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Post by GoBoks on May 28, 2018 16:07:06 GMT
Right, looking at the noises from the club, the new manager and our competition, I believe the upcoming season is a golden opportunity for the Mighty Potters to actually prove it for a change!
Given that we are in the top 30 wealthiest clubs in the world, (never thought I'd ever say that), I don't want Stoke to claw their way back into the Prem! I want them to do it with style. Let's ask our club to set their sights on NOT getting promotion but breaking the record number of points in a football season ....Currently 106, therefore project Stoke 107
And, while we're at it, let's take the record number of goals scored in a season too (currently 134).
C'Mon Stoke, give us something to be proud about!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 28, 2018 16:18:35 GMT
We won't be in the top 30 wealthiest clubs next season, will we? The three promoted clubs will overtake us as will last season's Premier League clubs who are still there and who had a lower income than us and, of course, those foreign clubs who were richer than us will probably still be ahead of us and they may be joined by one or two others.
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Post by GoBoks on May 28, 2018 16:29:47 GMT
We won't be in the top 30 wealthiest clubs next season, will we? The three promoted clubs will overtake us as will last season's Premier League clubs who are still there and who had a lower income than us and, of course, those foreign clubs who were richer than us will probably still be ahead of us and they may be joined by one or two others. No, probably not, but we will still be ahead of any of our competitors! I doubt that either Cardiff or Fulham will overtake us in their first year. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 28, 2018 16:52:56 GMT
We won't be in the top 30 wealthiest clubs next season, will we? The three promoted clubs will overtake us as will last season's Premier League clubs who are still there and who had a lower income than us and, of course, those foreign clubs who were richer than us will probably still be ahead of us and they may be joined by one or two others. No, probably not, but we will still be ahead of any of our competitors! I doubt that either Cardiff or Fulham will overtake us in their first year. In terms of income they will overtake us. They will get about £100 million in UK and foreign TV money and merit payments - more if they finish higher up the table. We have lost all that and will only have parachute payments which are about £50 million+ lower in the first year after relegation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 17:08:03 GMT
Setting expectations this high only leads to disappointment, it comes across a little entitled.
Don't underestimate the Championship!
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Post by RAF on May 28, 2018 17:16:39 GMT
We won't be in the top 30 wealthiest clubs next season, will we? The three promoted clubs will overtake us as will last season's Premier League clubs who are still there and who had a lower income than us and, of course, those foreign clubs who were richer than us will probably still be ahead of us and they may be joined by one or two others. Why? Is licensed gambling on it's arse now? H |
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Post by Gods on May 28, 2018 17:25:24 GMT
I'm in as long as "107" isn't the number of days Rowett will remain in the job or the number of years until we return to the top flight  |
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Post by fulagoals on May 28, 2018 17:28:24 GMT
Right, looking at the noises from the club, the new manager and our competition, I believe the upcoming season is a golden opportunity for the Mighty Potters to actually prove it for a change! Given that we are in the top 30 wealthiest clubs in the world, (never thought I'd ever say that), I don't want Stoke to claw their way back into the Prem! I want them to do it with style. Let's ask our club to set their sights on NOT getting promotion but breaking the record number of points in a football season ....Currently 106, therefore project Stoke 107And, while we're at it, let's take the record number of goals scored in a season too (currently 134). C'Mon Stoke, give us something to be proud about! Wow! Bank Holidays eh! |
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Post by ashleyscfc on May 28, 2018 17:47:46 GMT
We won't be in the top 30 wealthiest clubs next season, will we? The three promoted clubs will overtake us as will last season's Premier League clubs who are still there and who had a lower income than us and, of course, those foreign clubs who were richer than us will probably still be ahead of us and they may be joined by one or two others. No, probably not, but we will still be ahead of any of our competitors! I doubt that either Cardiff or Fulham will overtake us in their first year.  Thats fourth richest in the premier league...that was a year ago. They're now even richer. It makes us pretty much the richest owners in the championship by some margin now Fulham and Wolves have gone up. We are pretty much the only club with multi billionaire owners. Which shows how much they've taken their eye off the ball being in this mess |
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Post by jamie75 on May 28, 2018 17:55:40 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365.
The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football.
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Post by vahl on May 28, 2018 17:59:29 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365. The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football. Sponsorship is a beautiful thing sometimes. Oh lookie, we're sponsored AND owned by the same people! |
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Post by kristoff on May 28, 2018 18:14:03 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365. The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football. Financial FairPlay is a crock. If they wanted to (not saying they should) Bet365 could just ‘sign a new sponsorship contract’ with us for whatever they wanted. How do you think Man City ect get around it. Whole rule is bullshit tbh |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 18:27:17 GMT
Some people are in for a massive shock this season.
