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Post by StokeTudoGuy on May 27, 2018 10:08:03 GMT
Geoff Cameron publicly supported Trump's racist Muslim travel ban. What shall we do with him? Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl Lol yeah, and the countries banned were chosen by the Obama administration. The only prejudiced thing about that whole debacle was people assuming only Muslims come from all those countries.
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Post by GoBoks on May 27, 2018 10:08:20 GMT
Dear Mr Whelan I wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton. I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those. I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one. I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this. But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me. For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth. Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII. It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people. I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent. I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in. I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons. As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation. Yours sincerely, James McClean It’s not a debate I can be arsed to get into. I’ve read that letter before and he just picks the bits that suits his agenda. Don't we all?
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Post by RAF on May 27, 2018 10:09:29 GMT
Even if you take wearing the poppy out of the equation which is his right, it's the turning his back on the English and Union Flags whilst our National anthem was being played whilst representing and getting handsomely paid by an English Club, well three of them actually which is more of an issue to me. His so called principles don't stop him drawing a wage from these English Clubs in an English League. He's a fucking disrespectful hypocrite. H What fucking drivel. I’m a long standing republican and anti monarchist yet spent most of my working life in a HM post. In my view I was a public servant not some subservient in the pay and working to benefit the monarchy. I’m a proud and patriotic Englishman but have always refused to sing the current national anthem for the same reasons. I’ve no problem with his political or historical view even though I don’t share them. As for football he’s not exactly a player to set the pulse racing but I’m sure if they put his views to one side many of our fans would appreciate him. Trying hard with limited ability seems to be their preference. Personally think he’s a bit shit. You are a fucking hypocrite just like McClean. Thanks for mopping that one up. H
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:09:40 GMT
Geoff Cameron publicly supported Trump's racist Muslim travel ban. What shall we do with him? Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl Who gives a shit what it was it was prevention of terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. More black youths are carrying guns and knives in our capital. They are the most common victims but also the most common perpetrators. You have to address the problem whether it’s PC to do so or not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2018 10:12:03 GMT
Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl Who gives a shit what it was it was prevention of terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. More black youths are carrying guns and knives in our capital. They are the most common victims but also the most common perpetrators. You have to address the problem whether it’s PC to do so or not. Have the IRA changed sides?
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Post by andystokey on May 27, 2018 10:12:39 GMT
Parking his/my view regarding any kind of nationalism, the UK or his.
This doesn't fit in with the speech on DNA from the board and certainly not on footballing grounds. He's too old and not good enough in my opinion. I was hoping we would have new broom. I certainly don't want to be stuck with him for 3 years regardless if we go up or stay in the Championship.
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:13:03 GMT
What fucking drivel. I’m a long standing republican and anti monarchist yet spent most of my working life in a HM post. In my view I was a public servant not some subservient in the pay and working to benefit the monarchy. I’m a proud and patriotic Englishman but have always refused to sing the current national anthem for the same reasons. I’ve no problem with his political or historical view even though I don’t share them. As for football he’s not exactly a player to set the pulse racing but I’m sure if they put his views to one side many of our fans would appreciate him. Trying hard with limited ability seems to be their preference. Personally think he’s a bit shit. You are a fucking hypocrite just like McClean. Thanks for mopping that one up. H Yeah you’re a fucking idiot thanks for your confirmation.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2018 10:13:48 GMT
Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl all terrorists are Muslim. Again Fuck me McClean would be what right wing cunts call a snowflake compared to some of the fucking lunatics who inhabit our support!
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Post by pottercelt67 on May 27, 2018 10:14:31 GMT
I really don’t get what the problem is with a player having particular political beliefs, we all have different beliefs and shouldn’t be abused for them. We do after all live in an Inclusive society.
If James McLean signs for Stoke he’s welcome in my eyes, and should be supported to be a success as a player. How good is he, is for everyone to judge on playing ability and how effective he is in the new side.
To the haters, remember this, we are now a championship side who I hope are about to go full tilt in the transfer market in an attempt to get straight back to the premier. If Gary Rowett wants and buys a player I’m going with it because at the moment he’s the one I trust.
So come on we should be supporting every player who pulls the red and white on next year, I don’t give a f**kif it’s got a poppy on or not!
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:15:07 GMT
Who gives a shit what it was it was prevention of terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. More black youths are carrying guns and knives in our capital. They are the most common victims but also the most common perpetrators. You have to address the problem whether it’s PC to do so or not. Have the IRA changed sides? No they’re just not currently engaged in terrorist activity and are mainly just bog standard criminals nowadays.
