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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 2, 2018 23:35:41 GMT
So you think it should have gone unpunished then? Not at all but the reaction by Neymar was ridiculous and cheating. Neither were in the right but I’d be embarrassed if we had a player that did that. Do you think his reaction was OK then? So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 2, 2018 23:48:15 GMT
Not at all but the reaction by Neymar was ridiculous and cheating. Neither were in the right but I’d be embarrassed if we had a player that did that. Do you think his reaction was OK then? So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction? So what your saying is feigning injury is the way forward if you don’t get the right decision? I guess I’ve always been in the camp of “getting on with it and accepting that refs make mistakes.” So I guess that makes it fair game to chase the ref around and wave imaginary cards as well if you think you’ve been hard done by.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2018 23:56:19 GMT
If a little tread on Neymar's ankle is worth a red card and a short ban, surely Neymar's behaviour is worth a two year ban? It wasn't and it isn't.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2018 0:16:33 GMT
Im sorry but nothing justifys that over reaction. The guys a complete tool. Not great by the Mexican but it was hardly a stamp. I’d be surprised if it even hurt. So you think it should have gone unpunished then? Its not me you quoted but I don't think it was a red card or violent conduct, there's no way he was trying to injure him just annoy him/get under his skin, he was also treading on the forth officials foot at the same time and his reaction or lack of it shows the force used, its on par with a striker treading on a defenders toes to put him off during a game. I know I'm probably in a minority of one
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Post by StoKeith on Jul 3, 2018 0:53:54 GMT
I hate diving and feigning injury to get a player sent off. I can understand when a player is knocked off balance by a kick that they feel they have to fall down to highlight the fact they were fouled, but what Neymar does is way beyond acceptable.
There’s some discussion about whether diving is a natural consequence of being a “winner” or simply cheating. For me, it’s definitely just cheating.
The types of “against the rules” actions that I think are “acceptable” and a consequence of desperately wanting to win would be things like Suarez’s handball in 2010 vs Ghana. He didn’t con the ref, he just did everything he could to get his team to win - and it worked - even though he couldn’t play in the semi final.
Also when Solskjaer tripped up Rob Lee in the last minute to stop him scoring a last minute winner for Newcastle - he just did everything he could to win. Interestingly, Fergie apparently gave him the hairdryer treatment. Solskjaer said:
“I was applauded off but I wasn’t applauded by the gaffer. He laid down the law with me and said: ‘At Manchester United we never win that way; we win by fair play.’ It was an eye-opener for me.
“Some managers would have said ‘well done, son’, but he would not accept that way of winning, which says everything about him.”
I personally disagree with Ferguson on that one.
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Post by lifelong on Jul 3, 2018 5:26:19 GMT
We just have to accept these guys have no shame and no dignity. What i don't accept is when our pundits come out with "determination to win" as an excuse.
I think it was Nevile said it about Suarez. They may win things but in my book they will never be great players, Maradona included.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 3, 2018 6:02:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 6:12:53 GMT
I think he's absolutely disgusting and a complete and utter shit. Unfortunately the media love him and continue to drool over him, so he just becomes even more of an an odious, precocious, obnoxious, egotistical pr*ck. Some defender should give him a real nasty tackle to give him something to roll about for, hopefully meaning he has to be subbed.
I really hope that Brazil don't win the Cup or the media will be even more insufferable than they already are. I personally can't stand the whole Brazil thing although I suppose it's typical media sycophancy although they're not quite at the same level with the previously successful Germans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 6:20:59 GMT
Not at all but the reaction by Neymar was ridiculous and cheating. Neither were in the right but I’d be embarrassed if we had a player that did that. Do you think his reaction was OK then? So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction? You’re trying to make out there was thought process involved here, there’s countless other examples where Neymar hasn’t been “trodden on” where he’s just acted like a complete and utter cheating twat to gain an advantage. How about getting on with the game as one of the most talented players in world football and sticking two fingers up to the opposition by simply scoring goals and winning the game?
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jul 3, 2018 6:22:55 GMT
He spent more time on his arse rolling around than on his feet. Suarez for Uruguay was as bad holding his head after every ariel challenge trying to stop the game.. both are cheating twats.
