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Post by JetBlack on Jun 22, 2018 17:52:29 GMT
Bit of a daft question with 6 weeks still to go before the season kicks off. It seems none of our rivals in the Champs have made any signings or departures other than Forest who have spent 15m on a Portuguese guy who has played a couple of games for Benfica. So how can anyone make predictions at this stage. The only thing that's apparent is that there are 3 rookie managers in teams expected to be in the top half who could be great or simply hopeless. I think this is pretty spot on.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 22, 2018 18:02:35 GMT
Pre May-2013 - manage expectations, OK to be lower than a snakes belly. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - expectations through the roof. May -2018 - back to managing expectations, free hits all round. I expect promotion. End of. You could do one of those for yourself, Pugs. Pre May 2013 - I'm going to moan my bag off about everything, find fault in any tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough for me. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - Make excuses for everything that goes wrong, accuse everyone else of having an agenda. May 2018 onwards - Back to moaning my bag off about everything, find fault in every tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough. It's getting boring already, mate. Have we really got to suffer you in this mode again for all of Rowett's time here? That's really good mate, next time could you make it factually correct like mine? x
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Post by dadger on Jun 22, 2018 18:28:57 GMT
For me sheff Utd and boro
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Post by blackpoolred on Jun 22, 2018 18:35:47 GMT
For me Leeds and Derby. Leeds - because they have a good manager and look like spending big. If they get Foden they could be very strong. Derby - Lampard - not because he’s a good manager but because he’ll pull a few strings and up with a team of the country’s best young players. Without sounding like I’m bleating I don’t agree with the number of loans your allowed in the Championship. Boro will be strong again also but I’m feeling really positive about us this season. Good manager looking to bring in some very good players. Is it Leeds/Derby in a relegation battle or do you mean promotion? I suspect we have a lot of youngish supporters who joined us in our prem days and probably think all we have to do is turn up next year to bounce straight back to the prem. For me the top half of the championship is as good as the bottom half of the prem of which we were unable to compete in last year. We have a lot more outgoings/incomings before the season starts and will probably start this season with quite a few changes to our starting eleven. I personally would not complain if we did as well as Villa have done this season, but am hoping we don't do a Sunderland. Our new manager inherited a club that was rotten to the core and is going to need time and patience to turn it around. It all depends on who we can bring in, it will have to be a lot for us to be playoff contenders, and whether he can get them playing as a team from the start of the season, but that is a big ask when the turnover of staff could be extensive. There are so many variables going into the new season that it is hard to predict how our season will pan out. At the end of last season all I could see was a straight drop through to tier 3 as everybody departed, but it has been heartwarming to see players like Shawcross & Allen pledging their future to us - these are just the type of characters we need and can build a team around - as it stands though, unless we get 4 or 5 more quality signings in, we are not going to feature in the automatic promotion positions and even if we manage to get that quality on board they will need time to gel. For me no chance of auto promotion, hoping for some promising signs and maybe play-offs and the pre-season so far is a laying some of my fears of a drop to tier 3
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 22, 2018 18:39:04 GMT
For me Leeds and Derby. Leeds - because they have a good manager and look like spending big. If they get Foden they could be very strong. Derby - Lampard - not because he’s a good manager but because he’ll pull a few strings and up with a team of the country’s best young players. Without sounding like I’m bleating I don’t agree with the number of loans your allowed in the Championship. Boro will be strong again also but I’m feeling really positive about us this season. Good manager looking to bring in some very good players. Is it Leeds/Derby in a relegation battle or do you mean promotion? I suspect we have a lot of youngish supporters who joined us in our prem days and probably think all we have to do is turn up next year to bounce straight back to the prem. For me the top half of the championship is as good as the bottom half of the prem of which we were unable to compete in last year. We have a lot more outgoings/incomings before the season starts and will probably start this season with quite a few changes to our starting eleven. I personally would not complain if we did as well as Villa have done this season, but am hoping we don't do a Sunderland. Our new manager inherited a club that was rotten to the core and is going to need time and patience to turn it around. It all depends on who we can bring in, it will have to be a lot for us to be playoff contenders, and whether he can get them playing as a team from the start of the season, but that is a big ask when the turnover of staff could be extensive. There are so many variables going into the new season that it is hard to predict how our season will pan out. At the end of last season all I could see was a straight drop through to tier 3 as everybody departed, but it has been heartwarming to see players like Shawcross & Allen pledging their future to us - these are just the type of characters we need and can build a team around - as it stands though, unless we get 4 or 5 more quality signings in, we are not going to feature in the automatic promotion positions and even if we manage to get that quality on board they will need time to gel. For me no chance of auto promotion, hoping for some promising signs and maybe play-offs and the pre-season so far is a laying some of my fears of a drop to tier 3 Lol.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jun 22, 2018 20:59:27 GMT
Half the league usually compete for promotion/play offs in the championship .
