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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:34:54 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on May 12, 2019 10:59:49 GMT
My fear is Richie isn't a NJ target but yet one of the pizza boys suggestions I think if he signs and he is given a Lengthy contract well into his 30s then that's a clear signal lessons haven't been learnt and the malaise over the club still has a grip on us.
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Post by toppercorner on May 12, 2019 11:03:32 GMT
left sided players .... they're the new central defenders don't cha know
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Post by chigstoke on May 12, 2019 11:03:34 GMT
Now the story has a bit more credibility for me. FWIW, Pete O'Rourke was spot on with a fair bit of our deals this season and about Jones. I reckon if he says it's on the table, it probably is. I like Ritchie but it's not a Jones signing IMO. Unless Jones has given the go ahead to get him if he thinks he can work. We'll see.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 12, 2019 11:11:19 GMT
Ince out, Rich Tea in? I think I'd take that, always liked Richies work rate and he carries a goal threat.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2019 11:18:35 GMT
Only makes any sense if he's coming in to play left-back.
And, granted, he's played there 20-odd times this season in the Prem since December.
He is left-footed, has quality and seems to be very hard-working.
But it's a smallish sample size to show he can play there, particularly in a diamond where his engine is going to be tested more as time goes on
And very big money and very big wages for a bloke who's 30 in September?
Got to be very sceptical that we'd go down that path - it certainly seems Newcastle aren't willing to play ball on a long, bumper deal.
Still lean towards the idea that it's his agent playing games and linking us after our interest last year.
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 12, 2019 11:21:12 GMT
Here we go again - "its not a Jones signing"
Whatever, the man has made it perfectly clear no player is coming into this club without his agreement.
Some of you should stop wittering and stop speaking of what you really no nothing about.
I am not pretending that I do - but I am prepared to accept the bloke's word and let him live or die on the transfer dealings.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2019 11:51:22 GMT
He does say he's loving playing at left wing-back - but would imagine left-back in a back 4 is a different proposition again, especially in a diamond?
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Post by toppercorner on May 12, 2019 11:56:53 GMT
does this mean either mcclean or clucas would be off?
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Post by neddy on May 12, 2019 11:57:27 GMT
He does say he's loving playing at left wing-back - but would imagine left-back in a back 4 is a different proposition again, especially in a diamond? I’m with you FM I think it’s the agent stirring interest.......he just doesn’t fit the diamond full back.
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Post by LGH87 on May 12, 2019 12:12:55 GMT
The only way I can see this being true is if Jones has decided his 3 at the back diamond is the way to go and not the more traditional 4 at the back.
If that’s the case then Ritchie would be an ideal candidate for that lwb role it would seem. If he’s coming in to play left back in a back 4 I’d be extremely sceptical
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 12:14:30 GMT
A fortunate for someone to play out of position would be typical of us. This surprises me less than if we were linked with a promising 22 year old in a position we needed to be perfectly honest.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 12, 2019 12:53:13 GMT
He’d be a brilliant signing 30 or not , great player and attitude , would end brilljant t signal signing but I fancy Rafa will be in the no one leaves until I’ve got a replacement and hence the trail goes cold but he’d be brilliant , however of course we’d need to pull the deal off in the face of serious competition if his availability is public and we dont win those races , I’d seriously pay £30m for him and Gayle and keep selling the current bunch until We’ve recovered the investment
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 13:00:19 GMT
Joe Allen to the Barcodes in a exchange + money deal ?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 13:09:05 GMT
does this mean either mcclean or clucas would be off? Hopefully both.
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Post by slpmarc on May 12, 2019 13:14:06 GMT
Agent talk agent talk agent talk
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Post by Absolution on May 12, 2019 13:28:03 GMT
Wonder if there's any Ndiaye interest from Newcastle. They were linked last season.
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 12, 2019 13:35:43 GMT
He does say he's loving playing at left wing-back - but would imagine left-back in a back 4 is a different proposition again, especially in a diamond? The full backs in a diamond formation will be expected to break forward constantly and offer a real attacking threat so Ritchie would seem ideal in this respect. I’d expect plenty of assists and even a few goals from him.
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Post by Absolution on May 12, 2019 13:41:34 GMT
He does say he's loving playing at left wing-back - but would imagine left-back in a back 4 is a different proposition again, especially in a diamond? The full backs in a diamond formation will be expected to break forward constantly and offer a real attacking threat so Ritchie would seem ideal in this respect. I’d expect plenty of assists and even a few goals from him. He's a quality player, no doubt. My only concern would be how long he could keep going for. The Jones diamond by his own admission requires a lung-busting amount of work from the full backs. This is where Ritchie's age may start to be an impediment. Plucking a figure out of thin air, I'd imagine he'd have to do an extra 20% in a Jones diamond on top of what he'd currently do as a wing back with three central defenders.
