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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2018 8:11:59 GMT
I haven't conveniently forgotten him at all. He's here on loan. Only in name as we are legally obliged to pay the money in January...you know it, I know it and everybody knows it.....interpretation of it is the thing And when that happens it will be added. I don't know it at all, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them!
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 2, 2018 8:17:00 GMT
I don't care if we get promoted as long as we spend loads of money.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 2, 2018 8:20:42 GMT
Top spenders in the Championship and favourites for promotion? It must be Big Time Stoke City©.
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Post by thegift on Aug 2, 2018 8:51:29 GMT
The frustration for me is the not the actual people were getting in, but the positions that need filling and quickly. I mean, we have a fair few decent defenders. We don't need Ashley Williams.
We are crying out for a striker. We simply cant rely on afobe week in week out for 46 games and hope and prey he never gets injured or never has an off day.
You need someone as a back up, unfortunately berahino and diouf don't cut it.
its clear as day we need at least 1 or strikers, and we need to ship about 6 players out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 8:58:46 GMT
Without doubt we have the strongest team and squad in the championship.....on paper, But as we all know the game is decided on the pitch, GR's biggest job, in my opinion, is attitude once out there, he already has a great starting eleven but it's getting them to perform, any player who thinks he's too good for this league needs a good kick up the ass. 100% effort or it didn't matter who we sign..... We've got the strongest team and squad that can't score goals and for me this is the single biggest concern.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 9:29:43 GMT
So by my reckoning it’s around this; Out Shaq 13m Ramadan 5m Grant 1.5m In Ince 10m McClean 5m Etebo 6.5m Federici 1m? So a net spend so far of about 6m? You conveniently forgot Afobe who is £13m as we are obligated to buy him in January He’s not in those figures so sky can’t quote them until January but you are brushing it under the carpet If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 2, 2018 9:44:41 GMT
I haven't conveniently forgotten him at all. He's here on loan. Only in name as we are legally obliged to pay the money in January...you know it, I know it and everybody knows it.....interpretation of it is the thing Depends on how you interpretate it 🤔
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 2, 2018 9:51:27 GMT
The frustration for me is the not the actual people were getting in, but the positions that need filling and quickly. I mean, we have a fair few decent defenders. We don't need Ashley Williams. We are crying out for a striker. We simply cant rely on afobe week in week out for 46 games and hope and prey he never gets injured or never has an off day. You need someone as a back up, unfortunately berahino and diouf don't cut it. its clear as day we need at least 1 or strikers, and we need to ship about 6 players out. We need a centre half for sure. Just not a knackered one. In exactly the same way as if Afobe gets knacked there’s a bit of a gulf, who plays if our first choice CBs get injured? The ghost of Geoff Cameron? One of the two tall children?
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 10:03:44 GMT
You conveniently forgot Afobe who is £13m as we are obligated to buy him in January He’s not in those figures so sky can’t quote them until January but you are brushing it under the carpet If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29 Nobody is denying that Paul but it can’t be ignored and counted as a loan to suit an argument....it’s a fee we are obligated to pay in January so in reality it’s a spend
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Post by thegift on Aug 2, 2018 10:10:08 GMT
The frustration for me is the not the actual people were getting in, but the positions that need filling and quickly. I mean, we have a fair few decent defenders. We don't need Ashley Williams. We are crying out for a striker. We simply cant rely on afobe week in week out for 46 games and hope and prey he never gets injured or never has an off day. You need someone as a back up, unfortunately berahino and diouf don't cut it. its clear as day we need at least 1 or strikers, and we need to ship about 6 players out. We need a centre half for sure. Just not a knackered one. In exactly the same way as if Afobe gets knacked there’s a bit of a gulf, who plays if our first choice CBs get injured? The ghost of Geoff Cameron? One of the two tall children? Goals are more important at the moment. Id rather fill a centre half with a make shift then try to fill a make shift goal scorer like berahino
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 10:10:42 GMT
If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29 Nobody is denying that Paul but it can’t be ignored and counted as a loan to suit an argument....it’s a fee we are obligated to pay in January so in reality it’s a spend Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far.
