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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 18, 2018 20:33:00 GMT
Come on it's been said time and again, the manager has the final say! I think on transfers he does. As I said further up the thread Rob, I suspect it's a bit more nuanced than that. For example, he has admitted himself that by the time he had become manager, the Etebo signing was already significantly way down the line. Now I suppose if he really put his foot down he could have blocked it (if he had wanted to) but politically it would be very hard for a brand new manager to do that (same with the Bauer and Allen resignings).
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Post by questionable on Aug 18, 2018 20:35:48 GMT
Think the bond with Scholes/Fat Sweaty Bloke and Beswicks is the problem here, collectively we’ve got to get these tossers out if not Coates Out chants as he’s ultimately responsible
Coates Out
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 20:36:39 GMT
I think on transfers he does. As I said further up the thread Rob, I suspect it's a bit more nuanced than that. For example, he has admitted himself that by the time he had become manager, the Etebo signing was already significantly way down the line. Now I suppose if he really put his foot down he could have blocked it (if he had wanted to) but politically it would be very hard for a brand new manager to do that (same with the Bauer and Allen resignings). I agree mate - it’s a transfer team, so he’s going to get recommendations, as he should. I think politically as a manager the club had spent decent money to bring in however he’d have actually been in a very strong position to put his foot down if he’d wanted to.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 18, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
Is all this why we struggled to get a manager in January?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 21:04:17 GMT
As I said further up the thread Rob, I suspect it's a bit more nuanced than that. For example, he has admitted himself that by the time he had become manager, the Etebo signing was already significantly way down the line. Now I suppose if he really put his foot down he could have blocked it (if he had wanted to) but politically it would be very hard for a brand new manager to do that (same with the Bauer and Allen resignings). I agree mate - it’s a transfer team, so he’s going to get recommendations, as he should. I think politically as a manager the club had spent decent money to bring in however he’d have actually been in a very strong position to put his foot down if he’d wanted to. Politics. It's destroying our Club.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 21:10:14 GMT
I agree mate - it’s a transfer team, so he’s going to get recommendations, as he should. I think politically as a manager the club had spent decent money to bring in however he’d have actually been in a very strong position to put his foot down if he’d wanted to. Politics. It's destroying our Club. The pizza boys are clearly incompetent but they’re also a lightning rod conveniently shielding both the owners and the manager from any responsibility.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 21:17:00 GMT
Politics. It's destroying our Club. The pizza boys are clearly incompetent but they’re also a lightning rod conveniently shielding both the owners and the manager from any responsibility. Yes of course. My own feelings are that John Coates has put them into this cloak of impregnability. And you cannot argue with him. Politics being played out in a football Club that for a brief moment looked as if it was reaching for the stars.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 21:18:11 GMT
The pizza boys are clearly incompetent but they’re also a lightning rod conveniently shielding both the owners and the manager from any responsibility. Yes of course. My own feelings are that John Coates has put them into this cloak of impregnability. And you cannot argue with him. Politics being played out in football Club that for a brief moment looked as if it was reaching for the stars. I think Peter still calls the shots. A lot of this reflects his MO.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 18, 2018 21:18:55 GMT
I’ve tried to be a bit more positive tonight as we weren’t total wank but, looking at this bollocks again, I’ll be surprised if Rowett sees the season out.
Enough of this jobs for the boys stuff. Sort it fucking out.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 21:20:21 GMT
Yes of course. My own feelings are that John Coates has put them into this cloak of impregnability. And you cannot argue with him. Politics being played out in football Club that for a brief moment looked as if it was reaching for the stars. I think Peter still calls the shots. A lot of this reflects his MO. I disagree. Not that I'm in the know or anything ☺ I reckon young John's hands are firmly on the tiller.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2018 21:27:56 GMT
If what he said is accurate then something really needs to be done, I await his evidence which will surely get the ball rolling.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 21:34:52 GMT
I think Peter still calls the shots. A lot of this reflects his MO. I disagree. Not that I'm in the know or anything ☺ I reckon young John's hands are firmly on the tiller. Based on what, out of interest?
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Post by march4 on Aug 18, 2018 21:38:48 GMT
Think the bond with Scholes/Fat Sweaty Bloke and Beswicks is the problem here, collectively we’ve got to get these tossers out if not Coates Out chants as he’s ultimately responsible Coates Out Surely 'Scholes out, Cartwright out' chants should come first. I'm amazed it hasn't already started if I'm honest.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 18, 2018 21:44:50 GMT
Well given his comments are now in the public domain it will be interesting to see how the hierarchy respond .
1 public denial , 2 ignore it , 3 Pursue legal recourse if it’s incorrect l , certainly you’d expect the media to request a view on the comments
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2018 21:46:09 GMT
Why has Rowett got such a downer on Bauer and it would seem Choupo too?
His alternatives seem much worse.
I find this story altogether more concerning from a Rowett point of view than anything else.
Someone needs to save poor old Gazza from himself.
