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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 9:29:04 GMT
When you have a central midfield that can neither defend or attack then you will always struggle.
McLean and Ince whipping balls into the box to a single forward against 2-3 defenders isnt going to score us many goals.
Same as last season and the season before.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 29, 2018 9:39:04 GMT
The OP is correct, but it is not the most important issue.
Successful teams are built on a sound defence. It not only ensures you don't drop points you should have picked up, but it instills confidence in a side and trust in each other.
Last season our defence was the worst in the Prem. and probably worse than most Championship sides, judging by cup games. The club has done nothing to improve the defence, in fact with the loss of Zouma and Grant, it is arguable we are weaker than last season. We are totally lacking a player who can sit in front of the back line and cut out through passes. Whelan was the man in his hey day and Cameron used to be good at it. Fletcher has proved a huge disappointment.
I'm not objecting to the purchase of another striker, at least we now have the wide men who can feed the ball. I think Etebo is going to be a monster attacking the opposition, but all that will be in vain if we are leaking goals like a sieve at the back.
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Post by jarvinski on Jul 29, 2018 9:42:25 GMT
I take it after yesterdays game, Gazzer realises Dieuf is useless, so many of this squad need moving out
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Post by Godo on Jul 29, 2018 9:46:28 GMT
I'm neither panicking or stupidly optimistic and next week against Leeds will be the first real indication of where we are at BUT whoever plays up front is still isolated under Rowett's current system. Neither McClean or Ince (although a better ratio at Derby than Huddersfield) look like goalscoring inside forwards, no one in central midfield gets far enough forward and the full backs barely overlap. It looks like we need to play #10 but then we look too open in midfield if we do. I think we have been crying out for an upgraded powerful holding/ball winning midfielder for a long time. We STILL look statuesque at times at the back and ponderous in possession and I'm really not sure that the pattern of play has improved. Let's see what the new season brings but the deadwood -Cameron,Adam, Crouch, Fletcher, Diouf, Imbula - look as ineffective and/or past it as they were last year. Still a lot to do if we are not to continue our decline.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2018 10:04:04 GMT
I still think the best way for us is to go 4 4 2 to score enough goals, despite maybe having players more suited for 4 3 3.  |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 29, 2018 10:09:06 GMT
Think we will need 75+ goals to win automatic promotion.
If we get 25 from Afobe that leaves another 50 needed.
We need another striker.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 29, 2018 11:57:03 GMT
Think we will need 75+ goals to win automatic promotion. If we get 25 from Afobe that leaves another 50 needed. We need another striker. We will be lucky to create 75 chances with the players we have. |
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Post by stokeson on Jul 29, 2018 13:57:24 GMT
Berahino scored a great goal yesterday (im his biggest critic but lets be fair.)
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Post by kevkj on Jul 29, 2018 14:01:48 GMT
Make no bones about it our defence is utter shite and over rated, ponderous, slow and disorganised.
Midfield is unbalanced and headless and only one striker played.
Long, long season ahead mark my words.
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Post by Gods on Jul 29, 2018 14:05:34 GMT
Think we will need 75+ goals to win automatic promotion. If we get 25 from Afobe that leaves another 50 needed. We need another striker. Love the way you just casually awarded Afobe 25 league goals! No one has got anywhere near that total at the club for decades. Afobe looks unfit, isolated and he's jiggered his back, we'll be lucky if he even starts the season! |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 29, 2018 14:10:19 GMT
Berahino scored a great goal yesterday (im his biggest critic but lets be fair.) Prolific  |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 29, 2018 14:27:04 GMT
Think we will need 75+ goals to win automatic promotion. If we get 25 from Afobe that leaves another 50 needed. We need another striker. Love the way you just casually awarded Afobe 25 league goals! No one has got anywhere near that total at the club for decades. Afobe looks unfit, isolated and he's jiggered his back, we'll be lucky if he even starts the season! "IF we get" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 16:26:19 GMT
We struggled last season and this seems to still be a BIG problem, on the other hand we keep on conceding! Maybe not a team for straight promotion after all!  I never thought anything else. People who live in fantasy land think you can turn a shit attack and an even worse defence into promotion favourites in half a pre season need to get real and stop kidding themselves. We still have far too many poor players including an almost intact defence that was utter gash last season. The joke that a player who hasn't scored since last time I got laid on a night out is going to be our goal machine backed up by a man I love in Mama but would love better if he went to specsavers and actually learned to kick a football is just pathetic. We need A striker, a holding midfielder and a centre back with a new captain. Then add a goalkeeper if Jack leaves. But don't worry there is plenty of time 'till the season starts …..oh hang on....  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2018 16:38:19 GMT
