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Post by Pugsley on Aug 1, 2018 21:21:57 GMT
Will someone please explain why Williams is even on our radar?
Come on Rowett ffs.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 1, 2018 21:35:20 GMT
Yet you are forgetting that the manager has final say on all players in and out if the club and somehow hes blameless because it doesnt fit your agenda. Ok then. Like Etebo you mean of course he does, do you honestly think that is true ? the club have been pulling that old chestnut out of the cupboard for the last three managers tenure. This mess started when Scholes was employed by Coates to do his bidding nothing has changed, do you believe Ashley Williams is really the managers preferred choice honestly Rowett said on Radio Stoke on Monday that he doesnt believe in other peoole having control of the signings and he would not have taken the job if that was the case as its the managers job to live and die by those decisions. The transfer team put players to him as they did with Etebo (which we all agree looks like a fantastic piece of business btw) but he ways the decision and deal up and makes the final decision on all players in and out. Therefore If He signs its Rowetts decision, no one elses. Yes the transfer team may have put the player to him or identified him as a possible player but ultimately GR made the decision. You can blame the transfer team all you want but GR is just as much if not more worthy of your criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:39:19 GMT
Will you be as happy as when we signed this chap??
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 1, 2018 21:43:01 GMT
Like Etebo you mean of course he does, do you honestly think that is true ? the club have been pulling that old chestnut out of the cupboard for the last three managers tenure. This mess started when Scholes was employed by Coates to do his bidding nothing has changed, do you believe Ashley Williams is really the managers preferred choice honestly Rowett said on Radio Stoke on Monday that he doesnt believe in other peoole having control of the signings and he would not have taken the job if that was the case as its the managers job to live and die by those decisions. The transfer team put players to him as they did with Etebo (which we all agree looks like a fantastic piece of business btw) but he ways the decision and deal up and makes the final decision on all players in and out. Therefore If He signs its Rowetts decision, no one elses. Yes the transfer team may have put the player to him or identified him as a possible player but ultimately GR made the decision. You can blame the transfer team all you want but GR is just as much if not more worthy of your criticism. As did Tony Pulis allegedly , Etebo" we all agree looks a fantastic piece of business" ! by who ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 1, 2018 21:44:38 GMT
Why wouldn’t Williams be the manager’s choice? He fits his MO entirely.
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Post by johnfarmersmum on Aug 1, 2018 21:57:07 GMT
Williams wiĺl be a good bit of business in this league
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Post by thicknthin on Aug 1, 2018 21:57:51 GMT
Why wouldn’t Williams be the manager’s choice? He fits his MO entirely. Is that MO old past it and overpaid? He's not the man for me then, I want an up and coming, hungry team. What's the point of getting a manager who knows the championship who then spends a fortune on premiership has beens? This all feels a bit wank, very disappointed if it happens.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 1, 2018 21:59:37 GMT
Rowett said on Radio Stoke on Monday that he doesnt believe in other peoole having control of the signings and he would not have taken the job if that was the case as its the managers job to live and die by those decisions. The transfer team put players to him as they did with Etebo (which we all agree looks like a fantastic piece of business btw) but he ways the decision and deal up and makes the final decision on all players in and out. Therefore If He signs its Rowetts decision, no one elses. Yes the transfer team may have put the player to him or identified him as a possible player but ultimately GR made the decision. You can blame the transfer team all you want but GR is just as much if not more worthy of your criticism. As did Tony Pulis allegedly , Etebo" we all agree looks a fantastic piece of business" ! by who ? So you think the transfer team have done a complete 180 over the summer and gone from signing foreign-based has beens to experienced British Championship players? Including one who just happens to have been a longtime target of the manager and one who the manager has worked with before?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 1, 2018 22:01:26 GMT
Why wouldn’t Williams be the manager’s choice? He fits his MO entirely. Is that MO old past it and overpaid? He's not the man for me then, I want an up and coming, hungry team. What's the point of getting a manager who knows the championship who then spends a fortune on premiership has beens? This all feels a bit wank, very disappointed if it happens. If you look at his later Derby signings, like Davies, Huddlestone and Ledley, yes. 6-7 of his Derby side were over 30.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 22:05:31 GMT
be like swapping a lamborghini for a morris minor
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 22:06:09 GMT
You have to look at his overall business to be fair. In a way he had his hands tied because of the deadwood taking wages
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Post by thicknthin on Aug 1, 2018 22:06:16 GMT
Is that MO old past it and overpaid? He's not the man for me then, I want an up and coming, hungry team. What's the point of getting a manager who knows the championship who then spends a fortune on premiership has beens? This all feels a bit wank, very disappointed if it happens. If you look at his later Derby signings, like Davies, Huddlestone and Ledley, yes. 6-7 of his Derby side were over 30. Yep you're 100% correct, I already had. Massive worry. Huge wage bill for unsellable players. If it goes tits up this year, I can see it taking years to recover.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Aug 1, 2018 22:06:35 GMT
As did Tony Pulis allegedly , Etebo" we all agree looks a fantastic piece of business" ! by who ? So you think the transfer team have done a complete 180 over the summer and gone from signing foreign-based has beens to experienced British Championship players? Including one who just happens to have been a longtime target of the manager and one who the manager has worked with before? Don't feed the troll
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Post by Gods on Aug 1, 2018 22:15:37 GMT
Why wouldn’t Williams be the manager’s choice? He fits his MO entirely. It's quite clear he is the managers choice. The manager has stated that he chooses which players he wants and based on everything I have seen and know of Rowett in action then Williams would be exactly the kind of character he would want with him in the trenches. It's equally clear that if Badou were to go one way and Williams the other, unlikely I think, it would not be a swap in the sense of a straight player exchange with no cash changing hands. One reporter has simply seen the the possibility of the players travelling in opposite directions and decided to assign the word 'swap' to it. I know folks are itching for another round of Scholes/Cartwright bashing but this is not a stick to beat them with. For me I reckon Williams would greatly improve our options at centre back, in fact I know he would.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2018 22:16:52 GMT
Why wouldn’t Williams be the manager’s choice? He fits his MO entirely. It's quite clear he is the managers choice. The manager has stated that he chooses which players he wants and based on everything I have seen and heard from Rowett in action then Williams would be exactly the kind of character he would want with him in the trenches. It's equally clear that if Badou were to go one way and Williams the other, unlikely I think, it would not be a swap in the sense of a straight player exchange with no cash changing hands. One reporter has simply seen the the possibility of the players travelling in opposite directions and decided to assign the word 'swap' to it. I know folks are itching for another round of Scholes/Cartwright bashing but this is not a stick to beat them with. For me I reckon Williams would greatly improve our options at centre back, in fact I know he would. Doesn’t strike me as a “character”. I am biased though after years of thinking he’s a sack of shite.
