a walk and she started barking again. Is she trying to protect us? If so how can we stop this thought process or us she just fucking with our heads ?? Could well be guarding... I'm no expert, but what I've understood from similar situations watching Cesar, He tests pooches this way to see who the problem lies with, the dog or the owners. I think the day-experiment with the in-laws shows that the problem isn't with the dog. According to Cesar, dogs guard when they feel the need to protect the owners, which means maybe you aren't being dominant enough, or/and they see you as weak and they ramp up the aggression to protect you. There've been some solid suggestions on this thread already, most of which if you committed to, I have a haunch would solve the issues (such as - don't let the dog walk out of the door/gate etc in front of you, make sure the dog is calm and submissive before opening the door at all, not letting the dog sit above you etc.) Do yourself a favour, watch Cesar and save yourself the arse-ache and money on a dog Psych. Good luck with it! Cheers I'll keep you all informed |
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Post by pearo on Aug 24, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
Agree with Cesar Milan, he's a genius, so many people shouldn't be keeping dogs. I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained. My Westie can juggle whilst riding a unicycle but it eventually got bored with training |
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Post by wapiti on Aug 26, 2018 13:27:30 GMT
First thing is to establish dominance. As a general rule, do not let it walk in front of you (or be above, as mentioned). If a large dog, use a very short lead (approx. 18 inches)so it can only walk at your side. If it tries to walk in front or pull on the lead, correct it immediately, even if your walk only covers a short distance.
Here is a method to establish dominance, walk the dog on a longer lead or rope (6 feet)……..just let the dog walk ahead of you and do what it wants to do (only do when first training). You are looking for a pole, lamp post, etc. When you spot one with plenty of clearance all around it, walk directly to it, keeping yourself on one side, even cutting off the angle so the dog gets hung up on the wrong side (it's always the wrong side when he isn't on your side). Keep pressure on the lead.....he will quickly realize that there is a problem.....he will also not want to back up. Your task is to now drag his non-attention paying arse over to the correct side of the pole. The dog will hate this process and resist but will learn that there are risks attached to not paying attention to the master. It is a rare dog that will not learn this lesson and remember it after three attempts......such a dog is probably too stupid to be trained...….I've only met one. Another thing to work on is to limit the number of times and places the dog gets to stop and sniff whilst deciding to relieve itself. You are taking it for a walk, so you decide when it gets to stop walking and use the loo. You should always use a command such as "Hurry Up!" when you have a found a place for it to relieve itself. This further establishes dominance and it is what your dog is actually looking for and needing. I trained a female Rotty with the above two lessons and didn't need to do much else. She would walk right on my heel without a lease, wouldn't even look at barking dogs in yards that we passed, would squat and piss (or fake it) 30 times in a row if I said "Hurry Up!" 30 times, if told to sit, she would sit as I walked away and around the next corner out of sight and only come running at a full gallop when I whistled for her to follow. My impression was that a reasonably intelligent dog will learn all it needs to know (as a pet) after a few firm lessons and will come to understand and do what is required to keep you happy.
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Post by wapiti on Aug 26, 2018 13:29:54 GMT
Agree with Cesar Milan, he's a genius, so many people shouldn't be keeping dogs. I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained. My Westie can juggle whilst riding a unicycle but it eventually got bored with training Having taken care of one for neighbors on many occasions, I believe you. |
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Post by felonious on Aug 26, 2018 14:30:58 GMT
Agree with Cesar Milan, he's a genius, so many people shouldn't be keeping dogs. I think it should be law that all dogs should be trained. My Westie can juggle whilst riding a unicycle but it eventually got bored with training I still think that Northy should be trained to like dogs  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 26, 2018 18:28:40 GMT
Barking dog
Not sure I could put up with the winning south Essex accent
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