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Post by gezzer on Aug 14, 2018 17:43:36 GMT
Just watched the videos of the U18 & U23 matches and the goals. In all of these, the movement off the ball and positioning is spot on. Why can't the First Team take a leaf from these Lads and get around the Park a bit better and move into space? This puts them to shame if the youngsters can see openings and move into Space when most weeks the movement of the Forwards is woeful.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 14, 2018 17:45:12 GMT
Movement?
Nah !
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 14, 2018 17:49:36 GMT
Movement involves having to be creative and work hard....something this group of players do not posess. Football is so easy if you get movement right....if not, well it’s just us right now.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 14, 2018 18:10:44 GMT
Movement involves having to be creative and work hard....something this group of players do not posess. Football is so easy if you get movement right....if not, well it’s just us right now. We can’t even create movement out of the door 🚪 and you’re asking for movement on the pitch ?
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Aug 14, 2018 18:23:33 GMT
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Post by jebbstuart on Aug 14, 2018 18:23:33 GMT
Thought that is what the management and coaches did before the season began. You had that time to hit the ground running when the season starts. We are still grounded!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 18:41:19 GMT
We have two or three players on the pitch who have the brains to give that movement, one of them was hooked after 60 mins and the other two couldn't do it all on their own.
Managers (at least the ones we get) seem to be so terrified of playing quality that they back themselves into a corner of boredom and ineffectiveness.
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Aug 14, 2018 18:52:02 GMT
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Post by stokie23 on Aug 14, 2018 18:52:02 GMT
Yep. Movement and speed of play, big problem at the moment.
Too many players jogging around - as soon as we inject a bit of pace and clever movement something happens, that was evident when we had our 10 minutes after first goal on satdee ... unfortunately, 10 minutes was all we had.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 14, 2018 19:01:20 GMT
Movement "off" the ball is one of my biggest bugbears with Stoke, and has been for some time.....
I was really hoping that the change of manager would correct this.... however, nothings changed whatsoever...in fact, from what we've seen so far, you could be forgiven in thinking we're somewhat worse!!!
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 14, 2018 19:04:25 GMT
Watching the warm up before the game Saturday,they had that circle thing with a player in the middle trying to get the ball.
Quick short passes at close range.the game starts and none of it is done when it matters.why fucking bother doing it in training if we don't apply it in a game. The only time it gets passed about more than once is across the back four.
Does my nut in.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 14, 2018 19:15:37 GMT
I could do one of my movements on the pitch which wouldn’t stink as much as some of our performers...
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Aug 15, 2018 0:13:42 GMT
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Post by Stokyo on Aug 15, 2018 0:13:42 GMT
Thought that is what the management and coaches did before the season began. You had that time to hit the ground running when the season starts. We are still grounded! When we hit the ground running we fall on our arse, take two months to stand up then hobble around like geriatrics. For once I dream of a flying start to the season.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 15, 2018 2:28:23 GMT
I’ve been saying this for 4 f’n years match day after match day.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 15, 2018 3:45:15 GMT
I’ve been saying this for 4 f’n years match day after match day. No way you have! Cmon Tex, we all know the wife turns the computer off after your 4th Bourbon now , you have been typing into a blank screen for years, she turns it on just before you wake up the next day so you are none the wiser. There was a big intervention that happened, we didnt have the heart to tell you mate -- Brek Shea had just left..
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 15, 2018 4:47:50 GMT
Funny this really, I can remember vividly being shot down by some on here including the football God riccyfuller for suggesting we lost any sort of movement off the ball when Arnie left... was I wrong?! He was the only one we had, for sodding years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2018 7:19:27 GMT
The second u23 goal in particular was very good for the movement. You just can’t imagine the first team having that in them.
