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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:14:51 GMT
From January 20th we played 14 'Cup Finals' under Lambert. We all said we could get out of it. We all picked the must win games.
In the end we won one but in that time we missed last minute penalties, played with ten men, lost games from winning positions on no less than 5 occasions, chucked the ball into our own net, made errors resulting in defeats and bottled it against poor opposition.
The summer came. Some rallied around the club...others didn't, some still don't.
What is clear from the first two games is that mentally we seem shot to bits. The 1st two games haven't helped. Scared to make a mistake, meaning we are making more. Petrified of being beaten meaning players playing with in themselves. Trying to show effort in the wrong places that just results in wasted energy.
Other than a winning run which seems a long way off I just can't see how they can be snapped out of last season's hangover
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:26:47 GMT
We need leaders.
And we don't have any, or we don't have any who are respected enough within the squad. Adam for instance is a great leader, but his poor discipline, poor fitness, poor form, not to mention the heaviest grudges in modern football make him an impossible choice.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 14, 2018 22:28:02 GMT
What we lack mostly is a leader out on the pitch, somebody who can boss, cagoule and bollock them. For example where was Shawcross on Satdee when Etebo skied a 25 yd effort when clearly Ince was in a better position down the channel?
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 14, 2018 22:34:48 GMT
Jack should be captain. Or Williams.
Gerry Taggart would also help
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:40:32 GMT
What we lack mostly is a leader out on the pitch, somebody who can boss, cagoule and bollock them. For example where was Shawcross on Satdee when Etebo skied a 25 yd effort when clearly Ince was in a better position down the channel? I think we have leaders but last season has made them lose their voices....Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Allen, Fletcher are all 'captain material '. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 0:00:14 GMT
What we lack mostly is a leader out on the pitch, somebody who can boss, cagoule and bollock them. For example where was Shawcross on Satdee when Etebo skied a 25 yd effort when clearly Ince was in a better position down the channel? I think we have leaders but last season has made them lose their voices....Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, Allen, Fletcher are all 'captain material '. No, being "material" isn't good enough. They have to go out and do it on the pitch every game. They're either too far away from the action (Butland, who's also in poor form), too quiet (Allen, Bauer, Shawcross (who may bark out orders for his defensive colleagues, but has too little presence otherwise, and is to a large part playing as if Pulis was still his manager) or too old (Fletcher). I repeat we don't have leaders. I used to think Pieters was captain material. That was a long time ago. |
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Post by pottarius on Aug 15, 2018 0:11:23 GMT
Ryan should ideally approach GR and offer to step back from "club captain duties" - one to recapture some form, two to basically accept his part in the recent malaise, and three to give the option for him to be dropped to the bench during his out-of-form runs which are becoming ever more common. Who could replace him is open to question - I would think a toss-up between Jack (due to him being very unlikely to be dropped) or, controversially, McClean who at least would lay into other players after another fuck-up (on that principle he'd spend a lot of time berating himself - that surely would be entertaining)
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 15, 2018 0:27:33 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 15, 2018 1:32:30 GMT
I think you may get the answer ( to how do we snap them out of it ) in the very near future, Rowett is no mug and will be pushed so far. If results and performances don’t improve he will not hesitate dropping players . No matter who or what their past history is!
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 15, 2018 3:34:47 GMT
Ryan should ideally approach GR and offer to step back from "club captain duties" - one to recapture some form, two to basically accept his part in the recent malaise, and three to give the option for him to be dropped to the bench during his out-of-form runs which are becoming ever more common. Who could replace him is open to question - I would think a toss-up between Jack (due to him being very unlikely to be dropped) or, controversially, McClean who at least would lay into other players after another fuck-up (on that principle he'd spend a lot of time berating himself - that surely would be entertaining) As much as what you have written here will upset others, myself included in a weird nostalgic way.., IN MY HEART OF HEARTS.. I do think McLean would be a better captain for Stoke right now. Ryan was dropped for Faye before, IT DID NOT HURT US... ( Was |Faye Capt,. when Ancelotti annihilated us 7 nil or whatever, when sorro went off injured? ) Somethings got to give, and Ryan---let's call a spade a spade here honestly----hasn't played well in ages if we are all honest with ourselves it has to be a shake up to snap them out of it pisses me off that Tony would know how to fix this group. sigh another sigh fuck is wrong with our team lads, im worried already, its not like me Williams has something about him, i give hm my vote, and Mclean as well  |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Aug 15, 2018 4:38:51 GMT
I think you may get the answer ( to how do we snap them out of it ) in the very near future, Rowett is no mug and will be pushed so far. If results and performances don’t improve he will not hesitate dropping players . No matter who or what their past history is! Bollox. He will never drop allen or mclean |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 15, 2018 4:44:45 GMT
Sale said in his pre match interview at Leeds with Nige that we have a "quiet group"... Can't you just tell?!
This isn't just a Shawcross issue, this is a squad issue. Ask any captain and they'll tell you they can't do "the job" effectively without help within the group and to me, Ryan gets none or has received none until Ashley Williams walked through the door for a long time now.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 15, 2018 6:45:15 GMT
Haha that took me a minute or two. Fucking productive prediction key border that spells words four you.  |
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 15, 2018 6:53:19 GMT
Let bring back our sense of humour songs. To brighten up match day. Wouldn't that just sound like mocking... |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 15, 2018 7:04:41 GMT
Well booing the team will not help, that's for sure.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 15, 2018 7:57:53 GMT
Eat an oatcake every day when you play us
Take good care of yourself you belong to City
Or
WE GET KNOCKED DOWN BUT WE GET UP AGAIN
YOURE NEVER GONNA KEEP US DOWN!