Which makes it a lot more interesting than the prem
I am expecting 2018/ 19 to be business as usual , with half the league competing for the play offs
I think we will be in the pack , I can't see stoke or anyone else doing a wolves and racing clear
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Post by BuzzB on Jun 22, 2018 23:09:05 GMT
Welcome to the championship ! Welcome to HELLand road ! A 3-0 win for Leeds on the opening weekend in front of a full house with the tiny stoke following in the naughty boys corner , humiliation in front of the sky media MARCHING ON It's a long time since you dirty bastards did any Marching on. We are the bigger club these days and that will show if we are in the hunt for the same players. Most Stoke fans are under no illusions as to how difficult it is for teams who have just been relegated but we certainly won't be dreading a trip back to the 70's when we visit Elland road, because I don't know if you were about when we were last slumming it in the lower divisions with you, but if you were you might remember that we handed your filthy arses to you on a big fuck off 14" dinner plate like the one that Alan Partridge used to carry around with him, and all this in the so called Helland Road ha ha, quality retort Vinny, thats sending me to bed laughing my bag off
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Post by Gods on Jun 22, 2018 23:35:38 GMT
For me Leeds and Derby. Leeds - because they have a good manager and look like spending big. If they get Foden they could be very strong. Derby - Lampard - not because he’s a good manager but because he’ll pull a few strings and up with a team of the country’s best young players. Without sounding like I’m bleating I don’t agree with the number of loans your allowed in the Championship. Boro will be strong again also but I’m feeling really positive about us this season. Good manager looking to bring in some very good players. Is it Leeds/Derby in a relegation battle or do you mean promotion? I suspect we have a lot of youngish supporters who joined us in our prem days and probably think all we have to do is turn up next year to bounce straight back to the prem. For me the top half of the championship is as good as the bottom half of the prem of which we were unable to compete in last year. We have a lot more outgoings/incomings before the season starts and will probably start this season with quite a few changes to our starting eleven. I personally would not complain if we did as well as Villa have done this season, but am hoping we don't do a Sunderland. Our new manager inherited a club that was rotten to the core and is going to need time and patience to turn it around. It all depends on who we can bring in, it will have to be a lot for us to be playoff contenders, and whether he can get them playing as a team from the start of the season, but that is a big ask when the turnover of staff could be extensive. There are so many variables going into the new season that it is hard to predict how our season will pan out. At the end of last season all I could see was a straight drop through to tier 3 as everybody departed, but it has been heartwarming to see players like Shawcross & Allen pledging their future to us - these are just the type of characters we need and can build a team around - as it stands though, unless we get 4 or 5 more quality signings in, we are not going to feature in the automatic promotion positions and even if we manage to get that quality on board they will need time to gel. For me no chance of auto promotion, hoping for some promising signs and maybe play-offs and the pre-season so far is a laying some of my fears of a drop to tier 3 That's about where I'm at. I think we may finish about half way.
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Post by adi on Jun 22, 2018 23:49:30 GMT
Pre May-2013 - manage expectations, OK to be lower than a snakes belly. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - expectations through the roof. May -2018 - back to managing expectations, free hits all round. I expect promotion. End of. You could do one of those for yourself, Pugs. Pre May 2013 - I'm going to moan my bag off about everything, find fault in any tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough for me. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - Make excuses for everything that goes wrong, accuse everyone else of having an agenda. May 2018 onwards - Back to moaning my bag off about everything, find fault in every tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough. It's getting boring already, mate. Have we really got to suffer you in this mode again for all of Rowett's time here? Do you really care enough to take notice of another anonymous persons posts to have an opinion??? I wouldn’t worry, and just let them blow themselves out. Then move on and contribute as and when.
