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Post by bozlemandy on Jun 19, 2018 10:54:42 GMT
Reckon runners up play Poland in last16 then either Switzerland or Mexico in QF.
Winners play Columbia? then either Brazil or Germany in QF.
Or have I misread the pathway to the final?
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jun 19, 2018 10:59:42 GMT
I've looked at it myself.
Bottom line is, once you get out of the group there is no easy games
We've seen the big boys all falter and we nearly did last night.
Take it one game at a time and try not to get to excited!
FOOTBALLS COMING HOME !!!!
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Post by philb on Jun 19, 2018 11:39:20 GMT
I've looked at it myself. Bottom line is, once you get out of the group there is no easy games We've seen the big boys all falter and we nearly did last night. Take it one game at a time and try not to get to excited! FOOTBALLS COMING HOME !!!! Yes we thought we had an easy route 2 years ago at the Euro’s and look what happened there! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 11:40:52 GMT
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Post by samba :) on Jun 19, 2018 12:00:13 GMT
Id rather win all 3 games and not be concerned by who we would be playing
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 19, 2018 12:07:55 GMT
Runners-up spot looking even better now - with potentially Colombia missing out on top spot.
Could be looking at Senegal/Poland and then Mexico/Switzerland/Serbia to get to the semis?
Looks a lot more attractive than potentially Colombia and then Brazil/Germany!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jun 19, 2018 12:13:36 GMT
Reckon runners up play Poland in last16 then either Switzerland or Mexico in QF. Winners play Columbia? then either Brazil or Germany in QF. Or have I misread the pathway to the final? Mexico will now win their group. Which means if Brazil win theirs then Germany and Brazil will have to play each other in the first knockout game. That's a bonus for the rest of the teams in the tournament. However if we finish top of the group then we'll have to play the winners of that tie, whereas if we finish second in our group then we'd play the winner of what will probably be Mexico or Switzerland. (All if we were to beat either Poland or Colombia from the last group). We could avoid playing any of the "best" teams in the world until the semi final, either Argentina or Spain/ Portugal. No easy games are easy after the Panama one though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 12:14:54 GMT
Hilarious. You watch this is the tournament that we win the group.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 19, 2018 12:15:21 GMT
Predictions in football are just that.
We don't know what will happen, no side is going to roll over.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 19, 2018 12:21:03 GMT
Reckon runners up play Poland in last16 then either Switzerland or Mexico in QF. Winners play Columbia? then either Brazil or Germany in QF. Or have I misread the pathway to the final? Mexico will now win their group. Which means if Brazil win theirs then Germany and Brazil will have to play each other in the first knockout game. That's a bonus for the rest of the teams in the tournament. However if we finish top of the group then we'll have to play the winners of that tie, whereas if we finish second in our group then we'd play the winner of what will probably be Mexico or Switzerland. (All if we were to beat either Poland or Colombia from the last group). We could avoid playing any of the "best" teams in the world until the semi final, either Argentina or Spain/ Portugal. No easy games are easy after the Panama one though. I'd rather win by beating the best rather than having someone else do the honors and this be remembered as the perfect storm of mistakes letting a really weak England team win it. Compared to, Wow! We beat Brazil/Germany, Spain/Portugal and Argentina to win it. A team that played out of their skins to win it. |
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Post by talentspotter on Jun 19, 2018 12:40:59 GMT
Reckon runners up play Poland in last16 then either Switzerland or Mexico in QF. Winners play Columbia? then either Brazil or Germany in QF. Or have I misread the pathway to the final? Most analysts are predicting Germany or Brazil in the QF Although Mexico might have a little say in that yet, and the last 16 game will be no gimme .....at least we will know the answer when we play the Belgians |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 19, 2018 12:49:34 GMT
Mexico will now win their group. Which means if Brazil win theirs then Germany and Brazil will have to play each other in the first knockout game. That's a bonus for the rest of the teams in the tournament. However if we finish top of the group then we'll have to play the winners of that tie, whereas if we finish second in our group then we'd play the winner of what will probably be Mexico or Switzerland. (All if we were to beat either Poland or Colombia from the last group). We could avoid playing any of the "best" teams in the world until the semi final, either Argentina or Spain/ Portugal. No easy games are easy after the Panama one though. I'd rather win by beating the best rather than having someone else do the honors and this be remembered as the perfect storm of mistakes letting a really weak England team win it. Compared to, Wow! We beat Brazil/Germany, Spain/Portugal and Argentina to win it. A team that played out of their skins to win it. Do you honestly think the average Portuguese fan gives a toss that they are euro champions without winning in 90 mins no Everyone remembers the winners the plucky unlucky losers are forgotten |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jun 19, 2018 15:14:33 GMT
