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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 5:49:23 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2).
We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss.
The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !?
Wages
Top earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma
Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam
God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage...
Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford
Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position.
Transfer Fees
So far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye !
It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m.
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Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters
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Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo
-------------------Afobe------------------
*Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again.
Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while?
***EDIT - thread title changed from 'Did the Coates Family truly want us to stay up' to 'Stoke financially better off long term' ?? because some people missing the point of my post.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jun 13, 2018 6:04:15 GMT
The money from the premier league counteracts a lot of that. We're stuck with players on big money (Bojan, Imbula, Berahino). We'll be lucky to get the entirety of their wages off the books, even luckier to get any sort of worthwhile fee for them, especially now that we're in the championship, and even luckier again if they start playing well - even still, we'll be stuck with their big wages in the championship. There's no financial benefit from relegation, they would have much preferred to stay up and tighten their purses. Added to that, a lot of people will have lost/will lose their jobs because of relegation. I don't believe for one second that they would have wanted us to go down.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2018 6:07:13 GMT
The Coates family are delighted about our relegation. It's clear they absolutely bloody detest Stoke City.
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 6:23:15 GMT
The money from the premier league counteracts a lot of that. We're stuck with players on big money (Bojan, Imbula, Berahino). We'll be lucky to get the entirety of their wages off the books, even luckier to get any sort of worthwhile fee for them, especially now that we're in the championship, and even luckier again if they start playing well - even still, we'll be stuck with their big wages in the championship. There's no financial benefit from relegation, they would have much preferred to stay up and tighten their purses. Added to that, a lot of people will have lost/will lose their jobs because of relegation. I don't believe for one second that they would have wanted us to go down. Yea, as I said, no way do I believe that they wanted us to go down but I certainly think they don’t see it as devastating as perhaps some of the supporters do. Feels as though they have a plan to get back and that plan could also be financially beneficial if they pull it off. Get the point about Imbula, Bojan, Berahino but not a nightmare if they played for the team and contributed or were loaned and therefore wages paid by another club. Can see clubs wanting Imbula and Bojan... need to get Berahino scoring though, because can’t see anyone going in for him! |
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Post by marrer on Jun 13, 2018 6:30:23 GMT
The Coates family are delighted about our relegation. It's clear they absolutely bloody detest Stoke City. Naughty! You haven't been on that spirit of Australia made in Bundaberg have you? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2018 6:33:06 GMT
The Coates family are delighted about our relegation. It's clear they absolutely bloody detest Stoke City. Naughty! You haven't been on that spirit of Australia made in Bundaberg have you? I'm not even in Straya at the moment Rog! |
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jun 13, 2018 6:37:16 GMT
I'm no expert on what a typical footballers contract looks like but, the club must surely protect themselves against the massive reduction in revenue by writing a relegation clause into a players contract that results in them taking a massive pay cut should we be relegated and vice versa allows the player to leave the club if a suitable deal can be negotiated. This must surely just be common sense to fend off potential financial suicide?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jun 13, 2018 6:39:06 GMT
Shit bin
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jun 13, 2018 6:46:59 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? Probably the stupidest post I've seen on here for years - and that says a lot ..... |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 13, 2018 6:58:12 GMT
Complete failure there laddie.
Keep trying
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 13, 2018 7:19:00 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? Probably the stupidest post I've seen on here for years - and that says a lot ..... Certainly up there with some of the daftest posts I have read. The Coates family know the world of business far better than the OP and probably better than 99.9% of the fans. They will be well aware that, whilst some clubs bounce back quickly after relegation from the Premier League, many more don't. And for some of them relegation is the start of a long decline. You only have to look at the fate of (once) established PL clubs like Charlton and Sunderland (with Villa looking likely to be the latest meltdown) to see that relegation can be very dangerous to the finances of club owners as well as sickening for the fans. If a club bounces back quickly then all well and good - Newcastle actually looked better after a year in the Championship - and Burnley returned much stronger. But, once those parachute payments run out without promotion, relegated clubs can often look forward to a very bleak future. The Coates family will not want to be the next Sunderland or Villa - anyone who has any sense will see that. We are where we are because the family made mistakes not because they didn't care. Hopefully they will have learned quickly from those mistakes. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 13, 2018 7:22:08 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? Presumably, you think they don't want us to be promoted next season then? |
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 13, 2018 7:23:45 GMT
I think they expected there to be 3 worse teams then us no matter who we brought in or what they spent.