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Post by boothenender on Jun 23, 2018 0:27:14 GMT
Derby or Boro. Both are strong teams with good leadership. Fat Frank will be pulling a few strings. I can't remember the Boro managers name but i heard that he is a crafty bugger. Leeds with march on in to the wilderness once again. Their new manager will be gone after 12 games same as all the other poor buggers. Leeds job is a bit like the England managers job.... Too much hype and expectation from poor deluded souls that believe any shite that they are told. I work and live amongst them, all they speak about is footy hooliganism and Don Revie. Get ready for England fans causing trouble at the Belgium game. I have heard that this is when some of Leeds " finest" are going out to watch England in the World Cup.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 23, 2018 1:06:22 GMT
Pre May-2013 - manage expectations, OK to be lower than a snakes belly. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - expectations through the roof. May -2018 - back to managing expectations, free hits all round. I expect promotion. End of. You could do one of those for yourself, Pugs. Pre May 2013 - I'm going to moan my bag off about everything, find fault in any tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough for me. May 2013 - Jan 2018 - Make excuses for everything that goes wrong, accuse everyone else of having an agenda. May 2018 onwards - Back to moaning my bag off about everything, find fault in every tiny detail, nothing will ever be good enough. It's getting boring already, mate. Have we really got to suffer you in this mode again for all of Rowett's time here? Spot on that. He's so transparent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 4:24:01 GMT
Looking at the Leeds and Brentford forums to view there thoughts on the opening two games involving us, everybody will want to see us beat this season. We're seen as the new boys, the big boys and a big game.
They're hoping we come out with the attitude of all's we need to do is turn up and we'll get the 3 points, which is exactly where they'll whack us and take our feet from under us. That's what they are hoping for anyway.
For me we should not be favourites. We're still lacking that one striker who can smash high into double figures. The kind of striker who is the difference between winning or drawing which would then be the difference between the top two or pushing for the playoffs.
For me I expect West brom and boro to be there about's. You always get a surprise package in the championship so I'll go Bristol City as my outsiders.
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 5:53:44 GMT
Bet365 promotions odds: 2/1 Stoke 5/2 WBA 3/1 Middlesboro 10/3 Swans 4/1 Leeds 9/1 Villa Funny that the 1st 3 clubs are TP's current and previous 2 clubs ! Where are palace? PL
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 23, 2018 7:52:56 GMT
For me Leeds and Derby. Leeds - because they have a good manager and look like spending big. If they get Foden they could be very strong. Derby - Lampard - not because he’s a good manager but because he’ll pull a few strings and up with a team of the country’s best young players. Without sounding like I’m bleating I don’t agree with the number of loans your allowed in the Championship. Boro will be strong again also but I’m feeling really positive about us this season. Good manager looking to bring in some very good players. Is it Leeds/Derby in a relegation battle or do you mean promotion? I suspect we have a lot of youngish supporters who joined us in our prem days and probably think all we have to do is turn up next year to bounce straight back to the prem. For me the top half of the championship is as good as the bottom half of the prem of which we were unable to compete in last year. We have a lot more outgoings/incomings before the season starts and will probably start this season with quite a few changes to our starting eleven. I personally would not complain if we did as well as Villa have done this season, but am hoping we don't do a Sunderland. Our new manager inherited a club that was rotten to the core and is going to need time and patience to turn it around. It all depends on who we can bring in, it will have to be a lot for us to be playoff contenders, and whether he can get them playing as a team from the start of the season, but that is a big ask when the turnover of staff could be extensive. There are so many variables going into the new season that it is hard to predict how our season will pan out. At the end of last season all I could see was a straight drop through to tier 3 as everybody departed, but it has been heartwarming to see players like Shawcross & Allen pledging their future to us - these are just the type of characters we need and can build a team around - as it stands though, unless we get 4 or 5 more quality signings in, we are not going to feature in the automatic promotion positions and even if we manage to get that quality on board they will need time to gel. For me no chance of auto promotion, hoping for some promising signs and maybe play-offs and the pre-season so far is a laying some of my fears of a drop to tier 3 First game 77 v Leicester and 100’s since. I’m not saying we have the right to go up at all and know it won’t be easy but we need to aim high. The early signs are promising and there seems a lot of clubs who won’t be able to compete with us financially and need to sell so why shouldn’t be in with a shout. At no point have I said we’re ace and everyone else is rubbish. All I’ve said is who’ll be our biggest rivals. The club do seem to have got there mojo back so what’s wrong with feeling confident. Good new manager Looks like a lot of our defence will be staying Joe Allen new contract Etebo looks a steal Money to spend Afobe signing Appear to be targeting the right type of player Getting rid of the problem players out of the club and bringing a unity back
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 23, 2018 16:00:38 GMT
I just hope no one in the club is asking that question - if they are we are in big trouble.