Our movement has awful for years mind, it’s something that has to change.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 15, 2018 15:13:07 GMT
It's the most basic fundamental part of the game. Considering how long you actually have the football at your own feet, movement off the ball is what you spend the majority of the game doing, it's THE most important thing. How can we get such a basic thing wrong? All you have to do is run around a lot. Do we buy players who can't run or something?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 15, 2018 15:20:21 GMT
Funny this really, I can remember vividly being shot down by some on here including the football God riccyfuller for suggesting we lost any sort of movement off the ball when Arnie left... was I wrong?! He was the only one we had, for sodding years. Definitely true. Arnie, like him or not for what he did, was a serious part of our success. He made some great runs, fantastic touch, and he made the midfield actually think. That False 9 was some fucking incredible stuff. Our play from the midfield to Arnie - Bojan - Shaq was fucking phenomenal. I miss us being able to do quick passes and get some movement going.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Aug 15, 2018 17:19:33 GMT
It was something I noticed pre season and commented on the fact thatcher ball seemed to be moving at lot quicker! I was confident that his would show on the season‘s start before we were blown away by Leeds.
Confidence is a really big issue 🙁
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 16, 2018 2:22:24 GMT
I’ve been saying this for 4 f’n years match day after match day. No way you have! Cmon Tex, we all know the wife turns the computer off after your 4th Bourbon now , you have been typing into a blank screen for years, she turns it on just before you wake up the next day so you are none the wiser. There was a big intervention that happened, we didnt have the heart to tell you mate -- Brek Shea had just left.. hahahaha 😂 You know I always bitch about lack of subs and no fookin movement!
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 16, 2018 2:25:48 GMT
It's the most basic fundamental part of the game. Considering how long you actually have the football at your own feet, movement off the ball is what you spend the majority of the game doing, it's THE most important thing. How can we get such a basic thing wrong? All you have to do is run around a lot. Do we buy players who can't run or something? It's literally almost insane, if not full on mental, that you actually had to type that out on here. I don't know whether to laugh or cry ! Our side for years must top the "Cold Map" charts off the richter scale. Butland probably tops our heat map
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 16, 2018 2:43:18 GMT
No way you have! Cmon Tex, we all know the wife turns the computer off after your 4th Bourbon now , you have been typing into a blank screen for years, she turns it on just before you wake up the next day so you are none the wiser. There was a big intervention that happened, we didnt have the heart to tell you mate -- Brek Shea had just left.. hahahaha 😂 You know I always bitch about lack of subs and no fookin movement! I know you you have Tex, im on the matchday threads with you every week as well....You have said this DURING countless matches for years.. Its pathetic really isn't mate Its even affected our defenders, how many goals did we concede from set pieces just standing there watching the ball for like 5 years now its like bizarro world, we went from the fittest, most feared, ORC like Rugby team that never let players like Adebayor or Tevez even have a sniff of the ball. Its mental. Even if we signed Usain Bolt, give him two months he'd be standing around also. *****thinking about it Psychologically for a second ( i read a freud book in school, skimmed thru it before an exam and winged the essay so bear with me) You have to wonder if the squad is that fractured, that players are actually standing there thinking inside (look at this waster, guy does nothing and 30 grand more than me every week) like a bad work environment gone haywire. Ive worked with guys taking the piss on jobsites, an I consider myself a good worker, but I have caught myself focusing on their poor performance, possibly at the detriment of my own production looking back honestly. Its human nature to be fair Part of me thinks we should have fooked everyone off and started fresh. Something is really wrong within the morale of the team IMHO -- dunno if they are finger pointing in their own heads, but we dont look like a cohesive team and UNIT at all, since Hughes changed our club to "this" anyway..