Mexico will now win their group. Which means if Brazil win theirs then Germany and Brazil will have to play each other in the first knockout game. That's a bonus for the rest of the teams in the tournament. However if we finish top of the group then we'll have to play the winners of that tie, whereas if we finish second in our group then we'd play the winner of what will probably be Mexico or Switzerland. (All if we were to beat either Poland or Colombia from the last group). We could avoid playing any of the "best" teams in the world until the semi final, either Argentina or Spain/ Portugal. No easy games are easy after the Panama one though. I'd rather win by beating the best rather than having someone else do the honors and this be remembered as the perfect storm of mistakes letting a really weak England team win it. Compared to, Wow! We beat Brazil/Germany, Spain/Portugal and Argentina to win it. A team that played out of their skins to win it. We will be lucky if we get past even one of the big sides with this newish team. I fully expect us to go out in the Semi final or earlier even in my alternative possibility. But no, I would not worry one tiny little bit about who we beat to win the world cup, and neither would you. You either beat the best teams or you beat the teams that beat the best. Like you wouldn't celebrate if we beat Iran in the final because it was only Iran... |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 19, 2018 17:19:42 GMT
Mexico will now win their group. Which means if Brazil win theirs then Germany and Brazil will have to play each other in the first knockout game. That's a bonus for the rest of the teams in the tournament. However if we finish top of the group then we'll have to play the winners of that tie, whereas if we finish second in our group then we'd play the winner of what will probably be Mexico or Switzerland. (All if we were to beat either Poland or Colombia from the last group). We could avoid playing any of the "best" teams in the world until the semi final, either Argentina or Spain/ Portugal. No easy games are easy after the Panama one though. I'd rather win by beating the best rather than having someone else do the honors and this be remembered as the perfect storm of mistakes letting a really weak England team win it. Compared to, Wow! We beat Brazil/Germany, Spain/Portugal and Argentina to win it. A team that played out of their skins to win it. No "really weak" team will win the World Cup. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2018 20:51:41 GMT
Obviously a mug's game - but that England v Belgium game could well primarily be a battle to avoid Brazil for another round?
Winners get them in the QF and the losers potentially get them in the semis?
England as short as 7/2 to make the semis now - but that's probably on the slight likelihood (at this stage) that we will come second in the group - which could leave us just needing to beat Japan and Mexico to get there?
Last 16
Fra v Ice
Rus v Por
Spa v Uru
Cro v Den
Bra v Ger
GROUP WINNERS v Sen/Jap/Col/Pol
Mex v Swi/Ser
Jap/Col/Sen/Pol v GROUP RUNNERS-UP
QF
Fra v Rus
Spa v Cro
Braz v GROUP WINNERS
Mex v GROUP RUNNERS-UP
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Fra v Spa
Bra v Eng
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jun 21, 2018 21:00:03 GMT
Obviously a mug's game - but that England v Belgium game could well primarily be a battle to avoid Brazil for another round? Winners get them in the QF and the losers potentially get them in the semis? England as short as 7/2 to make the semis now - but that's probably on the slight likelihood (at this stage) that we will come second in the group - which could leave us just needing to beat Japan and Mexico to get there? Last 16Fra v Ice Rus v Por Spa v Uru Cro v Den Bra v Ger GROUP WINNERS v Sen/Jap/Col/Pol Mex v Swi/Ser Jap/Col/Sen/Pol v GROUP RUNNERS-UPQFFra v Rus Spa v Cro Braz v GROUP WINNERSMex v GROUP RUNNERS-UPSFFra v Spa Bra v Eng I don't think we can go into the game wanting to lose or having that idea in the back of our minds. Just doesn't sit right with me. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2018 21:05:32 GMT
Obviously a mug's game - but that England v Belgium game could well primarily be a battle to avoid Brazil for another round? Winners get them in the QF and the losers potentially get them in the semis? England as short as 7/2 to make the semis now - but that's probably on the slight likelihood (at this stage) that we will come second in the group - which could leave us just needing to beat Japan and Mexico to get there? Last 16Fra v Ice Rus v Por Spa v Uru Cro v Den Bra v Ger GROUP WINNERS v Sen/Jap/Col/Pol Mex v Swi/Ser Jap/Col/Sen/Pol v GROUP RUNNERS-UPQFFra v Rus Spa v Cro Braz v GROUP WINNERSMex v GROUP RUNNERS-UPSFFra v Spa Bra v Eng I don't think we can go into the game wanting to lose or having that idea in the back of our minds. Just doesn't sit right with me. I know what you mean - but I won't be celebrating any goals against Belgium with any relish! And I'll be hoping we don't beat Panama by too many on Sunday as well  That way, we could ensure the draw v Belgium means they top the group on GD and we won't have to lose to snaffle the easier road to the semis... |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 21, 2018 21:08:00 GMT
Obviously a mug's game - but that England v Belgium game could well primarily be a battle to avoid Brazil for another round? Winners get them in the QF and the losers potentially get them in the semis? England as short as 7/2 to make the semis now - but that's probably on the slight likelihood (at this stage) that we will come second in the group - which could leave us just needing to beat Japan and Mexico to get there? Last 16Fra v Ice Rus v Por Spa v Uru Cro v Den Bra v Ger GROUP WINNERS v Sen/Jap/Col/Pol Mex v Swi/Ser Jap/Col/Sen/Pol v GROUP RUNNERS-UPQFFra v Rus Spa v Cro Braz v GROUP WINNERSMex v GROUP RUNNERS-UPSFFra v Spa Bra v Eng I don't think we can go into the game wanting to lose or having that idea in the back of our minds. Just doesn't sit right with me. No, we are naive so we will try to win. Both will put out their second string. And we will probably win |
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Post by greenbaize on Jun 22, 2018 0:11:56 GMT
History shows you very rarely win out if you are paired with the strongest teams though out the knock out rounds, this year will be the same, I will happily except 2nd place in the group if it turns out to be the easier route on paper to the later rounds.