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 10:13:49 GMT
Nobody is denying that Paul but it can’t be ignored and counted as a loan to suit an argument....it’s a fee we are obligated to pay in January so in reality it’s a spend Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far. I wonder if Forest have any players they will cash in on?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 2, 2018 10:17:52 GMT
We need a centre half for sure. Just not a knackered one. In exactly the same way as if Afobe gets knacked there’s a bit of a gulf, who plays if our first choice CBs get injured? The ghost of Geoff Cameron? One of the two tall children? Goals are more important at the moment. Id rather fill a centre half with a make shift then try to fill a make shift goal scorer like berahino Both are important. You can’t do much with a shit defence.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 10:18:23 GMT
Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far. I wonder if Forest have any players they will cash in on? Dunno but (again according to transfer market's figures) their net spend is currently £23.62 million.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2018 10:23:58 GMT
It kind of makes a mockery of the talk of us being determined to get straight back up?
If we were so determined I'd have expected us to sign the quality holding midfielder that has been needed for years to give balance to the midfield.
We aren't exactly 'going for it' are we? And with there being every chance Badou and Butland could still be sold I can see us turning a big profit this window
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 10:25:47 GMT
I wonder if Forest have any players they will cash in on? Dunno but (again according to transfer market's figures) their net spend is currently £23.62 million. I would well imagine they have mate otherwise they are heading down a precarious route which would mean promotion is a must?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 10:27:15 GMT
Dunno but (again according to transfer market's figures) their net spend is currently £23.62 million. I would well imagine they have mate otherwise they are heading fown a precarious route which would mean promotion is a must? Which is kind of the precarious route I was hoping to see US take Mick. 😁
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 10:28:40 GMT
It kind of makes a mockery of the talk of us being determined to get straight back up? If we were so determined I'd have expected us to sign the quality holding midfielder that has been needed for years to give balance to the midfield. We aren't exactly 'going for it' are we? And with there being every chance Badou and Butland could still be sold I can see us turning a big profit this window We have Badou Etobo Allen Adam and Fletcher all midfield and on huge salaries....you can’t just keep stockpiling without shifting bodies on It’d be financially negligent
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2018 10:31:25 GMT
It kind of makes a mockery of the talk of us being determined to get straight back up? If we were so determined I'd have expected us to sign the quality holding midfielder that has been needed for years to give balance to the midfield. We aren't exactly 'going for it' are we? And with there being every chance Badou and Butland could still be sold I can see us turning a big profit this window We have Badou Etobo Allen Adam and Fletcher all midfield and on huge salaries....you can’t just keep stockpiling without shifting bodies on It’d be financially negligent Several of those names are easily sellable and it is negligent surely to carry on with our woefully inbalanced midfield? Again, seriously disappointing that we haven't seen more activity there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2018 10:32:09 GMT
You conveniently forgot Afobe who is £13m as we are obligated to buy him in January He’s not in those figures so sky can’t quote them until January but you are brushing it under the carpet If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29 I forgot Muni! That's sad.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 2, 2018 10:35:34 GMT
Nobody is denying that Paul but it can’t be ignored and counted as a loan to suit an argument....it’s a fee we are obligated to pay in January so in reality it’s a spend Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far. Muni definitely didn’t go for £4.5 million, Girona don’t have that money. But in any case what matters is wages as with the new contracts for Allen and Shawcross we have retained two players of Value without paying transfer fees. We also see till have Butland who is probably worth £20 million net after a replacement and signed Bauer last time around. Certainly more to come but it’s up to Rowett, he has signed 3 front men, inherited a reasonable back four, top goalkeeper and Allen and Etebo, appears to want Williams so let’s see what he can do
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 10:35:54 GMT
It kind of makes a mockery of the talk of us being determined to get straight back up? If we were so determined I'd have expected us to sign the quality holding midfielder that has been needed for years to give balance to the midfield. We aren't exactly 'going for it' are we? And with there being every chance Badou and Butland could still be sold I can see us turning a big profit this window We have Badou Etobo Allen Adam and Fletcher all midfield and on huge salaries....you can’t just keep stockpiling without shifting bodies on It’d be financially negligent Badou is either going to stay or leave, so his wages will be put to good use or will be irrelevant. As for Charlie and Fletcher they've both got 12 months left on their contract, at what, 2 million a piece (maybe less)?
