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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 18, 2018 8:11:14 GMT
I struggle to see why we have to play Fletcher when Sørensen really should be a better option. I must say Fletcher hasn't been the worst of the midfield bunch so far, but Sørensen did very well at Swansea last season. He is young, promising, has a lot of energy and determination as well. Maybe we already have the answer to our midfield problems in our ranks, but he needs to be given time on the pitch to prove he is capable of this. What is there to lose?  |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 18, 2018 8:13:02 GMT
I'd like to see Sorenson, I think he's playing Fletcher for his experience during these early fixtures
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Aug 18, 2018 8:17:36 GMT
I struggle to see why we have to play Fletcher when Sørensen really should be a better option. I must say Fletcher hasn't been the worst of the midfield bunch so far, but Sørensen did very well at Swansea last season. He is young, promising, has a lot of energy and determination as well. Maybe we already have the answer to our midfield problems in our ranks, but he needs to be given time on the pitch to prove he is capable of this. What is there to lose? This. He played well against Swansea, seems to be neat and tidy on the ball, we are crying out for a defensive midfielder......wait there, hes under 25..... that's the issue. |
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 18, 2018 8:20:11 GMT
You'd think he'd at least make the bench now Badou is apparently out of the picture. Our bench last week was so unbalanced, 3 strikers and only one MF.
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Post by musik on Aug 18, 2018 8:21:15 GMT
Yes, Sörensen instead of McCleyn on the left wing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 18, 2018 8:34:13 GMT
Yes, Sörensen instead of McCleyn on the left wing. I really don't see Sørensen as a winger Musik, but I agree McClean deserves to lose his place after that performance. Choupo every day for me if he is willing to do the job.  |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 18, 2018 8:35:20 GMT
Right now I'd prefer to see Sorensen rather than any other midfielder we have on the books, on the basis of his one performance, and years of fucking shambolic midfield horseshit since Joe Allen started playing.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 18, 2018 8:36:39 GMT
Yes, Sörensen instead of McCleyn on the left wing. I really don't see Sørensen as a winger Musik, but I agree McClean deserves to lose his place after that performance. Choupo every day for me if he is willing to do the job. We have another manager who follows a policy of excommunicating fancy foreign players Rob so choupo will be picking up his huge salary and we'll be happy not getting anything out of him |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 18, 2018 8:51:47 GMT
I really don't see Sørensen as a winger Musik, but I agree McClean deserves to lose his place after that performance. Choupo every day for me if he is willing to do the job. We have another manager who follows a policy of excommunicating fancy foreign players Rob so choupo will be picking up his huge salary and we'll be happy not getting anything out of him A pity if we can't sell Choupo for at least £8M nor play him!  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 18, 2018 9:09:55 GMT
The most important thing he has over Fletcher is he can run.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 18, 2018 9:10:38 GMT
Get Choupo in the match day squad.
He’ll be motivated if he wants out.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 18, 2018 9:32:02 GMT
Sense Rowett is standing his ground with Choupo. Feels like a statement to those above....
"We agreed that you'd do your part and shift these players on to create spaces for me to get new ones in.... now go do it."
(Its highly subjective, I know, but i think in Jan I posted that I'd like to see 12+ leave Stoke this summer (assuming we were going down), for different reasons. Some weren't fit or past it, some not good enough or ineffectual, and some had value we'd need to recoup to build a new team. The longer we've left it the harder it feels to shift them, Shaq apart.)