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Post by robstokie on May 28, 2018 18:31:38 GMT
I think the OP has jumped the gun. Granted, weve bought in what i think is the correct man to manage this football club who is young and hungry, but also has experience in the championship, but the next job is to cut the dead wood and bring in the right mix of grafters and those with the quality needed in the final third. Im reserving judgment until the end of August, when we will have got half a dozen or so matches under our belts.
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 28, 2018 18:34:33 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365. The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football. Financial FairPlay is a crock. If they wanted to (not saying they should) Bet365 could just ‘sign a new sponsorship contract’ with us for whatever they wanted. How do you think Man City ect get around it. Whole rule is bullshit tbh No they can’t because the PL and EFL benchmark sponsorship. Bet365 bend the rules by paying for using the club’s image on adverts. City and others have global branding stories that are harder to challenge but City also gained from the £200million of equity injected into the City group by Chinese investors. The owners can give us money but it will have to be direct equity ultimately to meet the rules |
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Post by kristoff on May 28, 2018 19:35:46 GMT
Financial FairPlay is a crock. If they wanted to (not saying they should) Bet365 could just ‘sign a new sponsorship contract’ with us for whatever they wanted. How do you think Man City ect get around it. Whole rule is bullshit tbh No they can’t because the PL and EFL benchmark sponsorship. Bet365 bend the rules by paying for using the club’s image on adverts. City and others have global branding stories that are harder to challenge but City also gained from the £200million of equity injected into the City group by Chinese investors. The owners can give us money but it will have to be direct equity ultimately to meet the rules Well if that’s true they can still use the 3 year rolling system like many of others have done, add in all the potential loopholes and it really is t a problem for us |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 28, 2018 20:23:55 GMT
Our sponsorship by bet365 was only actually about £8 million per annum in the Prem as I recall - that was about 7% of our income as a Premier League club. The loss of Premier League TV and merit money will hit us hard. And the Championship seem to be much less tolerant of breaches of their FFP rules than the Premier League are. We will initially be one of the richer clubs in the Championship because of the parachute payments but we will feel the pinch and the wages of Hughes's 3 big mistakes will continue to hit us until their contracts end.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 28, 2018 20:24:27 GMT
Great more ennui inducing hyperbolic optimism and yes I know it's theoretically possible...
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Post by djduncanjames on May 28, 2018 23:21:19 GMT
Our sponsorship by bet365 was only actually about £8 million per annum in the Prem as I recall - that was about 7% of our income as a Premier League club. The loss of Premier League TV and merit money will hit us hard. And the Championship seem to be much less tolerant of breaches of their FFP rules than the Premier League are. We will initially be one of the richer clubs in the Championship because of the parachute payments but we will feel the pinch and the wages of Hughes's 3 big mistakes will continue to hit us until their contracts end. Well I suppose we managed to loan out Wimmer so maybe we can deal with Saido and Imbula next. Still have this odd feeling Rowett might give Imbula a chance, real shame about him looking back |
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Post by Gods on May 28, 2018 23:35:57 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365. The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football. Correct. Some people have misconstrued it as a thread about the personal wealth of our owners rather than the income of the football club, two entirely different things. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 29, 2018 1:33:34 GMT
Our sponsorship by bet365 was only actually about £8 million per annum in the Prem as I recall - that was about 7% of our income as a Premier League club. The loss of Premier League TV and merit money will hit us hard. And the Championship seem to be much less tolerant of breaches of their FFP rules than the Premier League are. We will initially be one of the richer clubs in the Championship because of the parachute payments but we will feel the pinch and the wages of Hughes's 3 big mistakes will continue to hit us until their contracts end. Well I suppose we managed to loan out Wimmer so maybe we can deal with Saido and Imbula next. Still have this odd feeling Rowett might give Imbula a chance, real shame about him looking back We will still be paying at least half of Wimmer's wages whilst he is on loan, I should think. And the same will go for either of the other two players, should they go on loan to non Prem clubs. |
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Post by vahl on May 29, 2018 8:38:07 GMT
People in this thread seem to be confusing the turnover of the club with the wealth of the owners and turnover of the parent company Bet 365. The parent company aren’t actually allowed to push £100m’s into the club either because of financial fair play rules unless they want to pay the inevitable fines and bans from European football. Correct. Some people have misconstrued it as a thread about the personal wealth of our owners rather than the income of the football club, two entirely different things. It's more 'this is what we can do' though, rather than 'this is what we are going to do'. I think we have enough assets worth money to bankroll promotion regardless. FFP rules are there for a reason but you can push it, there are grey areas and any good football club will utilise that if they need/can afford to. When you're in charge of the sponsorship and the club for example, you could technically just offer 10x the normal amount to yourself, with your own contract - just for naming the stadium Bet365. This is just an example. There are actually many many grey areas. You can call it cheating or whatever, it's not, it was designed like that for a reason. |