Our biggest rival is whoever we are playing on the day. Our biggest enemy will be our own arrogance and complacency.
10 years in the Premiership and a money bags owner means nothing if we can't build a team that's going to battle like every game is a cup final. It might happen - but given the shambles of last season it's far more likely we won't turn it round sufficiently to put in a serious challenge in a very tough league.
Having said that I'm really looking forward to the new season...
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Post by mrred on Jun 23, 2018 16:58:08 GMT
Leeds are just another Emperors new trousers. Bielsa will probably be sacked at half time during our game and their normal managerial revolving door can continue. Welcome to the championship ! Welcome to HELLand road ! A 3-0 win for Leeds on the opening weekend in front of a full house with the tiny stoke following in the naughty boys corner , humiliation in front of the sky media MARCHING ON Judging by your post, you won't have seen Leeds in the Premiership/ division 1. Stay in school lad. Helland road. The fucking state of that. Hahahahaha
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Post by thongs on Jun 23, 2018 17:50:15 GMT
Has to be and always will be West Brom for me
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 23, 2018 22:40:49 GMT
Is it Leeds/Derby in a relegation battle or do you mean promotion? I suspect we have a lot of youngish supporters who joined us in our prem days and probably think all we have to do is turn up next year to bounce straight back to the prem. For me the top half of the championship is as good as the bottom half of the prem of which we were unable to compete in last year. We have a lot more outgoings/incomings before the season starts and will probably start this season with quite a few changes to our starting eleven. I personally would not complain if we did as well as Villa have done this season, but am hoping we don't do a Sunderland. Our new manager inherited a club that was rotten to the core and is going to need time and patience to turn it around. It all depends on who we can bring in, it will have to be a lot for us to be playoff contenders, and whether he can get them playing as a team from the start of the season, but that is a big ask when the turnover of staff could be extensive. There are so many variables going into the new season that it is hard to predict how our season will pan out. At the end of last season all I could see was a straight drop through to tier 3 as everybody departed, but it has been heartwarming to see players like Shawcross & Allen pledging their future to us - these are just the type of characters we need and can build a team around - as it stands though, unless we get 4 or 5 more quality signings in, we are not going to feature in the automatic promotion positions and even if we manage to get that quality on board they will need time to gel. For me no chance of auto promotion, hoping for some promising signs and maybe play-offs and the pre-season so far is a laying some of my fears of a drop to tier 3 That's about where I'm at. I think we may finish about half way. If we finish half way Rowett should be sacked. Honestly, wtf is wrong with people?
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Post by Gods on Jun 23, 2018 23:38:01 GMT
That's about where I'm at. I think we may finish about half way. If we finish half way Rowett should be sacked. Honestly, wtf is wrong with people? I don't know what's wrong with people or even which people have something wrong with them but that's where I am guessing we will finish, about half way, we can compare notes after 10 games if you like?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2018 10:05:55 GMT
If we finish half way Rowett should be sacked. Honestly, wtf is wrong with people? I don't know what's wrong with people or even which people have something wrong with them but that's where I am guessing we will finish, about half way, we can compare notes after 10 games if you like? After last season and the track record of teams going back up at the first attempt it's far more likely we'll end up mid table than top 2. That's just the reality of our situation. To expect us to go up is arrogant and unrealistic. It's what happens to fans who spend too much time in the Premiership bubble - they lose their sense of perspective.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2018 11:44:00 GMT
I don't know what's wrong with people or even which people have something wrong with them but that's where I am guessing we will finish, about half way, we can compare notes after 10 games if you like? After last season and the track record of teams going back up at the first attempt it's far more likely we'll end up mid table than top 2. That's just the reality of our situation. To expect us to go up is arrogant and unrealistic. It's what happens to fans who spend too much time in the Premiership bubble - they lose their sense of perspective. We're spending more money than most, we're keeping PL players and we have a new manager who is supposed to be the real deal. You expect, and by the sounds of it you'll be happy with, mid table. Unbelievable.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2018 11:46:37 GMT
I expect a promotion challenge.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 24, 2018 11:57:43 GMT
Money matters and I think WBA will be there or there abouts with the help of the parachute payments and player sales.