Stoke p1ssing the night away!!! We’re p1ssing the night away!!
It’s takes a pedigree, it takes a pint o bass, etc you get he gist lol!
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Post by musik on Aug 15, 2018 8:11:10 GMT
Other than a winning run which seems a long way off I just can't see how they can be snapped out of last season's hangover Correct analysis and we need a good run, a couple of home wins against Wigan 22/8 and Hull 25/8 would mean a lot. |
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Post by rawli on Aug 15, 2018 8:16:36 GMT
Need a new captain to lead the team. Ryan was ok when other strong personalities such as Huth, Walters and Whelan were around. Now he is mute, struggling with his own game and has terrible body language. Just what a group that is in trouble doesn't need. Yet another example of the club failing to address an issue.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 15, 2018 8:27:38 GMT
We have too many players who think they are better than they are,just because they played in the Premiership they think they are Premiership quality players,someone needs to take them to one side and tell them they are mistaken,they got us relegated,so they are now Championship players,if they don't believe it,ask them how many Premiership teams tried to buy them during the window.
Even if they did get us up this season,most would need to be got rid of,because like I said above,they are not Premiership class players.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 15, 2018 8:29:09 GMT
These problems have been with us now for a long time , Rowett came in in May and seems to have started even worse than Lambert finished , you couldnt see this team drawing with Liverpool or Man City just now .
You would have thought given his past that Fletcher would be a leader even if he isnt such a good player now but he doesnt seem to be .
The club must have seen this problem , perhaps Willams is the response but we look way off it .
Id stick two or three of the young lads in with the players he believes in and try to mould a strong group Sorensen and Edwards are good enough to start and Campbell good enough for the bench .
You can have quiet captains who are effective its the spirit in the group thats all wrong and maybe a couple of young lads with less fear might help .
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 15, 2018 8:30:31 GMT
In my head all day now, cheers
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Post by geoff321 on Aug 15, 2018 8:35:36 GMT
I don't think who is captain matters that much, a well drilled and motivated team is the key.
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2018 8:36:31 GMT
stop their obscene wages, and give them £300 a week and the rest based on effort and reults.
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Post by musik on Aug 15, 2018 8:38:19 GMT
perhaps Willams is the response but we look way off it . I wouldn't rely on a player who caused the equalizer, by playing the ball straight to the Bees goal scorer. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 15, 2018 9:28:55 GMT
By getting the players the manager needs instead of faffing about
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Post by cheshirepotter on Aug 15, 2018 11:21:49 GMT
You don't snap people out of it. You change them. That's the way to change culture, especially in the short term. The malaise is too deep rooted for things to change quickly and permanently. That includes players and some of the management. Saturday's performance was 'same old' and shows the mental fragility of many people there. Prepare for more of the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 11:49:23 GMT
Ryan should ideally approach GR and offer to step back from "club captain duties" - one to recapture some form, two to basically accept his part in the recent malaise, and three to give the option for him to be dropped to the bench during his out-of-form runs which are becoming ever more common. Who could replace him is open to question - I would think a toss-up between Jack (due to him being very unlikely to be dropped) or, controversially, McClean who at least would lay into other players after another fuck-up (on that principle he'd spend a lot of time berating himself - that surely would be entertaining) As much as what you have written here will upset others, myself included in a weird nostalgic way.., IN MY HEART OF HEARTS.. I do think McLean would be a better captain for Stoke right now. Ryan was dropped for Faye before, IT DID NOT HURT US... ( Was |Faye Capt,. when Ancelotti annihilated us 7 nil or whatever, when sorro went off injured? ) Somethings got to give, and Ryan---let's call a spade a spade here honestly----hasn't played well in ages if we are all honest with ourselves it has to be a shake up to snap them out of it pisses me off that Tony would know how to fix this group. sigh another sigh fuck is wrong with our team lads, im worried already, its not like me Williams has something about him, i give hm my vote, and Mclean as well Williams was certainly captain at Swansea and of Wales, but he's a loan player. You want your club captain to be a figurehead, and he can't be, if he's out the door presently. He hasn't even proven that he's over his Everton nightmare, if he's not, he could have another here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 11:52:54 GMT
We have too many players who think they are better than they are,just because they played in the Premiership they think they are Premiership quality players,someone needs to take them to one side and tell them they are mistaken,they got us relegated,so they are now Championship players,if they don't believe it,ask them how many Premiership teams tried to buy them during the window. Good point ...but at the moment they are more League 1 quality! Well bad point in the last sentence, because Newcastle did actually put in a bid for Pieters, who in my opinion is the weakest of all our players in the team. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 15, 2018 11:55:43 GMT
Play three at the back, make Williams the captain and let Ryan concentrate on his game.
He must be feeling a massive burden as captain of a relegated side and he looks like he's carrying that weight around with him. Williams looks like a leader and doesn't have any baggage from last season. If nothing else it would single a fresh direction and break from the past.
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Post by redstriper on Aug 15, 2018 11:57:06 GMT
We've played two games under this manager with this squad. Two.
It might help if some of those self titled "supporters" on here who never have a positive word for the club or any of the players stopped putting the boot in and got behind the club. Years back managers got ten games before anyone drew conclusions, these days it seems we are down to half a dozen, but two ? Only at Stoke.
It's no wonder some of the players look scared to make a mistake when those who are prepared to take a chance (bauer for example) are now being pilloried on here for being too far up the pitch.
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