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 7:37:36 GMT
Well I suppose a message board is exactly the sort of place where a guy can post an opinion and get honest feedback.  Please don't think I'm trying be clever, attack the owners, or make some outlandish statement. I bloody love Peter Coates and what he has done for the club.. I'm saying the money that would have need to be spent in the prem to correct this team (new manager, a lot of new players) is far less than a complete overhaul in the league below. If our wage bill is 90m in the prem and we reduce it by a third in the championship to 60m - we have saved 30m .... If we sell players and make £30m net profit, were up to £60m....Stoke made about £100m in prize money payments last season that will drop to about £7m in the championship now putting us to -£33m.... Stoke parachute payments are about £62m.....meaning we are at a net gain of 29m ! So the simple question is, considering we typically break even, would we be better off financially going down and (GRANTED) coming straight back up or staying up and spending a lot of money. I thought it was a genuinely interested theory, but apparently not  |
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Post by pyrus on Jun 13, 2018 7:40:54 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? I am completely incredulous reading this. If this was about making money, they would never have bought the club back. Over his life-time, Peter Coates has shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters. He has been tempered at times by the reality of running a club of this size, but I honestly believe he is one of us. He wants the same things we do. The history and evidence supports that rather than some conspiracy of planned failure. |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 13, 2018 7:44:54 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? Yawn, too much time on you hands and too little of anything between your ears. |
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Post by Linx on Jun 13, 2018 7:49:02 GMT
They didn’t expect Lambert to draw quite so many games, I suspect. They probably banked on us winning a few more than we did.
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Post by foster on Jun 13, 2018 7:53:19 GMT
Still think that 50m for Butland and Shaq is pure fantasy. Not even sure Butland (or Ndiaye) will leave is it?
...and most of those listed as coming into the team aren't going to make it. Especially not at Prem level.
Don't think they planned it, but I also don't believe they were so desperate to avoid plan B. So far it seems that the changes are going according to plan, but then again that's to be expected for a side that's just been relegated and has parachute payments.
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 8:01:04 GMT
Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated...but I think it's more than plausible that they looked at our situation in January and said 'its not the worst thing if we did get relegated', and so didn't gamble fully on bringing in A) A quality manager on big money B) A £20M+ Striker (or 2). We had a disjointed team and a large wage bill (which would have had to be increased to bring in better quality players to stave off relegation the following year). Add into that a new manager for the 2018-19 season, a larger transfer budget, lower season ticket sales and next seasons projection may have been a net loss. The Coates Family aren't multi millionaires, they're multi billionaires and surely ruthless business people with good foresight. Many have stated that they would rather see Stoke winning / challenging to win the Championship than fighting relegation in the Prem - Did Coates get this and get the financial benefits more so !? WagesTop earners that will leave / have left : Butland / Shaqiri / Ndiaye / Wimmer / Jese / Zouma Big earners (in comparison to average championship wages) that could leave/ have left : Adam / Afellay / Crouch / Diouf / Choupo / Johnson / Ramadam God knows how much we will ultimately recoup on wages, but its unquestionably into the tens of millions - now add in the players that we may see more of next year on a fraction of that wage... Edwards / Ngoy / Verlinden / Campbell / Shenton / Sorensen / Telford Not saying they will all start or even most but it 1-2 break through its a massive saving on their predecessor in that position. Transfer FeesSo far we have broken even on the Ramadan / Etebo deals. We will break even on the Shaqiri / Afobe deals and still have an estimated £50m to come in through the sales of Butland and Ndiaye ! It could be argued that even now we have a team that would be challenging, let alone reinvesting the remaining £50m. -------------------Grant------------------ Edwards--- Shawcross ----Indi---- Pieters --------------Allen-----Imbula*----------- Bauer-------------Bojan-------------Etebo -------------------Afobe------------------ *Sorensen for Imbula if sold or plays up again. Could all just be a blessing in disguise but it would not surprise me at all if the sums were totted up in January and relegation was the most financially viable option - Would also make sense why we have acted so early re. new manager our 2 new signings - has all this has been planned for a while? I am completely incredulous reading this. If this was about making money, they would never have bought the club back. Over his life-time, Peter Coates has shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters. He has been tempered at times by the reality of running a club of this size, but I honestly believe he is one of us. He wants the same things we do. The history and evidence supports that rather than some conspiracy of planned failure. Mate you are completely missing the point, and ignoring the fact I proceeded everything I said with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' ! There is no conspiracy of planned failure - Im saying its more than plausible that he weighed up spending another 30m in January and almost guaranteeing staying up or spending a very respectable amount of money, as he did, and giving it a good go - knowing if relegation came from it we could still be in a strong position with an opportunity to even make more money. Premier league isn't everything, financially stability of the club he loves is very important too !!! On the recent savvy business we have done, I can't wait for next season ! |
