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Post by snazzer on Jun 8, 2018 16:03:21 GMT
Who would you start in centre midfield?
I liked the look of RLC and Delph also
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2018 16:05:37 GMT
I've never previously rated Henderson but he's ended the season in form and I'm not much for Dier, so him.
Loftus Cheek is really impressive and I can see him making a real star of himself soon.
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 8, 2018 16:11:40 GMT
Henderson all day for me, don’t quite understand the stick he gets, he’s solid defensively got a good engine and an eye for a pass, likes to play forwards when possible, admittedly i don’t watch loads of him but when i’ve seen him he’s always looked decent, Dier... i just don’t know if he’s a CB or a holding midfielder, just seems very average to me in a good squad
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 8, 2018 16:12:25 GMT
Who would you start in centre midfield? I liked the look of RLC and Delph also Probably delph to be honest |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2018 16:14:20 GMT
Definitely Henderson
Although I wouldn't be against Delph.
Would be tempted to try and accommodate Loftus-Cheek ahead of Alli too.
Think he'll go Henderson-Alli-Lingard though...
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 8, 2018 16:14:22 GMT
If only we could have persuaded Delph to sign for us when we were chasing him last season he would have made a big difference & probably would have replaced what we lost when n,zonzi left.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2018 16:16:28 GMT
If only we could have persuaded Delph to sign for us when we were chasing him last season he would have made a big difference & probably would have replaced what we lost when n,zonzi left. Maybe, or maybe he'd have sunk to our level. He looks a new man under Guardiola's supervision. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 16:16:52 GMT
Henderson. he's been excellent for Liverpool, and Dier seems very one-paced.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 8, 2018 16:22:52 GMT
I don't rate either that highly. If you can play Alli deeper that's what I'd do. RLC looks good too
It looks like Southgate will go 3 at the back, Walker, Stones plus one from Cahill, Jones or Maguire
1 deep lying midfielder which can be 1 from about 5 those being Henderson, Delph, RLC, Alli, Dier.
2 wingbacks, Trippier and Young or Rose.
4 forward players. Kane, Sterling look shoe ins plus 2 more from Lingard, Rashford (who looked v good I thought), Alli or Vardy
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2018 16:33:01 GMT
Dier is far better than the awful Henderson.
Dier is a better passer of the ball than henderson.
Dier has more game intelligence, schooled as he was in portugal.
Dier can tackle and turn over possession whereas Henderson runs around aimlessly making it look like he is a midfielder without doing anything of consequence.
Dier is on the slow side but as the pivot he will be concentrating on holding positron and organising others, another thing he is good at.
Can any of the people on here who proposed henderson tell me what he is good at?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 8, 2018 17:10:31 GMT
Henderson is Dier  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 17:17:59 GMT
Henderson is the better player by a mile.
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2018 17:31:34 GMT
Shelvey 😀
Diet is more disciplined positionally than Henderson but otherwise Henderson.
I think when we play the better sides they will both play unless RLC really blossoms.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 8, 2018 17:32:48 GMT
Henderson, Dier is lucky to be going.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 8, 2018 17:47:10 GMT
Much as I dislike the bugger Henderson offers slightly more
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Post by ed5993 on Jun 8, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
Henderson for the first two games - he offers more creativity. Would consider Dier instead of him against Belgium or latter stages if more discipline and defensive cover was required.
Have to say I did really rate Delph on last nights performance... potentially has a better all round game than both of them??
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2018 17:54:42 GMT
Dier is far better than the awful Henderson. Dier is a better passer of the ball than henderson. Dier has more game intelligence, schooled as he was in portugal. Dier can tackle and turn over possession whereas Henderson runs around aimlessly making it look like he is a midfielder without doing anything of consequence. Dier is on the slow side but as the pivot he will be concentrating on holding positron and organising others, another thing he is good at. Can any of the people on here who proposed henderson tell me what he is good at? I don’t see the intelligence in Dier you’re talking about. That Henderson stuff would be true from a year or so back and before but it’s not the Henderson who ended the season at Liverpool this time round, who was disciplined and looked to get the ball forward. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 8, 2018 17:56:45 GMT
Dopey Dier or Horrendous Hendo? It's a head scratcher.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2018 18:01:51 GMT
Henderson, he's actually in good form to be fair to him.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 8, 2018 18:06:46 GMT
Shelvey 😀 Diet is more disciplined positionally than Henderson but otherwise Henderson. I think when we play the better sides they will both play unless RLC really blossoms. That's exactly what I need...a disciplined diet, 'cos I'm a bit of a porker  |
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Post by Pricey on Jun 8, 2018 18:10:22 GMT
Pickford
Stones Dier Maguire
Walker Henderson Delph Rose
Alli
Rashford Kane
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Post by luke45 on Jun 8, 2018 18:15:00 GMT
Butland
Walker Stones Cahill
Trippier Henderson Lingard Rose
Alli Sterling
Kane
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jun 8, 2018 18:15:21 GMT
I'd play Dier at the back
Henderson in the middle.