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 3, 2018 8:45:11 GMT
Not at all but the reaction by Neymar was ridiculous and cheating. Neither were in the right but I’d be embarrassed if we had a player that did that. Do you think his reaction was OK then? So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction? Which is cause and which is effect? Neymar has the justified reputation for making a mountain range out of a molehill and the way he was thrashing about like he was having a fit was so obviously fake why should any referee take that seriously?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 8:46:46 GMT
So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction? You’re trying to make out there was thought process involved here, there’s countless other examples where Neymar hasn’t been “trodden on” where he’s just acted like a complete and utter cheating twat to gain an advantage. How about getting on with the game as one of the most talented players in world football and sticking two fingers up to the opposition by simply scoring goals and winning the game? Yes and I'm discussing THIS specific example. I've already said it was theatrical and over the top but he was attempting to draw attention to a snidy, underhand piece of violent conduct and the very fact that it ultimately went unpunished, demonstrates why he felt he needed to react in that way. What Nayun did was disgusting and you want a player just to accept it and shrug his shoulders? Even Clattenburg said it should have been a straight red for premeditated violent conduct. www.joe.co.uk/sport/neymar-reaction-187511
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 8:48:17 GMT
So you think Nayun SHOULD have been punished for his slimy, underhand tactics but the very fact that he actually WASN'T, doesn't that in itself, prove that Neymar was absolutely correct in believing that he wouldn't ultimately ever get justice ... hence his reaction? Which is cause and which is effect? Neymar has the justified reputation for making a mountain range out of a molehill and the way he was thrashing about like he was having a fit was so obviously fake why should any referee take that seriously? As a result of his reaction the referee went to VAR, he DID take it seriously.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 3, 2018 9:17:44 GMT
You’re trying to make out there was thought process involved here, there’s countless other examples where Neymar hasn’t been “trodden on” where he’s just acted like a complete and utter cheating twat to gain an advantage. How about getting on with the game as one of the most talented players in world football and sticking two fingers up to the opposition by simply scoring goals and winning the game? Yes and I'm discussing THIS specific example. I've already said it was theatrical and over the top but he was attempting to draw attention to a snidy, underhand piece of violent conduct and the very fact that it ultimately went unpunished, demonstrates why he felt he needed to react in that way. What Nayun did was disgusting and you want a player just to accept it and shrug his shoulders? Even Clattenburg said it should have been a straight red for premeditated violent conduct. www.joe.co.uk/sport/neymar-reaction-187511Agreed. What Neymar did was embarrassing but the reaction to it has been way OTT and Layun should have been sent off for violent conduct. We seem to treat diving and playacting as, bizarrely, the most unforgivable of sins on here because it's not as manly or macho a form of cheating as shirt tugging or a late tackle that removes someone's spleen in the process. It's annoying, it's unedifying and it's an infuriating piece of cheating, but I don't see how it's 'killing the game' any more than any other act of cheating, of which there are legion, and of which we ourselves over the years have got all huffy and indignant about anyone drawing attention to when we've partaken in them?
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Post by Absolution on Jul 3, 2018 9:20:19 GMT
It’s the sort of reaction which which, along with his painfully bad backward fall in the previous game, will make any referee think more than twice about giving him any decision where there’s a smidgeon of doubt as to what’s gone on. I really, really hope it costs them the World Cup.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 3, 2018 9:45:53 GMT
Absolutely disgusting, what a wanker.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 3, 2018 9:49:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 10:27:43 GMT
You’re trying to make out there was thought process involved here, there’s countless other examples where Neymar hasn’t been “trodden on” where he’s just acted like a complete and utter cheating twat to gain an advantage. How about getting on with the game as one of the most talented players in world football and sticking two fingers up to the opposition by simply scoring goals and winning the game? Yes and I'm discussing THIS specific example. I've already said it was theatrical and over the top but he was attempting to draw attention to a snidy, underhand piece of violent conduct and the very fact that it ultimately went unpunished, demonstrates why he felt he needed to react in that way. What Nayun did was disgusting and you want a player just to accept it and shrug his shoulders? Even Clattenburg said it should have been a straight red for premeditated violent conduct. www.joe.co.uk/sport/neymar-reaction-187511And I'm saying that despite you making out that he thought through his actions in a desperate plea to draw attention to him being wronged, that's actually just his natural reaction whatever the scenario because he's a cheating cheating bastard. So based on the evidence of his actions during his career to date I'm coming to the conclusion that you're giving him way too much credit. And the story of the boy who cried wolf springs to mind........
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Post by ProctorDre on Jul 3, 2018 10:30:04 GMT
I'd love to see his reaction to stepping on a piece of lego...