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Post by str8outtahampton on May 29, 2018 8:48:57 GMT
Setting expectations this high only leads to disappointment, it comes across a little entitled. Don't underestimate the Championship! I agree. I have been focused these last 10 years on Project 40. I will need a few glasses of Cognac and some really high quality counselling before I can contemplate P107. |
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Post by Gods on May 29, 2018 8:59:23 GMT
Setting expectations this high only leads to disappointment, it comes across a little entitled. Don't underestimate the Championship! I agree. I have been focused these last 10 years on Project 40. I will need a few glasses of Cognac and some really high quality counselling before I can contemplate P107. It's quite a leap isn't it? A turgid 1-1 draw at home to Rotherham in the opener may quell GoBoks unfettered optimism a little! |
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Post by GoBoks on May 29, 2018 9:31:00 GMT
No, probably not, but we will still be ahead of any of our competitors! I doubt that either Cardiff or Fulham will overtake us in their first year. In terms of income they will overtake us. They will get about £100 million in UK and foreign TV money and merit payments - more if they finish higher up the table. We have lost all that and will only have parachute payments which are about £50 million+ lower in the first year after relegation. I think the Forbes list is based on total value not income. Assuming we get 40 - 50 M in player sales, we will almost match them for income and I agree that if we stay down we will rapidly sink. However, all that is irrelevant. This season we will not be competing with Wolves, Burnley, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc, but with Villa, Leeds, M’boro, Derby, et al. We dwarf these teams in any financial terms and the only ones who are even close are WBA and Swansea. Here’s to a record breaking Season! |
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Post by Billy the kid on May 29, 2018 9:38:12 GMT
Is it just me that thinks that getting over 100 points is a tall order? That's 30 wins and 10 draws to get 100. So a result in 40 our of 46 games. Not a huge margin of error.
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Post by GoBoks on May 29, 2018 9:40:46 GMT
No, probably not, but we will still be ahead of any of our competitors! I doubt that either Cardiff or Fulham will overtake us in their first year. Thats fourth richest in the premier league...that was a year ago. They're now even richer. It makes us pretty much the richest owners in the championship by some margin now Fulham and Wolves have gone up. We are pretty much the only club with multi billionaire owners. Which shows how much they've taken their eye off the ball being in this mess My figures above are based on club value, not owners because you can have the richest owners in the world but if they choose to only invest 10 quid, you will struggle. Of course, tha same can be said of value, if the owners take everything out and don’t reinvest........ But, i’m With you, the one thing that the Coates’ can do to redeem themselves is get us back up at the first time of asking and to do it with style! |
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Post by SCFC92 on May 29, 2018 9:43:46 GMT
Why the fuck not eh?!
I've (or we've) spent the last few years being really downtrodden and negative on our aspirations and ability as a team. The championship is not going to be an easy league AT ALL. In fact it is going to be rough, competitive and bloody difficult to get out of. But I am going into this new season with a changed attitude, positivity and hope that we can and we will do this!
So why not believe we can do it in style!
GOOOARN!
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Post by GoBoks on May 29, 2018 9:50:13 GMT
I think the OP has jumped the gun. Granted, weve bought in what i think is the correct man to manage this football club who is young and hungry, but also has experience in the championship, but the next job is to cut the dead wood and bring in the right mix of grafters and those with the quality needed in the final third. Im reserving judgment until the end of August, when we will have got half a dozen or so matches under our belts. And in 5 years time when we get back up, Wolves, Burnley, Huddersfield and the like will be out of sight ahead of us. I’m not rushing to judgement, merely stating the one scenario that will, in my opinion, redeem the management/owners for the absolute shambles of last season. And if we miss it by only getting 98 points but winning the title comfortably? I’ll reserve judgement on whether that earns forgiveness. A battling fight and sneaking back via the playoffs doesn’t cut it in my opinion. They might earn forgiveness after 2 or 3 good years back up. Failure to get up at the first attempt? Thanks Coates’ but it’s time for you to move on. |
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Post by GoBoks on May 29, 2018 9:54:58 GMT
Setting expectations this high only leads to disappointment, it comes across a little entitled. Don't underestimate the Championship! And don’t underestimate the power of money. If we can’t do it now, will we have more or less of a chance in 2, 3, 5 years time. And every year we will grow weaker and have to compete with 3 new ex prem teams splashing cash. Nah! In my opinion, it’s not about expectation but rather what the owners have to do to make up for their monumental cock-up of last season. |
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