Talk of Rowett 'walkin' is surely nonsense. He wouldn't get another, secure in football terms, job so close to home paying this kind of salary in a million years.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 21:46:32 GMT
I disagree. Not that I'm in the know or anything ☺ I reckon young John's hands are firmly on the tiller. Based on what, out of interest? Based on rumours and tittle tattle I hear from people I know at mid management level at Bet365. As I said.. I'm not a ITKer but from what I can see and feel Coates Senior is having less and less influence on proceedings.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 21:48:22 GMT
Based on what, out of interest? Based on rumours and tittle tattle I hear from people I know at mid management level at Bet365. As I said.. I'm not a ITKer but from what I can see and feel Coates Senior is having less and less influence on proceedings. Interesting. Prudence and appointing a manager like Rowett seem overtly Pete to me.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 18, 2018 21:50:49 GMT
It all has a degree of credibility about it with the type of signings we’ve made. Coates has had his moment in the sun and does not have the appetite to get us back up. He is reverting to type and the incompetence of Scholes and fat boy shields him from this. Soon fans will be resigned to floating between the Championship and League One with expectations only ever managed downwards. That’s ok though because Stoke fans will take this shit all day long without a grumble.....remember, it’s a scary world if you aspire to better and we must keep praying to the sun god Coates.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 18, 2018 21:51:32 GMT
John Percy said a few times it was John who "drove" the Rowett appointment.
The Pizza Boys do seem untouchable though, so they're clearly liked by the right people
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 21:56:13 GMT
Based on rumours and tittle tattle I hear from people I know at mid management level at Bet365. As I said.. I'm not a ITKer but from what I can see and feel Coates Senior is having less and less influence on proceedings. Interesting. Prudence and appointing a manager like Rowett seem overtly Pete to me. You were discussing the influence and lack of blame on the CEO and the DOF not the appointment of the Gary Rowett. Son and Father have been known to play political games in business. Perhaps Junior had his fingers burnt in the Continental fiasco.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:58:08 GMT
John Percy said a few times it was John who "drove" the Rowett appointment. The Pizza Boys do seem untouchable though, so they're clearly liked by the right people ...and the unveiling photos had Scholes and John, with no Peter in sight.
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Post by rawli on Aug 18, 2018 21:58:11 GMT
John Percy said a few times it was John who "drove" the Rowett appointment. The Pizza Boys do seem untouchable though, so they're clearly liked by the right people On what basis are they liked though? It's not like they can say 'look at our record ' is it? They do feel like a pair of rogue traders mugging off a vulnerable pensioner.
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Post by pistol on Aug 18, 2018 21:58:54 GMT
Wait til the end of the loan window and if we still haven't got rid of the deadwood and brought anyone in that will add to the squad then it's time for some 'TIMES'S UP' posters aimed at Scholes and Cartwright.
I'm sick of them deflecting attention by bringing in safe signings in positions that we don't really need. Where are the leaders we are lacking, where is the god damn striker, where is the defensive midfielder.
They only seem able to sign players from Beswick's and it stinks.
TIME'S UP
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Post by mattface on Aug 18, 2018 22:01:50 GMT
And if we had won all three games would they be saying the same...
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 18, 2018 22:03:28 GMT
If Clarke does know GR well, we’ll enough (we must consider) for GR to unload these truths to him, then it is fair to posit that GR knew Clive would relay this to us supporters. Perhaps he even implied that is what should happen.
Otherwise, if GR didn’t want this outing then Clarkey can forget being on the Christmas card list!
Maybe this is a way that GR wants us to know the score but also perhaps he wants things to change!
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Post by starkiller on Aug 18, 2018 22:04:48 GMT
As I've said before, it's no mystery why we struggled to get a manager last season.
It's the fucking transfer policy, stupid.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2018 22:05:11 GMT
Wait til the end of the loan window and if we still haven't got rid of the deadwood and brought anyone in that will add to the squad then it's time for some 'TIMES'S UP' posters aimed at Scholes and Cartwright. I'm sick of them deflecting attention by bringing in safe signings in positions that we don't really need. Where are the leaders we are lacking, where is the god damn striker, where is the defensive midfielder. They only seem able to sign players from Beswick's and it stinks. TIME'S UP Clucas will probably turn out to be the DM
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 22:06:20 GMT
Interesting. Prudence and appointing a manager like Rowett seem overtly Pete to me. You were discussing the influence and lack of blame on the CEO and the DOF not the appointment of the Gary Rowett. Son and Father have been known to play political games in business. Perhaps Junior had his fingers burnt in the Continental fiasco. Was I? That’s good to know. I thought we were discussing who had their hand on the wheel? I never said there was a lack of blame on the transfer team. Just that the blame might be spread around a bit rather than focused in one place.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 18, 2018 22:09:31 GMT
You were discussing the influence and lack of blame on the CEO and the DOF not the appointment of the Gary Rowett. Son and Father have been known to play political games in business. Perhaps Junior had his fingers burnt in the Continental fiasco. Was I? That’s good to know. I thought we were discussing who had their hand on the wheel? I never said there was a lack of blame on the transfer team. Just that the blame might be spread around a bit rather than focused in one place. Eh..? You were talking about them being a "lightning rod" weren't you.?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 18, 2018 22:11:13 GMT
It's quite clear that there is a power struggle going on between the manager and Scholes. It happened with the previous 2 managers as well.
We're rotten to the core.
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