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Post by RAF on May 27, 2018 10:16:49 GMT
You are a fucking hypocrite just like McClean. Thanks for mopping that one up. H Yeah you’re a fucking idiot thanks for your confirmation. Shittest comeback ever you dull twat. H
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:17:52 GMT
all terrorists are Muslim. Again Fuck me McClean would be what right wing cunts call a snowflake compared to some of the fucking lunatics who inhabit our support! Why look for a needle in a haystack when you know which bale it’s in?
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Post by GoBoks on May 27, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
He should be playing for northern ireland, hes northern irish? Never heard of any other players choosing to play for a country other than where they were born?
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Post by shrewspotter on May 27, 2018 10:19:56 GMT
I am not really a fan of McClean as I don't think he that good of a footballer myself
As for his beliefs, I cant go along with them, however they are his beliefs just as mine are mine and if he signs for us I will back him as a footballer that plays for SCFC and put his beliefs to one side.
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Post by RAF on May 27, 2018 10:22:58 GMT
Block 19 will love him if he signs with their Pope and IRA ditty
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:25:46 GMT
Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl Who gives a shit what it was it was prevention of terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. More black youths are carrying guns and knives in our capital. They are the most common victims but also the most common perpetrators. You have to address the problem whether it’s PC to do so or not. I have been on The Oatie for around 20 years and read some horseshit on here, but that sir, has taken 1st prize for the most moronic thing I have seen. Congratulations.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2018 10:26:28 GMT
Block 19 will love him if he signs with their Pope and IRA ditty H A very homo erotic song that one.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 10:27:00 GMT
Lol it wasn't a Muslim travel ban the 5 countries banned were not releasing information about ppl Lol yeah, and the countries banned were chosen by the Obama administration. The only prejudiced thing about that whole debacle was people assuming only Muslims come from all those countries. Trump assumed only Muslims came from those countries - but are we surprised?
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:28:55 GMT
Who gives a shit what it was it was prevention of terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. More black youths are carrying guns and knives in our capital. They are the most common victims but also the most common perpetrators. You have to address the problem whether it’s PC to do so or not. I have been on The Oatie for around 20 years and read some horseshit on here, but that sir, has taken 1st prize for the most moronic thing I have seen. Congratulations. Don’t like it because it offends you pc values ? Where are the inaccuracies?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:34:39 GMT
Even if you take wearing the poppy out of the equation which is his right, it's the turning his back on the English and Union Flags whilst our National anthem was being played whilst representing and getting handsomely paid by an English Club, well three of them actually which is more of an issue to me. His so called principles don't stop him drawing a wage from these English Clubs in an English League. He's a fucking disrespectful hypocrite. H What fucking drivel. I’m a long standing republican and anti monarchist yet spent most of my working life in a HM post. In my view I was a public servant not some subservient in the pay and working to benefit the monarchy. I’m a proud and patriotic Englishman but have always refused to sing the current national anthem for the same reasons. I’ve no problem with his political or historical view even though I don’t share them. As for football he’s not exactly a player to set the pulse racing but I’m sure if they put his views to one side many of our fans would appreciate him. Trying hard with limited ability seems to be their preference. Personally think he’s a bit shit. So, do you simply not sing the National Anthem, or do you overtly turn your back on it?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:35:38 GMT
I'm all for youth development. I wonder why they didn't give him any game time? Attitude? Injury? Not as good as we think? I find it difficult to work out why a club that struggles for goals wouldn't pick a young lad with uber talent that can create, when they themselves ripped us a new one with their reserve side in Pre Season? www.bild.de/sport/fussball/st-pauli/pauli-verlinden-geht-als-null-minuten-leihe-55720196.bild.html"Thibaud still has deficits in the physical and tactical field." Oh so he's a thick, weak as p*** footballer? Wonderful!
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Post by vahl on May 27, 2018 10:37:55 GMT
James McClean just runs down the wing in a straight line towards the corner flag and successfully crosses the ball now and again. That's all he does.
He is crap. We can do a lot better.
