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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 23, 2018 12:39:22 GMT
There was always a feeling amongst Stoke fans that when we were in the Premier League, we were always the first targets whenever there was a clampdown on particular Laws and Regulations or certainly interpretations of them. Whenever new attention was given to certain aspects of the rules by Match Day Officials, Stoke seemed to be the ideal team to use as a test for enforcement of policy changes. This could be anything from a focus on defenders holding in the box to a Manager stepping out of his technical area. Stoke seemed to be an easy target and we were seemingly the first club to be singled out for attention, just to assess reactions and results, rather than treating everyone to the same scrutiny.
Now we are in the Championship perhaps we can play our matches on an equal footing with other big clubs and get potentially fairer treatment. It will be interesting to see if any other clubs in the Premier League are now thought by Referees to easy targets for any clampdown on particular rules. I would love to see Bournemouth pulled up for gamesmanship and time wasting for example.
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Post by innocentbystander on Jun 23, 2018 13:44:11 GMT
Damn.
Backpacking in New Guinea in the 1980s I ran into a singsing, a mass tribal gathering involving roasting pigs in a pit of hot rocks and banana leaves. Dress code was arse grass,feathers and penis gourds.
Its a subject that rarely crops up on this messageboard.
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2018 14:31:10 GMT
Damn. Backpacking in New Guinea in the 1980s I ran into a singsing, a mass tribal gathering involving roasting pigs in a pit of hot rocks and banana leaves. Dress code was arse grass,feathers and penis gourds. Its a subject that rarely crops up on this messageboard. Sounds like a night at Chicos. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 23, 2018 14:45:46 GMT
Damn. Backpacking in New Guinea in the 1980s I ran into a singsing, a mass tribal gathering involving roasting pigs in a pit of hot rocks and banana leaves. Dress code was arse grass,feathers and penis gourds. Its a subject that rarely crops up on this messageboard. Sounds like a night at Chicos. Sounds like me the first night if I get left on my own. By the second day though I’ve gone feral and It resembles cannibal holocaust. Then when everyone comes back they have to look at ways of inter grating me into society like some form of chell heath mowgli minus the Disney sound track. |
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Post by enuntio on Jun 23, 2018 14:54:55 GMT
Damn. Backpacking in New Guinea in the 1980s I ran into a singsing, a mass tribal gathering involving roasting pigs in a pit of hot rocks and banana leaves. Dress code was arse grass,feathers and penis gourds. Its a subject that rarely crops up on this messageboard. Classic ;-) |
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Post by walrus on Jun 23, 2018 16:08:30 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 23, 2018 16:22:16 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. While I agree with your general point, I don't think it is strictly true. In the "Delap Years", Rory must have put around 1,000 long throws into the penalty area. We were penalised probably 300+ times for pushing, holding etc. The opposition were penalised exactly zero times.  |
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Post by StoKeith on Jun 23, 2018 20:28:15 GMT
Damn. Backpacking in New Guinea in the 1980s I ran into a singsing, a mass tribal gathering involving roasting pigs in a pit of hot rocks and banana leaves. Dress code was arse grass,feathers and penis gourds. Its a subject that rarely crops up on this messageboard. It wasn’t longpig was it?  |
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2018 20:34:45 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. It’s not recent. As long as I can remember there has been a victim complex. |
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2018 20:47:29 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. While I agree with your general point, I don't think it is strictly true. In the "Delap Years", Rory must have put around 1,000 long throws into the penalty area. We were penalised probably 300+ times for pushing, holding etc. The opposition were penalised exactly zero times. Back that up with some proof. Delay years = 3 or 4 years * 30 games means, according to your “stats”, he must have put in an average of 8-10 throws into the box each game. I don’t believe 30 % of them resulted in free kicks. Meanwhile, from various set pieces in the other games in our division, 380 a year * 4 years = about 1500 games with an average of say 10 set pieces, - fifteen thousand opportunities, not a single player got booked. |
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Post by AlliG on Jun 24, 2018 10:04:47 GMT
While I agree with your general point, I don't think it is strictly true. In the "Delap Years", Rory must have put around 1,000 long throws into the penalty area. We were penalised probably 300+ times for pushing, holding etc. The opposition were penalised exactly zero times. Back that up with some proof. Delay years = 3 or 4 years * 30 games means, according to your “stats”, he must have put in an average of 8-10 throws into the box each game. I don’t believe 30 % of them resulted in free kicks. Meanwhile, from various set pieces in the other games in our division, 380 a year * 4 years = about 1500 games with an average of say 10 set pieces, - fifteen thousand opportunities, not a single player got booked. That's easy. How many penalties were Stoke awarded as a direct result of a long throw. Nil, zero, diddly squat...... The number of fouls conceded by Stoke is a bit of a finger in the air job but with all the pushing, shoving and holding we were regularly penalised (which I am sure TP accepted as part of the process) and anything between 10 & 50% (depending on the referee) ended up with a free kick being awarded. Rory played 178 games for Stoke and around 6 long throws per game is not unreasonable. Several years ago someone posted the OPTA stats for his Stoke career which were round about the above figure. (I can't find the link now) I have found the attached from an article in 2010 Rory Delap’s last five games: vs Wolves: Passes – 16; Throw ins – 27 vs Hull: Passes – 8; Throw ins – 12 vs West Ham: Passes – 8; Throw ins – 17 vs Spurs: Passes – 23; Throw ins – 10 vs Villa: Passes – 12; Throw ins – 20 Total: Passes – 67; Throw ins – 86 Not all of those would have been into the penalty area but................. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 24, 2018 10:08:22 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the very next game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in the box and he didnt do a thing about it. |