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 10:39:20 GMT
We have Badou Etobo Allen Adam and Fletcher all midfield and on huge salaries....you can’t just keep stockpiling without shifting bodies on It’d be financially negligent Badou is either going to stay or leave, so his wages will be put to good use or will be irrelevant. As for Charlie and Fletcher they've both got 12 months left on their contract, at what, 2 million a piece (maybe less)? Badou still needs moving on though ...until that happens it’d be crazy to commit We probably have got his replacement lined up ( Pearson) once the domino effect kicks in ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:39:38 GMT
Nobody is denying that Paul but it can’t be ignored and counted as a loan to suit an argument....it’s a fee we are obligated to pay in January so in reality it’s a spend Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far. Who are the other teams Paul Forest are THE outlier so far. From what I've seen, a lot of people are predicting 'Boro to be right up there and challenging for automatic promotion, and their net spend was around £2m last summer and around than £3m this year. I'm not suggesting that we don't need to strengthen areas of the squad, nor that we shouldn't spend cash to make sure it happens, but I still think folks get way too hung up on net spend. Balance of the squad and having good enough strength in depth is far more important imho. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/279601/bouncing-back-best-strategy
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 10:43:50 GMT
Yeah I totally agree. But if you DO include Afobe's fee, the net spend is still only £7.29 million. In real terms, teams like Forest have way out spent us so far. Who are the other teams Paul Forest are THE outlier so far. From what I've seen, a lot of people are predicting 'Boro to be right up there and challenging for automatic promotion, and their net spend was around £2m last summer and around than £3m this year. I'm not suggesting that we don't need to strengthen areas of the squad, nor that we shouldn't spend cash to make sure it happens, but I still think folks get way too hung up on net spend. Balance of the squad and having good enough strength in depth is far more important imho. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/279601/bouncing-back-best-strategyI didn't start a thread bemoaning that in real terms we hadn't spent that much, I was just providing some context to a thread that was started lording us as the top spenders in the division mate. And I agree, the balance of the squad is the most important factor and right now, I see one that isn't, far from it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 2, 2018 10:46:27 GMT
It kind of makes a mockery of the talk of us being determined to get straight back up? If we were so determined I'd have expected us to sign the quality holding midfielder that has been needed for years to give balance to the midfield. We aren't exactly 'going for it' are we? And with there being every chance Badou and Butland could still be sold I can see us turning a big profit this window Again, there's a week of the window left. You might be right, we can't definitively say yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:49:23 GMT
I don't care if we get promoted as long as we spend loads of money. It's all about the net spend these days Joe, and goal difference. Net spend, and goal difference.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:49:28 GMT
Who are the other teams Paul Forest are THE outlier so far. From what I've seen, a lot of people are predicting 'Boro to be right up there and challenging for automatic promotion, and their net spend was around £2m last summer and around than £3m this year. I'm not suggesting that we don't need to strengthen areas of the squad, nor that we shouldn't spend cash to make sure it happens, but I still think folks get way too hung up on net spend. Balance of the squad and having good enough strength in depth is far more important imho. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/279601/bouncing-back-best-strategyI didn't start a thread saying that in real terms we hadn't spent that much, I was just providing some context to a thread that was started lording us as the top spenders in the division mate. And I agree, the balance of the squad is the most important factor and right now, I see one that isn't, far from it. Oh, I know mate, I was just piggy-backing off of the 'net spend' comments which inevitably crops up every window. The balance of the squad is an ongoing issue of years of poor approaches to recruitment; individuals being bought over the sake of a good squad/team. I think we all hoped that more would have been done to address it this summer, but the truth, or at least how I see it, is that it's more than a one window job. Unfortunately. Happy with the business we've done so far, but there's just not been enough of it.
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Post by bolders on Aug 2, 2018 12:31:47 GMT
You conveniently forgot Afobe who is £13m as we are obligated to buy him in January He’s not in those figures so sky can’t quote them until January but you are brushing it under the carpet If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29 You forgot federici
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2018 12:34:46 GMT
If you include Afobe, then according to transfer market's figures, our net spend is £7.29 million so far. Afobe 12.15 + Ince 10.08 + Etebo 6.48 + McClean 5.04 = 33.75 Shaqiri 13.23 + Sobhi 5.85 + Muniesa 4.50 + Grant 1.53 + Wimmer (loan fee) 1.35 = 26.46 33.75 - 26.46 = 7.29 You forgot federici There is no fee for him in their figures.
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