We struggled last season and this seems to still be a BIG problem, on the other hand we keep on conceding! Maybe not a team for straight promotion after all! I never thought anything else. People who live in fantasy land think you can turn a shit attack and an even worse defence into promotion favourites in half a pre season need to get real and stop kidding themselves. We still have far too many poor players including an almost intact defence that was utter gash last season. The joke that a player who hasn't scored since last time I got laid on a night out is going to be our goal machine backed up by a man I love in Mama but would love better if he went to specsavers and actually learned to kick a football is just pathetic. We need A striker, a holding midfielder and a centre back with a new captain. Then add a goalkeeper if Jack leaves. But don't worry there is plenty of time 'till the season starts …..oh hang on.... We certainly need a striker and another central defender at a minimum! If we are going 4 4 2 I'm not sure we need another midfielder, at least not before we have offloaded a couple.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 16:49:52 GMT
I never thought anything else. People who live in fantasy land think you can turn a shit attack and an even worse defence into promotion favourites in half a pre season need to get real and stop kidding themselves. We still have far too many poor players including an almost intact defence that was utter gash last season. The joke that a player who hasn't scored since last time I got laid on a night out is going to be our goal machine backed up by a man I love in Mama but would love better if he went to specsavers and actually learned to kick a football is just pathetic. We need A striker, a holding midfielder and a centre back with a new captain. Then add a goalkeeper if Jack leaves. But don't worry there is plenty of time 'till the season starts …..oh hang on.... We certainly need a striker and another central defender at a minimum! If we are going 4 4 2 I'm not sure we need another midfielder, at least not before we have offloaded a couple. It's the price we HAVE TO PAY if we are to rebuild the deadwood players have to be put out of the door at any cost. Sitting waiting for clubs to come in and make good offers for players who were utter shit just isn't going to happen. We have to take the pain and pay half their wages just to move them on. How can Rowett build on players that he already knows are not good enough. I fear for him I really do as it's him who will take the flack when yet again we leak like a sieve and score none. Mid table finish next season will be a decent return with our poor squad of players. |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:40:05 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 17:41:16 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table. Pulis fan and not a Stoke fan 🤔 |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:43:34 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table. Pulis fan and not a Stoke fan 🤔 Yes I take a mid-table finish now. The bookies sees us as like when Newcastle came down a few years ago - but they had a talent laden squad and added to it. We went down with (largely) a bunch of wasters and lost our only creative/goalscorer in Shaqiri. |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:44:41 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table. Pulis fan and not a Stoke fan 🤔 A realist pal. Middlesborough will finish 25 points plus ahead of us. This time next week will be a huge reality chack pal. |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:46:19 GMT
Make no bones about it our defence is utter shite and over rated, ponderous, slow and disorganised. Midfield is unbalanced and headless and only one striker played. Long, long season ahead mark my words. Yes, if we stay up it will be a bonus as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 17:46:40 GMT
Pulis fan and not a Stoke fan 🤔 A realist pal. Middlesborough will finish 25 points plus ahead of us. This time next week will be a huge reality chack pal. I’m not your pal, you’re clearly a troll. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2018 17:48:08 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table.  |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:48:50 GMT
I find it astonishing that we are favourites to win promotion - for me we will be battling at the other end of the table. Come back to me in October. |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:49:58 GMT
A realist pal. Middlesborough will finish 25 points plus ahead of us. This time next week will be a huge reality chack pal. I’m not your pal, you’re clearly a troll. I'd get your head out the sand pal. Your wake up call will come this time next week when Leeds have ripped in to us. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2018 17:50:24 GMT
Come back to me in October. And i thought the championship was a long season |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2018 17:51:52 GMT
I’m not your pal, you’re clearly a troll. I'd get your head out the sand pal. Your wake up call will come this time next week when Leeds have ripped in to us. Oh well, if they do, that will be that for another season! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 17:52:04 GMT
I’m not your pal, you’re clearly a troll. I'd get your head out the sand pal. Your wake up call will come this time next week when Leeds have ripped in to us. It’s obvious that you are desperate for Middlesbrough to finish above us because your hero is there. What a sad act. |
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Post by pulisfan on Jul 29, 2018 17:56:06 GMT
I'd get your head out the sand pal. Your wake up call will come this time next week when Leeds have ripped in to us. It’s obvious that you are desperate for Middlesbrough to finish above us because your hero is there. What a sad act. Not at all, but we know TP will have a strong squad and that they will take 6 points off us. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2018 18:03:44 GMT
It’s obvious that you are desperate for Middlesbrough to finish above us because your hero is there. What a sad act. Not at all, but we know TP will have a strong squad and that they will take 6 points off us. That's that then, we're fucked. |
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