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 24, 2018 10:15:55 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the vey nex game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in te box and he didnt do a thing about it. I remember this clearly. Interestingly, when we were leaving the Spurs Home game last season and walking back with a couple of Spurs fans they were very much of the opinion that the referee let far too much go. We left furious that the referee pandered to Danny Rose rolling round like a fairy each time he was breathed on. They felt like we assaulted him every time got the ball and said “poor Danny Rose was being kicked all over the place”. Strange how other fans see things. It’s like the ‘top 6’ expect extra protection. They seem to get it most of the time. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jun 24, 2018 10:17:37 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the vey nex game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in te box and he didnt do a thing about it. Vs Swansea I think. |
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Post by cooper67 on Jun 24, 2018 10:29:29 GMT
Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the vey nex game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in te box and he didnt do a thing about it. Vs Swansea I think. Didn't we get one not long after for one of their forwards blocked one of our players at a corner? |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jun 24, 2018 12:15:29 GMT
Didn't we get one not long after for one of their forwards blocked one of our players at a corner? Man city? |
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Post by walrus on Jun 24, 2018 17:21:43 GMT
We were treated no differently to anyone else. Hopefully now we’re in the Championship we can shed ourselves of the ridiculous victim complex that has dogged our fan base in recent years. Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the very next game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in the box and he didnt do a thing about it. I do remember this, but I have no reason to believe that isolated incidents that can be simply explained by human error are symptomatic of an anti-Stoke conspiracy by the powers that be, and nor does anyone else. I 100% believe that the standard of refereeing in the Premier League is at times poor, and that we have sometimes suffered from it. I also 100% believe that referees at times get influenced more than they should be by player reputations and the atmosphere at matches. But I don’t for a second believe that any referee or group of referees, with official sanction or otherwise, has set out with the intention of treating Stoke any differently to any other team. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 24, 2018 17:51:43 GMT
Didn't we get one not long after for one of their forwards blocked one of our players at a corner? Man city? Yep it was sterling on shawcross if I remember |
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Post by bloody56 on Jun 24, 2018 19:27:02 GMT
Yep it was sterling on shawcross if I remember It was only given after the other officials asked at half time why he gave man city a penalty but not Stoke? Sterling wasn't doing anything in the second half that he hadn't done for every Stoke corner in the first half. See highlights of match. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 25, 2018 11:32:07 GMT
It is a fairly long time since we were in the Championship and I don't really recall a lot about the standard of refereeing. However I would anticipate a less professional or observant approach by officials, as compared to the Premier League (if that is possible) My fear is that referees might be weaker and more easily swayed by fan pressure at away games, though others might be out to "make a name for themselves" by giving strong but Controvercial decisions, just because it is Stoke, especially in televised games, because we are now a big name.
Also what goes and what is true in the top division can easily influence approaches lower down the league. So for those of us who might have a persecution complex, expect more of the same!
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Post by retired1 on Jun 25, 2018 11:36:26 GMT
It was all just victim mentalility in my view. Poor Stoke get singled out. Watching the Panamanian players made me think they must have spent lots of time watching Shawcross and Huth back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 18:56:34 GMT
Dont you remember Shawcross getting a penalty against him for holding in the box after it was highlighted in the media, and then the very next game that the referee Oliver reffed, Man Utd v Chelsea, was like an all in wrestling match in the box and he didnt do a thing about it. I do remember this, but I have no reason to believe that isolated incidents that can be simply explained by human error are symptomatic of an anti-Stoke conspiracy by the powers that be, and nor does anyone else. I 100% believe that the standard of refereeing in the Premier League is at times poor, and that we have sometimes suffered from it. I also 100% believe that referees at times get influenced more than they should be by player reputations and the atmosphere at matches. But I don’t for a second believe that any referee or group of referees, with official sanction or otherwise, has set out with the intention of treating Stoke any differently to any other team. Agreed re being deliberately biased against us However....... They often gave decisions the way of the top 6 Re quality of referees in premier league....how many at the world cup? 🤔 Zero...that's how good they are! 😁 |
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