I don’t think we can write off Tone having had some time to build his team, the question they will have is whether they can get enough goals.
Leeds and Bielsa, who knows. Highly regarded but the Championship is a dog fight, would Pep, Klopp, Pouch be able to gain promotion with limited resources?
I don’t think Derby will be near, I put their success last year down to GR and his pragmatic approach.
I’m also sceptical on Forest, I don’t think they’ll be knocking on the door, comparisons with Wolves are a long way off for me but if they buy better who knows.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2018 17:43:54 GMT
After last season and the track record of teams going back up at the first attempt it's far more likely we'll end up mid table than top 2. That's just the reality of our situation. To expect us to go up is arrogant and unrealistic. It's what happens to fans who spend too much time in the Premiership bubble - they lose their sense of perspective. We're spending more money than most, we're keeping PL players and we have a new manager who is supposed to be the real deal. You expect, and by the sounds of it you'll be happy with, mid table. Unbelievable. I won't be "happy" with mid table but if it happens it won't surprise me so I won't be "unhappy" if it pans out that way. I'll just see it for what it is - a likely outcome of our situation. Expecting to win the league and being unhappy if we don't is just setting yourself up for a fall. It's almost like you want to be unhappy - which is fine but don't expect everyone else to follow you down that rabbit hole. There be dragons, And a prescription for Prozac.
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Post by pulisfan on Jun 24, 2018 18:26:44 GMT
I think the whole idea that we will be challenging for promotion is laughable.
We were outplayed by the likes of Bristol City who were nowhere near the play offs and we will start the season without two of our best players from last season - Shaqiri and Butland. We will have a set of individuals who will need to be moulded into a team. The aim will be to stay up - our rivals will be the likes of Rotherham and Birmingham.
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Post by pulisfan on Jun 24, 2018 18:31:38 GMT
After last season and the track record of teams going back up at the first attempt it's far more likely we'll end up mid table than top 2. That's just the reality of our situation. To expect us to go up is arrogant and unrealistic. It's what happens to fans who spend too much time in the Premiership bubble - they lose their sense of perspective. We're spending more money than most, we're keeping PL players and we have a new manager who is supposed to be the real deal. You expect, and by the sounds of it you'll be happy with, mid table. Unbelievable. We should be happy with staying up given how much better mid table Championship teams were better than us last season. Middlesbrough must go close under TP and they will take 6 points from us comfortably.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2018 18:32:41 GMT
I think the whole idea that we will be challenging for promotion is laughable. We were outplayed by the likes of Bristol City who were nowhere near the play offs and we will start the season without two of our best players from last season - Shaqiri and Butland. We will have a set of individuals who will need to be moulded into a team. The aim will be to stay up - our rivals will be the likes of Rotherham and Birmingham. Obviously a piss take.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:34:59 GMT
We're spending more money than most, we're keeping PL players and we have a new manager who is supposed to be the real deal. You expect, and by the sounds of it you'll be happy with, mid table. Unbelievable. We should be happy with staying up given how much better mid table Championship teams were better than us last season. Middlesbrough must go close under TP and they will take 6 points from us comfortably. Your love for Pulis is just weird.
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Post by pulisfan on Jun 24, 2018 18:43:24 GMT
I think the whole idea that we will be challenging for promotion is laughable. We were outplayed by the likes of Bristol City who were nowhere near the play offs and we will start the season without two of our best players from last season - Shaqiri and Butland. We will have a set of individuals who will need to be moulded into a team. The aim will be to stay up - our rivals will be the likes of Rotherham and Birmingham. Obviously a piss take. No. Let's just say you have been proved very wrong before fella.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2018 18:46:47 GMT
No. Let's just say you have been proved very wrong before fella. What on earth are you on about?
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