Ruben and Sterling
Kane Rashford
Presuming he's playing the wing back system that is
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Post by pottermouth on Jun 8, 2018 18:19:18 GMT
Who would you start in centre midfield? I liked the look of RLC and Delph also Henderson all day long. I don’t rate Dier. |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2018 20:00:16 GMT
Both
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 8, 2018 20:11:24 GMT
Neither. Both passengers against better teams that will circumvent them. If we have to rely on them in a game, we are probably screwed anyway. They are one of those "safe options" that basically doom us, but Southgate protects himself from criticism when they are inevitably shit against anyone good, because they both play for top 4 teams.
If England wanted to really go for it, I'd play Ali and Shelvey in deeper roles - Ali is a decent international midfielder with good range of passing, cynical and energetic - but not clever or technically adept enough to be a number 10 for a good team in a World Cup.. Get them two spraying passes to the wings and through balls for a fast mobile front 3 of Vardy, Sterling, Rashford. Have a back 5 of Trippier, Walker, Smalling, MacGuire, Rose. Play the better teams on the counter attack.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2018 20:14:44 GMT
Neither. Both passengers against better teams that will circumvent them. If we have to rely on them in a game, we are probably screwed anyway. They are one of those "safe options" that basically doom us, but Southgate protects himself from criticism when they are inevitably shit against anyone good, because they both play for top 4 teams. If England wanted to really go for it, I'd play Ali and Shelvey in deeper roles - Ali is a decent international midfielder with good range of passing, cynical and energetic - but not clever or technically adept enough to be a number 10 for a good team in a World Cup.. Get them two spraying passes to the wings and through balls for a fast mobile front 3 of Vardy, Sterling, Rashford. Have a back 5 of Trippier, Walker, Smalling, MacGuire, Rose. Play the better teams on the counter attack. You have to have at least one disciplined sitting midfielder. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 8, 2018 20:17:49 GMT
Neither. Both passengers against better teams that will circumvent them. If we have to rely on them in a game, we are probably screwed anyway. They are one of those "safe options" that basically doom us, but Southgate protects himself from criticism when they are inevitably shit against anyone good, because they both play for top 4 teams. If England wanted to really go for it, I'd play Ali and Shelvey in deeper roles - Ali is a decent international midfielder with good range of passing, cynical and energetic - but not clever or technically adept enough to be a number 10 for a good team in a World Cup.. Get them two spraying passes to the wings and through balls for a fast mobile front 3 of Vardy, Sterling, Rashford. Have a back 5 of Trippier, Walker, Smalling, MacGuire, Rose. Play the better teams on the counter attack. You have to have at least one disciplined sitting midfielder. Why? 😜 |
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2018 20:32:33 GMT
You have to have at least one disciplined sitting midfielder. Why? 😜 England 1990 Midfield of Gascoigne and Platt Worked brilliantly Since Makelele it's seemingly set in stone that someone has to be a 'defensive' midfielder. Lot's of dogma's in football that get in the way. You don't have to have anything you just need a team that works. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Jun 8, 2018 20:37:41 GMT
The old...what's best to tread in white dog Pooh or brown dog Pooh question
We are really weak in this area of the park
None of our options are great footballers but I think Delph is our most savvy DM
I would go for Delph , he is okay
I would go for Delph and focus on attacking at pace
In theory we have got some real pace up top , which means they are going to fouled loads by Argentina etc , but you never know , a ref might man up one day , and give us a penalty or two
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