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 16, 2018 2:50:41 GMT
hahahaha 😂 You know I always bitch about lack of subs and no fookin movement! I know you you have Tex, im on the matchday threads with you every week as well....You have said this DURING countless matches for years.. Its pathetic really isn't mate Its even affected our defenders, how many goals did we concede from set pieces just standing there watching the ball for like 5 years now its like bizarro world, we went from the fittest, most feared, ORC like Rugby team that never let players like Adebayor or Tevez even have a sniff of the ball. Its mental. Even if we signed Usain Bolt, give him two months he'd be standing around also. *****thinking about it Psychologically for a second ( i read a freud book in school, skimmed thru it before an exam and winged the essay so bear with me) You have to wonder if the squad is that fractured, that players are actually standing there thinking inside (look at this waster, guy does nothing and 30 grand more than me every week) like a bad work environment gone haywire. Ive worked with guys taking the piss on jobsites, an I consider myself a good worker, but I have caught myself focusing on their poor performance, possibly at the detriment of my own production looking back honestly. Its human nature to be fair Part of me thinks we should have fooked everyone off and started fresh. Something is really wrong within the morale of the team IMHO -- dunno if they are finger pointing in their own heads, but we dont look like a cohesive team and UNIT at all, since Hughes changed our club to "this" anyway.. I agree. It’s like a damn plague of lazy uncaring money players we can’t move on sad innit? 😞
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 16, 2018 3:10:55 GMT
Btw at this point, I’d be a better manager in getting fucking players moving off the ball. We’ve had three managers in two years about? Still can’t defend, move off the ball or press. Pretty fucking sad. Lost all hope in Rowett already seems a big talker, but no fucking end product or even a glimpse in our first two matches.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 16, 2018 4:26:01 GMT
Btw at this point, I’d be a better manager in getting fucking players moving off the ball. We’ve had three managers in two years about? Still can’t defend, move off the ball or press. Pretty fucking sad. Lost all hope in Rowett already seems a big talker, but no fucking end product or even a glimpse in our first two matches. I'm literally lost for words myself man -- but take this into account. Rowett will not destroy his somewhat good reputation on this type of performance from his team. He strikes me as the type of guy to go FULL ON ROGUE and start playing kids, dropping players who are "first namers" and making an example of the board and the "first team". There is no way he will allow Stoke to plummet again, he strikes me as a man who doesn't take this kind of thing lightly a la "Mr slow start Hughes" -- GAz knows it's fucked already, im not worried he's blind like Les was. To me this is down to the players. END OF. Deep down inside, as much as I abhor Tony Pulis, most Stoke fans know he would have had the correct mindset in these players matchday 1 -- and ignite the team into at least a minor modicum of a sniff of a possible minimal sense of hard work and pride -- i couldnt give a shit about points at this point. We don't even try to play football or be even remotely competitive anymore I'm not even sure if I have contradicted myself or what, but I refuse to throw gaz under the bus , at least not until Jan... Not looking good tho is it tex... SIGH..... FNFC FOUR NIL FC shambles
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Post by drfishy on Aug 16, 2018 7:06:09 GMT
What I struggle with is that for the last 10 years we were told that it takes time for players to adjust to the pace of the Premier League and no we've dropped to the championship nobody gives us any time(implying it's even faster?). Also has Rowett been surprised by the lack of basic technique within our squad - many fail to move to make themselves available when they pass, most struggle to make a pass of over 5 yards, and when they do find their man it bounces off their shine more often than not. Hughes had "created" a more passing side (versus Pulis hoofball) yet our pass success rate is poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 8:45:33 GMT
It requires a change of habit, culture, and personnel. All that can't be changed overnight or even over the course of a pre season, unless you bring in 11 (or more for backup) new players. I think Rowett might like to do that, but since he, like his predecessors, can't get rid of the substantial deadwood, he too will be reined in by our lethargic play build up, which starts with and is typefied by Butland, Shawcross, Pieters, BMI, and when he comes on Crouch.
It's all very well saying we should bring in players with pace, but when the backbone of the team plays like that, then it becomes the speed merchants who have to adapt to the slow players, and not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:55:39 GMT
I'm literally lost for words myself man -- but take this into account. Rowett will not destroy his somewhat good reputation on this type of performance from his team. He strikes me as the type of guy to go FULL ON ROGUE and start playing kids, dropping players who are "first namers" and making an example of the board and the "first team". I would like very much for this to happen, but nothing in the first two matchday squads suggests he's about to "start playing kids". The only reason Edwards has been on the bench is because under current regulations there has to be a player in the matchday squad who's of a certain age. Moreover nothing in his recruitment suggests he's keen on bringing young players. The latest rumour for a playing coming in is Martina. He's 28...
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