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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:46:10 GMT
No movement
No movement out for the wasters at all
its this insidious pile of overpaid useless playing staff that's gonna continue to hold us back unless, someone breaks the log jam literally
me - right now, I'm for making offers to pay contracts up
and recognise these people are not assets but liabilities
send them on their way to find new clubs where they can con a living elsewhere
make them an offer to go
sad to say but true
and the Football club wont be turned around until a minibus full of them are sent on their ill gotten ways
its the only conclusion I can draw right now
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2018 20:48:08 GMT
Pay them off in full?
What's the point?
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Post by tribe on Aug 16, 2018 20:51:59 GMT
We're better off looking at when their contracts end..because we sure as hell aren't going to be able to move them before they do!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 16, 2018 20:51:59 GMT
If you don't want a player at all, just tell him either find a club and strike a deal, or you'll be training with the kids all season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:54:17 GMT
did I say pay them off in full ?
nope
I said make them an offer
equable to both parties if needs be
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2018 20:54:31 GMT
If you don't want a player at all, just tell him either find a club and strike a deal, or you'll be training with the kids all season. & If they can't find a club what's the point in that? What do we get out of making them train with the kids once the window is shut? Nothing. Don't mind doing it right now but once it's shut if a player is here and behaving professionally may as well use them. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2018 20:56:03 GMT
did I say pay them off in full ? nope I said make them n offer And why would they accept that? Why lose money? If a plyy us prepared to do that then they would do it already and move on. Most players will sit on their fat contract. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:57:42 GMT
say you say to a player - discretely - you have no future here - none at all
no careeer - nothing
even though we have your registration - you'll not even train here anymore but all other aspects of your contract have to be fulfilled in terms of conduct -turning up etc etc
but , you can be released and find a new club and we will sweeten the deal by offering to pay up part of your existing contract up front
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2018 20:59:47 GMT
How much do you think this is going to cost the club Tony?
This is just a ridiculous argument.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:01:43 GMT
well theres people at the club who literally shat, shed-loads of money to help create this mess
they may as well recognise ( grasp the nettle if you like) they are going to have to shat a lot more, to sort it out
unless, they just want this to fester
and fester
and fester
Me, I fear we'll soon have two first team squads ( if not already)
one full of uselsss wasters - and a smaller one comprising of players who actually want to contribute
Gary Rowett must be privately wondering round about now
WTF have I done joining this shambles ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 16, 2018 21:07:12 GMT
say you say to a player - discretely - you have no future here - none at all no careeer - nothing even though we have your registration - you'll not even train here anymore but all other aspects of your contract have to be fulfilled in terms of conduct -turning up etc etc but , you can be released and find a new club and we will sweeten the deal by offering to pay up part of your existing contract up front Some players probably know they'd struggle to find another club, Adam for example only has a year left, he may as well sit on his contract than take the risk someone would be willing to sign and over weight, ageing, unprofessional footballer. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:10:03 GMT
its like gangrene on your leg
when it starts to stink
and you realise its got to go or you die
when amputing - you need to make hard decisions and make deep and clean cuts into good flesh to make sure
the rest doesnt get infected too
its about, where we are right now .
I'm not watching for who comes in
but who goes out - our future depends on it
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Post by zigazaga on Aug 16, 2018 21:11:47 GMT
Pay em up and ship em out..otherwise they will hold us back for the next 3 years +
Adam, Berahino, Fletcher, Pieters, Imbula, Affeley, Cheapo Moting, Diouf....You can all go and sling your hook..lets start afresh.
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Post by southstanddan on Aug 16, 2018 21:14:02 GMT
Why are they going to turn down money? They are employees and picking up a very good wage. I don’t know if you work but let’s say your company don’t want you anymore but can’t get rid of you. Moving of your own accord means going to a smaller company on less money.
Which would you choose?
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2018 21:14:26 GMT
Pay em up and ship em out..otherwise they will hold us back for the next 3 years + Adam, Berahino, Fletcher, Pieters, Imbula, Affeley, Cheapo Moting, Diouf....You can all go and sling your hook..lets start afresh. Again, how much do you think that will cost the club? |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2018 21:16:30 GMT
did I say pay them off in full ? nope I said make them n offer And why would they accept that? Why lose money? If a plyy us prepared to do that then they would do it already and move on. Most players will sit on their fat contract. The amount of people that don't seem to get this is staggering. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:17:32 GMT
I 'get them' sitting on contracts - but I also get them being unfit - unwanted - unloved - out there in the dark
embarrassing really to a young man with a wife or girlfriend, possibly children
'my dads a football player but he never plays'
wheres the dignity in that ?
surely there's just a shred of that, even in the most mercenary ?
ex football players with no career - lost to the game they supposedly love
and the cost ? tens of millions potentially ( to us)
very expensive indeed
but what is the point of paying top dollar to the likes of Butland Allen and Shawcross to stay on another year
- if your not prepared to do this surgery also ?
and already, the players we really wanted - weren't signed because, we could not move these fucking wasters on
its my point of view right now
we fail to do at least something like this and, we're nowhere for decades
my opinion - take it or leave it.
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Post by questionable on Aug 16, 2018 21:20:31 GMT
Look no no further than the self sufficiency plan, that’s where the root of the cause stems from.