I remember West Germany throwing their game against East Germany in final group game 1974 so that they avoided the brilliant Dutch and Brazil in the group section that followed, take the easier route if possible
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Post by pottarius on Jun 22, 2018 0:47:58 GMT
Obviously a mug's game - but that England v Belgium game could well primarily be a battle to avoid Brazil for another round? Winners get them in the QF and the losers potentially get them in the semis? England as short as 7/2 to make the semis now - but that's probably on the slight likelihood (at this stage) that we will come second in the group - which could leave us just needing to beat Japan and Mexico to get there? Strangely enough I don't think its bad either way to get Brazil or Germany in either the QF or SF (assuming no self-destruct in the meantime). Both these sides suit our counter attack gameplan, very open and not exactly blessed with great defenders other than perhaps the aging Boeteng. Neuer is also prone to be being caught out by his "sweeper" role - especially if they keep pushing their defenders up the pitch like against Mexico. Meeting these is a bit of a no-lose situ as most pundits would have us as plucky underdogs The teams we would really struggle against are those who sit back and defend en masse - I'm delighted we'll avoid Iceland as they'd be really tough to break down and Pickford on crosses does not inspire much confidence (nor Jack TBH) |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 24, 2018 8:26:20 GMT
Oh.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2018 8:31:20 GMT
I've looked at this myself. But when we are still at 0-0 today after an hour it will all feel silly.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 24, 2018 17:44:25 GMT
Team selections could be interesting on Thursday!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 17:47:42 GMT
Team selections could be interesting on Thursday! A nice 3-0 would have done today! |
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Post by ParaPsych on Jun 24, 2018 17:52:52 GMT
I've looked at this myself. But when we are still at 0-0 today after an hour it will all feel silly. Incorrect!  |
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Post by professorplump on Jun 24, 2018 17:56:17 GMT
I think England should be going all out to win the group and keep the momentum going. If Martinez is planning to play his reserves then I think he will be taking a risky strategy. Neither Germany nor Brazil have looked great so far, so a quarter final against Mexico wouldn't necessarily be an easier game.
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Post by onionman on Jun 24, 2018 18:11:41 GMT
This is like when people pick out a run of six "winnable" Premier League games and say those will be the results to get us into the top half.
Then we end up losing to Bournemouth and Crystal Palace, and wishing we'd been playing an out of form Arsenal instead.
Just go for it, try to win every game we have until something happens to destroy our momentum. See how far it takes us.
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Post by Northy on Jun 24, 2018 19:25:06 GMT
Reckon runners up play Poland in last16 then either Switzerland or Mexico in QF. Winners play Columbia? then either Brazil or Germany in QF. Or have I misread the pathway to the final? Poland may not be going anywhere |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 24, 2018 19:34:37 GMT
This is like when people pick out a run of six "winnable" Premier League games and say those will be the results to get us into the top half. Then we end up losing to Bournemouth and Crystal Palace, and wishing we'd been playing an out of form Arsenal instead. Just go for it, try to win every game we have until something happens to destroy our momentum. See how far it takes us. Absolutely this. Try to win every game and focus solely on the next one, otherwise you end up doing silly things and losing to Iceland. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2018 22:05:44 GMT
I've looked at this myself. But when we are still at 0-0 today after an hour it will all feel silly. Incorrect! I agree 😁😁😁 |
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