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 8:04:37 GMT
Still think that 50m for Butland and Shaq is pure fantasy. Not even sure Butland (or Ndiaye) will leave is it? ...and most of those listed as coming into the team aren't going to make it. Especially not at Prem level. Don't think they planned it, but I also don't believe they were so desperate to avoid plan B. So far it seems that the changes are going according to plan, but then again that's to be expected for a side that's just been relegated and has parachute payments. Agree, probably not best worded on my part, not planned but not end of the world if we went down .... and so far the plan to get us back up is going brilliantly! |
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Post by pyrus on Jun 13, 2018 8:08:36 GMT
I am completely incredulous reading this. If this was about making money, they would never have bought the club back. Over his life-time, Peter Coates has shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters. He has been tempered at times by the reality of running a club of this size, but I honestly believe he is one of us. He wants the same things we do. The history and evidence supports that rather than some conspiracy of planned failure. Mate you are completely missing the point, and ignoring the fact I proceeded everything I said with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' ! There is no conspiracy of planned failure - Im saying its more than plausible that he weight up spending another 30m in January and almost guaranteeing staying up or spending a very respectable amount of money, as he did, and giving it a good go - knowing if relegation came from it we could still be in a strong position with an opportunity to even make more money. Premier league isn't everything, financially stability of the club he loves is very important too !!! On the recent savvy business we have done, I can't wait for next season ! Generally, when you use the word “but” it negates anything preceding it. The thrust of your post was that the owners were to some extent, okay with relegation. I dismiss that and (not that I know him) I feel insulted on behalf of Peter Coates. |
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Post by vahl on Jun 13, 2018 8:17:49 GMT
Even though relegation will have been discussed a lot earlier - no doubt about it - I can't believe Coates would have thought any form of relegation was a good thing.
We may be splashing the cash but we've lost a lot of money, media advantages etc.
It would have still been possible to sort out the squad by staying up because it changes nothing for that, but being relegated may do us a favour in the sense that we can take a good look at who we may want in our Premier League team (so long as it goes the way we want it to) in the future. With foresight we could build something a bit special here.
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 8:19:08 GMT
Mate you are completely missing the point, and ignoring the fact I proceeded everything I said with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' ! There is no conspiracy of planned failure - Im saying its more than plausible that he weight up spending another 30m in January and almost guaranteeing staying up or spending a very respectable amount of money, as he did, and giving it a good go - knowing if relegation came from it we could still be in a strong position with an opportunity to even make more money. Premier league isn't everything, financially stability of the club he loves is very important too !!! On the recent savvy business we have done, I can't wait for next season ! Generally, when you use the word “but” it negates anything preceding it. The thrust of your post was that the owners were to some extent, okay with relegation. I dismiss that and (not that I know him) I feel insulted on behalf of Peter Coates. Sorry you feel that way, and that you believe me saying 'but' negates anything that proceeds it.... I really like vanilla ice cream but I love mint choc chip....doesn't mean I don't like vanilla  Joking aside though, I suppose I'm saying, there not okay with relegation, but they certainly didn't see it as the end of the world. As its not. They had a contingency plan and so far that plan is looking good - if we can bounce back at the first time of asking (big IF) ... I believe there is a potential to make more profit than in a standard premier league season. |
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Post by rawli on Jun 13, 2018 8:23:32 GMT
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I am completely incredulous reading this. If this was about making money, they would never have bought the club back. Over his life-time, Peter Coates has shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters. He has been tempered at times by the reality of running a club of this size, but I honestly believe he is one of us. He wants the same things we do. The history and evidence supports that rather than some conspiracy of planned failure. [/quote]
The op is clearly fantasy.