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2018 9:44:17 GMT
I really don't see Sørensen as a winger Musik, but I agree McClean deserves to lose his place after that performance. Choupo every day for me if he is willing to do the job. We have another manager who follows a policy of excommunicating fancy foreign players Rob so choupo will be picking up his huge salary and we'll be happy not getting anything out of him It is a bit weird I agree. Rowett seems to have set about falling out with the flashier players with all the gusto that Lambert did and more. I actually think that was Lambert's biggest mistake. All the energy he invested in to falling out with the playing staff might instead have gone in to getting everyone pulling in one direction. Recriminations, if needed, could have waited for the summer. HoHum. He must start delivering some wins now. I know we'll have a couple of matches in hand but we may be 9 points behind TP's Middlesborough at 5pm tonight. We can't afford for that gap to get any larger or it will start to look insurmountable. It goes without saying but we need to garner some 3 point hauls quick smart starting today at Preston. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 9:49:07 GMT
I'd rather see Thomas Sorensen in midfield than Fletcher 😬
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 18, 2018 9:53:59 GMT
We have another manager who follows a policy of excommunicating fancy foreign players Rob so choupo will be picking up his huge salary and we'll be happy not getting anything out of him It is a bit weird I agree. Rowett seems to have set about falling out with the flashier players with all the gusto that Lambert did and more. I actually think that was Lambert's biggest mistake. All the energy he invested in to falling out with the playing staff might instead have gone in to getting everyone pulling in one direction. Recriminations, if needed, could have waited for the summer. HoHum. He must start delivering some wins now. I know we'll have a couple of matches in hand but we may be 9 points behind TP's Middlesborough at 5pm tonight. We can't afford for that gap to get any larger or it will start to look insurmountable. It goes without saying but we need to garner some 3 point hauls quick smart starting today at Preston. Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad |
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Post by reddipotter on Aug 18, 2018 10:23:20 GMT
It is a bit weird I agree. Rowett seems to have set about falling out with the flashier players with all the gusto that Lambert did and more. I actually think that was Lambert's biggest mistake. All the energy he invested in to falling out with the playing staff might instead have gone in to getting everyone pulling in one direction. Recriminations, if needed, could have waited for the summer. HoHum. He must start delivering some wins now. I know we'll have a couple of matches in hand but we may be 9 points behind TP's Middlesborough at 5pm tonight. We can't afford for that gap to get any larger or it will start to look insurmountable. It goes without saying but we need to garner some 3 point hauls quick smart starting today at Preston. Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 18, 2018 10:45:00 GMT
Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. I don't believe bojan will be in the first 11 much longer, I think he is giving him a chance because of pressure from fans and maybe higher up the club. He doesn't know what to do with him and we saw that already. He came on as a sub only, then hauled off early against brentford, which was a poor substitution. I like choupo, he doesn't track back, but I like players who create and score. I don't see the point in banishing players like that. It is ridiculous comparing him to bielsa. Bielsa is one of the best coaches in the world, revered by many in the game, a world class coach who has had a dramatic immediate impact on a previously average group at leeds. In comparison stoke look worse than they were last season. I hope Rowett finds his feet starting from today, so far he looks way out of his depth |
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2018 10:52:18 GMT
Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. Well if you were 'right about him' then fine, but it was only after he had produced the only 3 consecutive top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Don't forget everyone in life falls in the end, it doesn't matter if you are Van Gogh, Churchill or Clough. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 18, 2018 10:57:41 GMT
I hope GR starts finding his feet too.
So far , he looks , worse than lambert ,to me .
Lambert got the players fit and organized .Almost zero cutting edge in the final third , but fit and organized.
Under GR we look unfit and a shambles
If the ultra conservative lambert thinks sorensen is good enough to play in the prem, then there is no reason for GR to bottle playing him in the championship.
It is not as if ANYONE is playing well enough to keep him out of the side
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 18, 2018 11:11:07 GMT
Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. Well if you were 'right about him' then fine, but it was only after he had produced the only 3 consecutive top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Don't forget everyone in life falls in the end, it doesn't matter if you are Van Gogh, Churchill or Clough. Tbf the writing was on the wall for a long time with Hughes Yes , he did fine with the squad pulis left him ( huth ,nzonzi, Whelan ...all winners and all wanted by other clubs . But at look at who he replaced them with ( berahino , Jesse , imbula ...all players here ,purely for the money and with zero interest in the football , all unwanted by everyone else in football) A clear majority of people ( I would say over 90 percent) knew the game was up for Hughes after the last game of the season . Everything was wrong about the atmosphere during and after the match .A blind man could see he had eleven players out there , totally incapable of being any sort of threat to anyone in the prem .I was gobsmacked when he reappeared for another six months .Why ? I have no idea . |
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Post by thehoof on Aug 18, 2018 11:15:04 GMT
We have another manager who follows a policy of excommunicating fancy foreign players Rob so choupo will be picking up his huge salary and we'll be happy not getting anything out of him A pity if we can't sell Choupo for at least £8M nor play him! There’s a reason for that Rob. No external party think that he’s worth spending money on, and his attitude and performances don’t guarantee any improvement on our current level of crappyness. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 11:16:37 GMT
Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. No you weren’t. Things genuinely were good for a time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 11:24:18 GMT
Well if you were 'right about him' then fine, but it was only after he had produced the only 3 consecutive top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Don't forget everyone in life falls in the end, it doesn't matter if you are Van Gogh, Churchill or Clough. Tbf the writing was on the wall for a long time with Hughes Yes , he did fine with the squad pulis left him ( huth ,nzonzi, Whelan ...all winners and all wanted by other clubs . But at look at who he replaced them with ( berahino , Jesse , imbula ...all players here ,purely for the money and with zero interest in the football , all unwanted by everyone else in football) A clear majority of people ( I would say over 90 percent) knew the game was up for Hughes after the last game of the season . Everything was wrong about the atmosphere during and after the match .A blind man could see he had eleven players out there , totally incapable of being any sort of threat to anyone in the prem .I was gobsmacked when he reappeared for another six months .Why ? I have no idea . Unadulterated, full scale, unbearable bollocks. Tony Pulis left him with a team that had just fought a relegation battle and scraped through it. Mark Hughes took a sack of shite and made them look like Bayern Munich. The best parts of that team (Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnautovic) aside from N'Zonzi, were what made the team so great. The problem Hughes had in the end was he reverted to type. He tried to turn us into a Pulis team again, got scared of playing his best players and didn't know how to set up a team to defend, despite trying it every week. The only part Pulis had in Hughes' success was that TP got us into the prem and kept us there. The transformation from 2012/13 to 2015/16 was genuinely unbelievable, we were fucking brilliant and Hughes played a huge part. Calling time on him any time before January 2017 would've been daft and ridiculous tbh. The 'signs' are only there now you've seen what they blossomed into. I hate all this 'look, i was right' bollocks. I stand by the fact I defended Hughes up until January 2017, because in my opinion, he deserved to be defended until he'd proven that he'd lost his balls. |
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Post by reddipotter on Aug 18, 2018 11:25:59 GMT
Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. No you weren’t. Things genuinely were good for a time. But even when we finished ninth (in a poor league) Hughes' lack of any sort of plan, either on or off the pitch, was laying the foundations for the major problems we have now. Personally, I'd rather have finished consistently 11th or 12th, had a good go at the cups, and still be in the Premier League. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 18, 2018 11:27:06 GMT
A pity if we can't sell Choupo for at least £8M nor play him! There’s a reason for that Rob. No external party think that he’s worth spending money on, and his attitude and performances don’t guarantee any improvement on our current level of crappyness. I'm sure he would score/create at least 15 goals a season if he played as our left winger. Choupo is very skillful on the ball, is quite strong and got decent pace. I know a lot of people weren't pleased with him last season, but his stats were actually better than a lot of people would like to recognise. OK, he could have done a better job tracking back, but he certainly wasn't any worse than Shaq, and not any worse than Arnie in his first season either. If he would buckle down and do his best he would be great in this league. Time for a little man to man coaching Rowett? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2018 11:30:03 GMT
No you weren’t. Things genuinely were good for a time. But even when we finished ninth (in a poor league) Hughes' lack of any sort of plan, either on or off the pitch, was laying the foundations for the major problems we have now. Personally, I'd rather have finished consistently 11th or 12th, had a good go at the cups, and still be in the Premier League. How was it any more of a poor League than what we’d faced up to that point? What, playing mind numbing football and existing for the sake of existing? We were on a downward spiral before he arrived, the only difference is that the board acted swiftly that time and didn’t with Hughes. Hughes did have a plan in the early years. We played counter attacking stuff based on pace and also found room to accommodate some creativity. He couldn’t adapt it when its central components left and that was the beginning of the end for him and us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 11:37:49 GMT
Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? He doesn't like flashy foreign players who aren't committed to the cause. Choupo, Imbula et al appear flashy and don't give shite about Stoke. Bojan is class not flash and loves the Stoke fans almost as much as we love him. Rowett discovered early upon arrival what a crowd favourite Bojan is and doesn't want to against the fans so early in his time here. But if we continue to fail I fear Bojan will be the culprit rather than Allen, |
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 18, 2018 11:42:34 GMT
Yes, even if you have some characters like choupo, or badou who would like to be elsewhere, for me the managers job is to ensure a working relationship, and get as much out of them as possible. I don't think we are going to sell them. Choupo along with bojan is our most gifted player. Badou if focused is our best midfielder. We need someone to get them inside. If they don't co operate then we fine them their wages until they do. I keep looking at bielsa with envy, a coach with the standing and charisma to get the best out of all the players in his squad Rowett doesn't like fancy foreign players, and yet he has brought Bojan back into the first team? There was hardly a good word for Choupo last season- he was lazy, uncommitted, etc, and yet now he's the answer to our problems? And comparing Bielsa, inheriting a settled squad who know the championship, with the mess Rowett has inherited is ridiculous after two games. I'm as frustrated with this message board now as I was when virtually everyone was backing Hughes, and I turned out to be absolutely right about him. Well you were plain wrong for three seasons. Couldn’t have been more wrong in fact. I predict Gary Rowett will get sacked one day. If that happens by the end of the 23/24 season, then i will be proved right |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2018 17:39:48 GMT
We need something in midfield desperately. We’re so poor.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 18, 2018 17:44:50 GMT
We need something in midfield desperately. We’re so poor. And not just a "sitter". |
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