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 12, 2019 13:49:48 GMT
The full backs in a diamond formation will be expected to break forward constantly and offer a real attacking threat so Ritchie would seem ideal in this respect. I’d expect plenty of assists and even a few goals from him. He's a quality player, no doubt. My only concern would be how long he could keep going for. The Jones diamond by his own admission requires a lung-busting amount of work from the full backs. This is where Ritchie's age may start to be an impediment. Plucking a figure out of thin air, I'd imagine he'd have to do an extra 20% in a Jones diamond on top of what he'd currently do as a wing back with three central defenders. I’m not too concerned about his age so long as he’s professional and keeps himself fit. It seems like Jones wants the signings in early so he can make sure they’ve got the fitness levels he expects.
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Post by Absolution on May 12, 2019 13:53:40 GMT
He's a quality player, no doubt. My only concern would be how long he could keep going for. The Jones diamond by his own admission requires a lung-busting amount of work from the full backs. This is where Ritchie's age may start to be an impediment. Plucking a figure out of thin air, I'd imagine he'd have to do an extra 20% in a Jones diamond on top of what he'd currently do as a wing back with three central defenders. I’m not too concerned about his age so long as he’s professional and keeps himself fit. It seems like Jones wants the signings in early so he can make sure they’ve got the fitness levels he expects. I'll be honest mate, I'll be excited if the signing happens. It's just a concern I have about his natural stamina at that age - I know he's hardly ancient, but at that age I'd imagine your stamina starts to dip. If it works for long enought to get us promoted then there's no argument from me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 12, 2019 13:54:23 GMT
does this mean either mcclean or clucas would be off? Clucas won't be going anywhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 12, 2019 16:21:04 GMT
does this mean either mcclean or clucas would be off? I'm not a religious person, but I'll still pray for MCClean to be sold!
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Post by lee1982 on May 12, 2019 17:06:32 GMT
If this is true then absolutely nothing has been learned, and despite what Jones says regarding transfers and who has the final say, id say its quite clear certain players are pushed onto the manager. Where is the youth? The energy? The athleticism? Rithcie despite his quality is another ageing pro on a downward curve as far as his career is concerned. If we dont get some serious pace/physicality into this side expect your average teams to run rings around us next season much like this one.
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2019 17:18:44 GMT
If this is true then absolutely nothing has been learned, and despite what Jones says regarding transfers and who has the final say, id say its quite clear certain players are pushed onto the manager. Where is the youth? The energy? The athleticism? Rithcie despite his quality is another ageing pro on a downward curve as far as his career is concerned. If we dont get some serious pace/physicality into this side expect your average teams to run rings around us next season much like this one. Ritchie on a downward curve? He's played virtually all their games whilst playing a hard running role.
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Post by lee1982 on May 12, 2019 18:57:38 GMT
If this is true then absolutely nothing has been learned, and despite what Jones says regarding transfers and who has the final say, id say its quite clear certain players are pushed onto the manager. Where is the youth? The energy? The athleticism? Rithcie despite his quality is another ageing pro on a downward curve as far as his career is concerned. If we dont get some serious pace/physicality into this side expect your average teams to run rings around us next season much like this one. Ritchie on a downward curve? He's played virtually all their games whilst playing a hard running role. is he going to get better? Its the exact sort of signing weve made the mistake of in the past and we need to steer clear off. He’s a name and its a lazy piece of scouting if theres any truth in it. Question for you, would you be happy for him to come in as potentially our marquee signing of the window and potentially be played in a position he’s only recently started to adapt to? Square pegs in round holes arnt so bad when they dont cost the earth.
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Post by Fred Merger on May 12, 2019 19:03:43 GMT
If this is true then absolutely nothing has been learned, and despite what Jones says regarding transfers and who has the final say, id say its quite clear certain players are pushed onto the manager. Where is the youth? The energy? The athleticism? Rithcie despite his quality is another ageing pro on a downward curve as far as his career is concerned. If we dont get some serious pace/physicality into this side expect your average teams to run rings around us next season much like this one. Wouldn't mind a 29 year old Stanley Matthews type signing!
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2019 19:09:17 GMT
Ritchie on a downward curve? He's played virtually all their games whilst playing a hard running role. is he going to get better? Its the exact sort of signing weve made the mistake of in the past and we need to steer clear off. He’s a name and its a lazy piece of scouting if theres any truth in it. Question for you, would you be happy for him to come in as potentially our marquee signing of the window and potentially be played in a position he’s only recently started to adapt to? Square pegs in round holes arnt so bad when they dont cost the earth. Would be absolutely delighted if he signed and played left back all season, yes. To be honest I'm with Fullermagic in suspecting it's agent talk. Presume his agents are doing us a favour re another player.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 19:21:14 GMT
This will never happen.
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