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Post by Boothen on Aug 1, 2018 22:18:58 GMT
be like swapping a lamborghini for a morris marina One of the best cars I ever owned was an old, albeit heavily modified, moggy Minor. So yeah, FTFY.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 1, 2018 22:25:26 GMT
34 and he was slooooooooooooow last year.
Would much rather we looked at someone younger with pace.
If we’re really interested then simply sign Huth instead. Fan’s favourite and one of the best to have in and around the squad.
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Post by camstoke10 on Aug 1, 2018 22:28:21 GMT
34 and he was slooooooooooooow last year. Would much rather we looked at someone younger with pace. If we’re really interested then simply sign Huth instead. Fan’s favourite and one of the best to have in and around the squad. Agreed and he would also not ask for massive wage with him being a free agent
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 1, 2018 22:28:57 GMT
34 and he was slooooooooooooow last year. Would much rather we looked at someone younger with pace. If we’re really interested then simply sign Huth instead. Fan’s favourite and one of the best to have in and around the squad. he's 33....for another 22 days!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 22:32:19 GMT
One also wonders, are those two young centre halves we signed 12 -18 months ago, really so fucking useless ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 23:10:57 GMT
My thought too. Then I thought of Xherdan and the £13M. So Badou+£10M <--------> Williams is more likely? 🤔 RELEGATION RELEASE CLAUSE IN HIS CONTRACT!! Let it go. It doesn't matter how many times this id mentioned, some people just won't get it
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Post by baystokie on Aug 1, 2018 23:17:12 GMT
One also wonders, are those two young centre halves we signed 12 -18 months ago, really so fucking useless ? Rowett probably feels that they deserve better than to be thrown to the wolves so early in the season. Best let the team have a few points on the board before they make their first playing mistake and get slaughtered by the self-appointed bet365 Gestapo?
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Post by thegift on Aug 2, 2018 0:15:50 GMT
Didnt pulis try to get etebo at stoke but scholes said no?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2018 1:23:49 GMT
34 and he was slooooooooooooow last year. Would much rather we looked at someone younger with pace. If we’re really interested then simply sign Huth instead. Fan’s favourite and one of the best to have in and around the squad. Huth is no where near the same, he's too injury prone and not played in a year!! Fans favourite means jack shit when a player clearly isn't up to even staying fit.
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Post by Northy on Aug 2, 2018 5:19:35 GMT
Even we are not that stupid. You'd hope so
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 2, 2018 5:25:42 GMT
Will someone please explain why Williams is even on our radar? Come on Rowett ffs. A bit worrying, isn't it? As was his one word answer to the Crouch question the other night, "goals". Screams of making do again, to me.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 2, 2018 5:30:17 GMT
34 and he was slooooooooooooow last year. Would much rather we looked at someone younger with pace. If we’re really interested then simply sign Huth instead. Fan’s favourite and one of the best to have in and around the squad. Huth is no where near the same, he's too injury prone and not played in a year!! Fans favourite means jack shit when a player clearly isn't up to even staying fit. You missed the point. However, as you did I shall try to explain. 1. They are similar in age. 2. They are BOTH injury prone. 3. Both are experienced defenders and would be equal back up. 4. Both are characters, however additionally we know Huth and he knows the SCFC that fans most identify with in regards to our last 10 years. 5. With Huth we wouldn’t be parting with one of our start players, that our manager has publicly stated he wants to keep. There are many more but these are the basics. Just to be clear though. The post was meant to show the lunacy in this move. Not a ringing enforcement for the romantic signing and nostalgic backing of a club legend.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 2, 2018 5:35:09 GMT
Will you be as happy as when we signed this chap?? Please delete your horrible post
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Post by werrington on Aug 2, 2018 6:27:44 GMT
be like swapping a lamborghini for a morris minor What an expensive flash and shiny with a huge risk rather than a solid and reliable that won’t let you down ? He might be a good signing he might not buy let’s give him a chance eh, I’m not buying this opinion shite as people gets polarised with their views and then refuse to see anything decent about a players performance and dissect it until they see something negative and go to town on it to justify themselves ....they know who they are
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Post by westgatelakes on Aug 2, 2018 7:40:11 GMT
A lot of you appear to believe that we`re still in the premier league and, as such, should still be competing with the likes of West Ham, Crystal Palace, Southampton etc for players. Sorry folks but we got relegated last year and are shopping in an entirely different market place. I agree that Williams had a poor season last year (much like many Stoke players) but that was playing for a big club in the premier league. Previous to that, he was, in my opinion, one of the best centre backs around and played a large part in Swansea`s stay in the prem, which, of course, earned him a big money move to Everton. Time will tell but I think he will turn out to be a useful acquisition.
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