If we spent good money on players and paid the going rates we’d not have to keep offering extensions and free signings to fill gaps but Stoke being Stoke it’s the cheapest options every time.
Without a shadow of a doubt this mess came from the very top and we’re paying the price for their inept business plan and build in two absolutely tossers to see things over and hey presto we are where we are
The whole club stinks to high heaven and I’ll put a pound to penny that things will get a lot worse both on and off the field
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2018 21:21:27 GMT
I 'get them' sitting on contracts - but I also get them being unfit - unwatned - unloved - out there in the dark ex football players with no career - lost to the game they supposedly love and the cost ? tens of millions potentially very expensive indeed but what is the point of paying top dollar to the likes of Butland Allen and Shawcross - if your not prepared to do this surgery also ? and already, the players we really wanted weren't signed because we could not move these fucking wasters on its my point of view right now we fail to do at least something like this and, we're nowhere for decades my opinion - take it or leave it. And you think paying tens of millions to remove players from the club is the way forward? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:26:03 GMT
if necessary ---- yes
if I were Peter Coates - I would be ditching my loyalty card and, actively pursuing this - as an option
treat some of our players in automobile terms as :
write offs i.e. not viable / not worthwhile to continue owning
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2018 21:33:00 GMT
say you say to a player - discretely - you have no future here - none at all no careeer - nothing even though we have your registration - you'll not even train here anymore but all other aspects of your contract have to be fulfilled in terms of conduct -turning up etc etc but , you can be released and find a new club and we will sweeten the deal by offering to pay up part of your existing contract up front Then majority will say,no thanks I will have my money. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2018 21:38:09 GMT
say you say to a player - discretely - you have no future here - none at all no careeer - nothing even though we have your registration - you'll not even train here anymore but all other aspects of your contract have to be fulfilled in terms of conduct -turning up etc etc but , you can be released and find a new club and we will sweeten the deal by offering to pay up part of your existing contract up front Then majority will say,no thanks I will have my money. It's pie is the sky stuff isn't it, and all from a poster who not long ago was wondering how players could be forced to honour contracts! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:39:32 GMT
and so ok - you find a way to make their remaining tenurship as unpleasant as possible
Id say a player who is on a 4 year contract with 3 years left and, you say
here's two years wages in a single wad right now if you go - right now
I reckon theres plenty of them fucking boneheads who'd take it
and their insufferable agents
you take a hit but your up on the deal --surely ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:41:26 GMT
best of all is just tear the fucking contracts up
or, dismiss them
but im trying to be reasonable here
I repeat weve got far too many players who are now liabilities - not assets
its actually quite embarrassing
we've got to find ways of getting rid
and loans are an option but, we got to get them off the books ---- somehow
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2018 21:46:32 GMT
best of all is just tear the fucking contracts up or, dismiss them but im trying to be reasonable here I repeat weve got far too many players who are now liabilities - not assets its actually quite embarrassing we've got to find ways of getting rid and loans are an option but, we got to get them off the books ---- somehow Maybe some of them took your approach, - ok, I've seen enough, I'm off, well on second thoughts I've nowhere better to be so I might as well hang around!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:53:23 GMT
There was always Wrexham ( wink)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:55:12 GMT
And why would they accept that? Why lose money? If a plyy us prepared to do that then they would do it already and move on. Most players will sit on their fat contract. The amount of people that don't seem to get this is staggering. I get it and don't blame the players for sitting. What I want to know is just how the useless t***s that drew up those contracts are not paying the price for such obvious failings. How big a balls up do you have to make before getting the push at Stoke City.. The ONE person named Coates that doesn't get this is staggering. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2018 21:56:45 GMT
The amount of people that don't seem to get this is staggering. I get it and don't blame the players for sitting. What I want to know is just how the useless t***s that drew up those contracts are not paying the price for such obvious failings. How big a balls up do you have to make before getting the push at Stoke City.. The ONE person named Coates that doesn't get this is staggering. Maybe the Tony and Mark show are on 5 year fixed contracts too  |
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2018 21:59:39 GMT
The problem with shifting the 'deadwood', is that it is just that, deadwood, and if we don't want those players then why the heck would anyone else?
Of course the answer is we shouldn't have bought them in the first place or offered them contract extensions when they were already too long in the tooth.
It's like that well known joke about a tourist in Ireland who asks one of the locals for directions to Dublin and the Irishman replies: ‘Well sir, if I were you, I wouldn’t start from here’.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 22:06:31 GMT
I get it and don't blame the players for sitting. What I want to know is just how the useless t***s that drew up those contracts are not paying the price for such obvious failings. How big a balls up do you have to make before getting the push at Stoke City.. The ONE person named Coates that doesn't get this is staggering. Maybe the Tony and Mark show are on 5 year fixed contracts too <iframe width="19.08" height="8.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53936466" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 19.08px; height: 8.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="19.08" height="8.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_17746911" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 899px; top: -5px; width: 19.08px; height: 8.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="19.08" height="8.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_36408650" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 360px; width: 19.08px; height: 8.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="19.08" height="8.45999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_37340048" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 899px; top: 360px; width: 19.08px; height: 8.46px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> I know this they have better bloody agents than Universal Exports. double oh God. |
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