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 3, 2018 10:34:00 GMT
If we're going to talk about basic decency in sport, I think referees need to be strong enough to give players red cards for this sort of behaviour:
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 10:37:48 GMT
Yes and I'm discussing THIS specific example. I've already said it was theatrical and over the top but he was attempting to draw attention to a snidy, underhand piece of violent conduct and the very fact that it ultimately went unpunished, demonstrates why he felt he needed to react in that way. What Nayun did was disgusting and you want a player just to accept it and shrug his shoulders? Even Clattenburg said it should have been a straight red for premeditated violent conduct. www.joe.co.uk/sport/neymar-reaction-187511And I'm saying that despite you making out that he thought through his actions in a desperate plea to draw attention to him being wronged, that's actually just his natural reaction whatever the scenario because he's a cheating cheating bastard. So based on the evidence of actions in his career to date I'm coming to the conclusion that you're giving him way too much credit...... I've already said TWICE now that I thought it was theatrical and over the top. However I think this one is different, he was on the ground, half off the pitch, minding his own business and ANOTHER player instigated the entire thing, in a very discrete and underhand manner. If Neymar hadn't have reacted like he did, then I don't think the referee would have even noticed that the incident had occurred.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 10:39:59 GMT
And I'm saying that despite you making out that he thought through his actions in a desperate plea to draw attention to him being wronged, that's actually just his natural reaction whatever the scenario because he's a cheating cheating bastard. So based on the evidence of actions in his career to date I'm coming to the conclusion that you're giving him way too much credit...... I've already said TWICE now that I thought it was theatrical and over the top. However I think this one is different, he was on the ground, half off the pitch, minding his own business and ANOTHER player instigated the entire thing, in a very discrete and underhand manner. If Neymar hadn't have reacted like he did, then I don't think the referee would have even noticed that the incident had occurred. Don't roll around on the floor for absolutely no reason and constantly act like a twat, and referees might believe you more often when there is a genuine issue. It really is that simple.........
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 10:45:13 GMT
I've already said TWICE now that I thought it was theatrical and over the top. However I think this one is different, he was on the ground, half off the pitch, minding his own business and ANOTHER player instigated the entire thing, in a very discrete and underhand manner. If Neymar hadn't have reacted like he did, then I don't think the referee would have even noticed that the incident had occurred. Don't roll around on the floor for absolutely no reason and constantly act like a twat, and referees might believe you more often when there is a genuine issue. It really is that simple......... The referee did believe him, that's WHY he went to VAR, specifically BECAUSE of his reaction. The scandal is that it ultimately went unpunished.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 10:50:31 GMT
Don't roll around on the floor for absolutely no reason and constantly act like a twat, and referees might believe you more often when there is a genuine issue. It really is that simple......... The referee did believe him, that's WHY he went to VAR, specifically BECAUSE of his reaction. The scandal is that it ultimately went unpunished. You say scandal, most people will say "so what" If he looks in the mirror and sorts his own behaviour out first and foremost the rest will fall into place.......
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 10:55:55 GMT
The referee did believe him, that's WHY he went to VAR, specifically BECAUSE of his reaction. The scandal is that it ultimately went unpunished. You say scandal, most people will say "so what" If he looks in the mirror and sorts his own behaviour out first and foremost the rest will fall into place....... 'Most' people can say what they like. I thought it was a clear red card.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 11:07:29 GMT
You say scandal, most people will say "so what" If he looks in the mirror and sorts his own behaviour out first and foremost the rest will fall into place....... 'Most' people can say what they like. I thought it was a clear red card. And the officials disagreed. It's all about opinions and it was theirs that mattered on this occasion......
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 3, 2018 11:13:10 GMT
Red card for Nayun? Give it a rest.
What Neymar did was absolutely pathetic and I agree with every bit of vitriol and criticism that has come his way since.
We've got VAR now and one of the reasons it was brought in was to deal with red card incidents. Can't it just be brought to the referees attention and a review carried out?
Either way, absolutely pathetic from Neymar. Similar to the excessive rolling after a foul in the previous game. Don't try and defend it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2018 11:15:25 GMT
'Most' people can say what they like. I thought it was a clear red card. And the officials disagreed. It's all about opinions and it was theirs that mattered on this occasion...... So you're advocating that we should ban discussion about referee's decisions on this message board then? Behave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 11:17:39 GMT
And the officials disagreed. It's all about opinions and it was theirs that mattered on this occasion...... So you're advocating that we should ban discussion about referee's decisions on this message board then? Behave. Think you must have misread my post mate, I wasn't advocating anything of the sort.......
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 3, 2018 11:17:48 GMT
He needs a career threatening tackle in the last minute from a Mexican,give him something to roll around for😡 No, he won't roll around then. He'll come to a dead stop. That's nothing really, the injury may or may not have happened. Fuck him, he's everything that is wrong with football.
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