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Post by steino1966 on May 27, 2018 10:48:34 GMT
Prefer players like Ollie Watkins, Barkhuizen, Jarrod Bowen etc, over McClean
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 10:50:17 GMT
What fucking drivel. I’m a long standing republican and anti monarchist yet spent most of my working life in a HM post. In my view I was a public servant not some subservient in the pay and working to benefit the monarchy. I’m a proud and patriotic Englishman but have always refused to sing the current national anthem for the same reasons. I’ve no problem with his political or historical view even though I don’t share them. As for football he’s not exactly a player to set the pulse racing but I’m sure if they put his views to one side many of our fans would appreciate him. Trying hard with limited ability seems to be their preference. Personally think he’s a bit shit. So, do you simply not sing the National Anthem, or do you overtly turn your back on it? Don’t sing why would I disrespect it I’m a patriotic Englishman. It’s a constitutional objection. It’s a view just like I think we should have a new secular constitution that prevents any religion breeding itself into a majority and forcing religion down people’s throats in a country where more people identify themselves as nil religion than any single religious denomination. Fuck religions, all of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:56:07 GMT
No.
Just no.
He's shit.
And he is a shit.
Moreover, if we pay anything near approaching £6m for him, then we are as shit as ever at this transfer mularky and don't appear to have learned a thing.
My second concern - his ACTUAL ability 😬
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:57:16 GMT
So, do you simply not sing the National Anthem, or do you overtly turn your back on it? Don’t sing why would I disrespect it I’m a patriotic Englishman. It’s a constitutional objection. It’s a view just like I think we should have a new secular constitution that prevents any religion breeding itself into a majority and forcing religion down people’s throats in a country where more people identify themselves as nil religion than any single religious denomination. Fuck religions, all of them. Religions are great.........until men get involved
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Post by banksisgod on May 27, 2018 11:03:29 GMT
For what it's worth, there are many photographs of Martin McGuinness with the Queen and Prince Philip. Does that make them Provo sympathisers deserving of your bile?
McClean comes from a city more associated with socialism, and the pursuit of equality, rather than with radical republicanism per se. It is in this context that the peaceful protest march on what is now called "Bloody Sunday" was organised - the duel objective being civil rights for Catholics and the removal of internment (the summery jailing of people without trial). There was a suspicion that the march was infiltrated by the provo's - certainly that was the excuse given by the army for opening fire - but that has never been proven. Nothing justified the execution of innocent marchers by the British Army on that day. The Widgery Tribunal, which was conducted with indecent haste, was a whitewash, and it was the Saville Enquiry that resulted in the full facts being established, and an official apology for the behaviour of the army being given by David Cameron from the floor of the Commons.
Think about it. British soldiers shooting dead un-armed British citizens, catholic families protesting for the right to not be evicted from their own homes in favour of a pregnant protestant girl. That's something you would more associate with Tiannamon Square or Gaza.
Some people will never accept a James McClean at the club. That's fair enough, but at least equip yourselves with a few more facts before dismissing him as some random "provo lover".
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 11:11:38 GMT
Don’t sing why would I disrespect it I’m a patriotic Englishman. It’s a constitutional objection. It’s a view just like I think we should have a new secular constitution that prevents any religion breeding itself into a majority and forcing religion down people’s throats in a country where more people identify themselves as nil religion than any single religious denomination. Fuck religions, all of them. Religions are great.........until men get involved Thanks for reinforcing my point, men were involved from the start they made the fuckers up.
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Post by vahl on May 27, 2018 11:15:11 GMT
There is something ironic about a player like this potentially signing for a football club who's City status in England is pretty much the 'home of Brexit'. Is there another City in the UK with such a staunch taste for Britishness?
He's still a shite footballer though. He is the sort we used to sign when we were completely crap ourselves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2018 11:15:44 GMT
For what it's worth, there are many photographs of Martin McGuinness with the Queen and Prince Philip. Does that make them Provo sympathisers deserving of your bile? McClean comes from a city more associated with socialism, and the pursuit of equality, rather than with radical republicanism per se. It is in this context that the peaceful protest march on what is now called "Bloody Sunday" was organised - the duel objective being civil rights for Catholics and the removal of internment (the summery jailing of people without trial). There was a suspicion that the march was infiltrated by the provo's - certainly that was the excuse given by the army for opening fire - but that has never been proven. Nothing justified the execution of innocent marchers by the British Army on that day. The Widgery Tribunal, which was conducted with indecent haste, was a whitewash, and it was the Saville Enquiry that resulted in the full facts being established, and an official apology for the behaviour of the army being given by David Cameron from the floor of the Commons. Think about it. British soldiers shooting dead un-armed British citizens, catholic families protesting for the right to not be evicted from their own homes in favour of a pregnant protestant girl. That's something you would more associate with Tiannamon Square or Gaza. Some people will never accept a James McClean at the club. That's fair enough, but at least equip yourselves with a few more facts before dismissing him as some random "provo lover". Doesn't your point about the Queen sort of go against Mclean? She no doubt will have thought he's a cunt and rose above that.
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