However, strongly disagree that over his lifetime he's shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 13, 2018 8:45:22 GMT
I am completely incredulous reading this. If this was about making money, they would never have bought the club back. Over his life-time, Peter Coates has shown nothing but commitment to the club and its supporters. He has been tempered at times by the reality of running a club of this size, but I honestly believe he is one of us. He wants the same things we do. The history and evidence supports that rather than some conspiracy of planned failure. Mate you are completely missing the point, and ignoring the fact I proceeded everything I said with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' ! There is no conspiracy of planned failure - Im saying its more than plausible that he weighed up spending another 30m in January and almost guaranteeing staying up or spending a very respectable amount of money, as he did, and giving it a good go - knowing if relegation came from it we could still be in a strong position with an opportunity to even make more money. Premier league isn't everything, financially stability of the club he loves is very important too !!! On the recent savvy business we have done, I can't wait for next season ! If you carry on like this mate, you're going to need a JCB pretty soon ...  |
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Post by Gods on Jun 13, 2018 8:45:38 GMT
The Coates family are delighted about our relegation. It's clear they absolutely bloody detest Stoke City. Yes and cutting the media rights revenue from £100m last season to an average £6m in the championship over the next 3 years was just the icing on the cake , you could hear the champagne corks popping at Coates Towers. |
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Post by miggoscfc on Jun 13, 2018 8:51:30 GMT
Suggesting that Stoke are financially better off in anyway shape or form by being relegated is just ridiculous.
All the reasons you highlight in the OP are counter acted by how much the club was making we just needed to run the club correctly to get it right.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2018 8:51:59 GMT
The Coates family are delighted about our relegation. It's clear they absolutely bloody detest Stoke City. Yes and cutting the media rights revenue from £100m last season to an average £6m in the championship over the next 3 years was just the icing on the cake , you could hear the champagne corks popping at Coates Towers. And when you look at the bet365 angle look at the way relegation raises your profile! It's obvious they sent us down on purpose 😀 |
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Post by Absolution on Jun 13, 2018 8:57:44 GMT
Mate you are completely missing the point, and ignoring the fact I proceeded everything I said with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' ! There is no conspiracy of planned failure - Im saying its more than plausible that he weighed up spending another 30m in January and almost guaranteeing staying up or spending a very respectable amount of money, as he did, and giving it a good go - knowing if relegation came from it we could still be in a strong position with an opportunity to even make more money. Premier league isn't everything, financially stability of the club he loves is very important too !!! On the recent savvy business we have done, I can't wait for next season ! If you carry on like this mate, you're going to need a JCB pretty soon ... With this sort of thing, you’re best just making a statement like “It’s all got a bit too rich for them.” then running off. Trying to justify it with too many words just leaves you in the ‘needing a JCB’ position. Quit while you’re behind would be my advice to stokie23. 😎 |
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Post by stokie23 on Jun 13, 2018 9:17:08 GMT
If you carry on like this mate, you're going to need a JCB pretty soon ... With this sort of thing, you’re best just making a statement like “It’s all got a bit too rich for them.” then running off. Trying to justify it with too many words just leaves you in the ‘needing a JCB’ position. Quit while you’re behind would be my advice to stokie23. 😎 Haha fair enough....I agree...got to love the oatcake...only here can you begin a thread with 'Lets get one thing right, I'm not suggesting that the owners wanted us to get relegated' and then be bombarded with comments stating how stupid I am suggesting the owners wanted us to get relegated - Ill get me coat, I'm fuckin off up the vale. |
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Please don't think I'm trying be clever, attack the owners, or make some outlandish statement. I bloody love Peter Coates and what he has done for the club..
