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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 24, 2018 15:51:14 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 24, 2018 15:52:13 GMT
Permanent deal.
I held him in high hopes to be honest from bits i’d seen. shame to see him go, good luck to him
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Post by Gods on Jul 24, 2018 15:56:14 GMT
We seemed to make a several of these 'one for the future' acquisitions back in those balmy summer days of 2015 when everything we touched seemed to turn to gold. None of them ever worked out, you knew they wouldn't, but no one really cared. Didn't he have a mate from Blackpool we signed at the same time, whatever happened to him I wonder ?
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 24, 2018 15:57:25 GMT
I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious.
What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had.
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2018 15:57:45 GMT
We seemed to make a several of these 'one for the future' acquisitions back in those balmy summer days of 2015 when everything we touched seemed to turn to gold. None of them ever worked out, you knew they wouldn't, but no one really cared. Didn't he have a mate from Blackpool we signed at the same time, whatever happened to him I wonder ? Waddington is still at the club. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2018 15:58:17 GMT
I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious. What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had. Edwards |
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 24, 2018 15:59:08 GMT
Just posted this on the other thread
I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious.
What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 24, 2018 16:00:47 GMT
I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious. What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had. Edwards Fair enough because I think he was dropped/played in tough matches undeservedly, but do you really think that's a good return though? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 16:01:06 GMT
Just posted this on the other thread I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious. What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had. Edwards/Sorenson/Campbell probably the most recent and most prominent. |
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Post by nonameface on Jul 24, 2018 16:01:45 GMT
Nevermind.
I've never seen him play live, I've only seen clips or friendly performances. He looked pretty technical, but I trust the clubs judgement, even if they did let go of Brereton.
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 24, 2018 16:02:05 GMT
Permanent deal. I held him in high hopes to be honest from bits i’d seen. shame to see him go, good luck to him Just switched him over on Wiki. |
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Jul 24, 2018 16:04:29 GMT
Just posted this on the other thread I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious. What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had. Edwards/Sorenson/Campbell probably the most recent and most prominent. I've just said on another thread, Edwards was mismanaged, dropped and played in tough games undeservedly. The other two, hopefully ones for the future as well. Everyone who gets bigged up and we as fans keep an eye on ends up going to a lower league team, I can't wait till we get that breakthrough player that gets people talking. |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Jul 24, 2018 16:05:23 GMT
Just posted this on the other thread I'm in a good mood so this isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious. What does out academy and academy staff actually do. Surely the end game isn't to sell pretty much every asset to league 1 and 2 clubs. With the exception of Marshall and correct me if im wrong, a young keeper going to the championship, Shenton getting a handful of minutes in the first team then disappearing, I can't remember the last sucess story we had. Edwards/Sorenson/Campbell probably the most recent and most prominent. Campbell wasn’t from our academy was he thought it was Man City’s ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 16:07:11 GMT
Edwards/Sorenson/Campbell probably the most recent and most prominent. I've just said on another thread, Edwards was mismanaged, dropped and played in tough games undeservedly. The other two, hopefully ones for the future as well. Everyone who gets bigged up and we as fans keep an eye on ends up going to a lower league team, I can't wait till we get that breakthrough player that gets people talking. He was absolutely mismanaged considering he's a holding mid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 16:09:46 GMT
Edwards/Sorenson/Campbell probably the most recent and most prominent. Campbell wasn’t from our academy was he thought it was Man City’s ? True enough, but Telford was Blackpool, and a lot of Sidibe's French/Senegalese youngsters are Stoke by all accounts but they came from other clubs too so it depends what you consider 'our academy' |
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 24, 2018 16:15:53 GMT
get goals for them hope he gets a couple against fail and crewe
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 24, 2018 16:18:48 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 24, 2018 16:32:57 GMT
I agree with what's been said, we seem to have a lot of nearly players, these include Telford, Waddington, Shenton, N'Goy, Edwards, Verlinden and Campbell. In days gone by we have watched the likes of Cuvulier go to the dogs.
There must be a few players with high aspirations out there that would think twice about coming to Stoke as clearly something is wrong
There may be time for Edwards, Campbell and Sorensson as yet but if I had to bet on it I would say they wont make it which is a shame when you look at other clubs such as Southampton, Liverpool and Everton that keep on churning out good youth players that do kick on
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 24, 2018 16:38:53 GMT
Edwards didn’t do much wrong in the first team. I thought he looked good and comfatuble.
From what I saw a good coach and time in the squad no reason why he could not make the grade.
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Post by plymouthpotter4 on Jul 24, 2018 16:47:12 GMT
If we're serious about our academy then it needs to be given time. I'd have thought at least 10 years from when the round of investment went in. It's a change in practice of everything that went on before.
Aiming for a change in culture will alwYs need time to embed and becime natural to the club so there was always going to be players coming and going from the academy set up. Hopefully the next 5 years will start to see a few more come through.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 24, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
Has anybody checked on Bayern?
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Post by bhp on Jul 24, 2018 17:02:43 GMT
6 players had their first team debuts last season, hopefully them 6 plus others can have more an impact next season. Only 1 of those 6 have been a 'proper' academy graduate with Sorensen, Ngoy, Campbell who cost £700k, Souttar and Verlinden came to the club into their mid to later teens.
A hell of a lot of work into the lads in the 18's and below, the effort is evident, the lads play brilliant football and hardly succumb to defeat. Just hope these lada are presented with an opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 17:37:07 GMT
I guess the most pertinent question is “Have we agreed a sell on clause?”
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 24, 2018 18:39:07 GMT
Dom telford is a lovely young man. A mive to bury means he will probably move back to the area he grew up as well.
Lives his life for his football. Wish him nothing but the best. He's a talented player and hopefully he'll realise his potential
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Post by mrred on Jul 24, 2018 18:43:50 GMT
8 years later and we're just as close to seeing young talent forging a place in the first team than we were 8 years ago.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 24, 2018 18:44:23 GMT
Has anybody checked on Bayern? He’s to busy f5ing the Chester and Ince threads give him a bit longer |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 25, 2018 10:02:49 GMT
How much do these lads get paid? A lot of them stick around until their early 20's flitting between the Under-23's and loans in the lower divisions and non-league. If they get paid a good wedge, it would seem it's an unproductive system given how many have actually made it through.
Have we got a fee for Telford? If not, isn't that essentially three or four years' worth of wages gone up the wall, then multiply that by the amount of players that seem to come and go.
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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 25, 2018 10:08:01 GMT
How much do these lads get paid? A lot of them stick around until their early 20's flitting between the Under-23's and loans in the lower divisions and non-league. If they get paid a good wedge, it would seem it's an unproductive system given how many have actually made it through. Have we got a fee for Telford? If not, isn't that essentially three or four years' worth of wages gone up the wall, then multiply that by the amount of players that seem to come and go. If I was to go by Football Manager statistics, it can be anything from £500 to a £2-3k a week usually. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2018 11:24:51 GMT
Really do hope he does well. He's got everything in the locker to succeed and score goals to a Championship level.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 25, 2018 11:50:58 GMT
Really do hope he does well. He's got everything in the locker to succeed and score goals to a Championship level. We're in the Championship though. Is he better than N'Goy and Campbell? If not, then it's a case of no room at the inn. Why didn't Bristol Rovers take him on at a level higher as I thought they were playing a cute game to nab him by limiting his appearances once they liked the look of him? |
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