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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 26, 2018 9:54:41 GMT
I don't think there is any reason to be down about a pre season friendly draw against the team that trounced this division. Its a friendly game with a lack of intensity and lots of changes. Can't read anything into it. It was already clear we still need another striker, and creative player. I choupo didn't play, so sell him for 10-12 mill, probably badou for 16-18 mill. Spend the money on the holding midfielder, striker, and creative player we are lacking. It doesn't worry you that at this late stage, Rowett sees Fletcher as a genuine contender? Sadly I think Fletcher will be sticking around in the squad this season, otherwise he would not have featured so prominently so yes, I'm a bit worried about that but hopeful that we won't see too much of fletcher. My post at the time was a reaction to a bit of an over critical response about our performance in what is only a training ground exercise. I admit I am a bit concerned that we still need another striker, holding midfielder, creative attacking player and centre back and we are only a week and a half from the start of the season. my worries are: 1.lack of a creative player, 2.lack of a proper holding midfielder and 3 we need another centre back 4. We need a striker 2 may be answered by using what we have (i don't think Badou will leave) and trying to organise the midfield properly for the first time in a couple of seasons. 4 will be a loan, maybe someone like Solanke? We HAVE to make signings to sort out 1 and 3 but I think, from what Rowett says in his interviews, there will be more signings. But if we go into the new season with what we have right now we are in trouble as soon as anyone gets injured.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2018 10:28:34 GMT
What did people make of the new keeper?
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 26, 2018 10:32:06 GMT
What did people make of the new keeper? Solid, didn’t have a lot to do but made one excellent save from point blank range. Kicking looked good.
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Post by podolipotter on Jul 26, 2018 10:33:04 GMT
The real questoin is Peter Etebo going to be the most misspelled player since Shtaniuk? Yew cud bee rite!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2018 10:35:58 GMT
It doesn't worry you that at this late stage, Rowett sees Fletcher as a genuine contender? Sadly I think Fletcher will be sticking around in the squad this season, otherwise he would not have featured so prominently so yes, I'm a bit worried about that but hopeful that we won't see too much of fletcher. My post at the time was a reaction to a bit of an over critical response about our performance in what is only a training ground exercise. I admit I am a bit concerned that we still need another striker, holding midfielder, creative attacking player and centre back and we are only a week and a half from the start of the season. my worries are: 1.lack of a creative player, 2.lack of a proper holding midfielder and 3 we need another centre back 4. We need a striker 2 may be answered by using what we have (i don't think Badou will leave) and trying to organise the midfield properly for the first time in a couple of seasons. 4 will be a loan, maybe someone like Solanke? We HAVE to make signings to sort out 1 and 3 but I think, from what Rowett says in his interviews, there will be more signings. But if we go into the new season with what we have right now we are in trouble as soon as anyone gets injured. Yes I agree with what we still need there mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2018 10:38:31 GMT
Why did he start and get so many minutes if he doesn't think he's in contention? With him missing most of Germany you would hope it was just him having a closer look in a game situation? It will be Badou, Allen, Etebo as it stands you would think. Fletcher as back up as Adam, Affelay and Cameron probably more likely to move on. The reality is he probably will get some game time this season! And that's exactly what worries me. Fletcher is finished. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team squad and at this stage I'm disappointed that the manager still thinks he's in contention to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 10:39:42 GMT
We were organised but almost entirely toothless. McClean looked positive and quick. Afobe didn’t look fit but did well with this back to goal. Ince looked short on confidence and didn’t seem to want to take his man on. Our midfield first half was garbage save for Badou. Second half we were better. Etebo was lively and comfortably the best Stoke player on the night. Diouf had a decent game on the right. Bojan was ok but his delivery was appalling. The concerns were that without Etebo there was nobody to link the play in the final third. We need either a number 10 or someone to anchor the midfield with Etebo pushing on. Thought Berahino was surprisingly tidy and interested when he came on. Fletcher and Cameron don’t look like they’re going to be much use ever again and they dealt with Crouch far more easily than I thought they might. I thought we were organised and entirely toothless under Lambert.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 26, 2018 10:40:35 GMT
How many watched it, and did Wolves out number us...Any agro... Carnage mate. At one point I almost slopped some Solero over me flip flops when I was talking to the Wolves fans in the ticket queue.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 26, 2018 10:41:23 GMT
Why on earth wouldn't a younger, better Afellay be a more realistic back up than Fletcher?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2018 10:44:23 GMT
We were organised but almost entirely toothless. McClean looked positive and quick. Afobe didn’t look fit but did well with this back to goal. Ince looked short on confidence and didn’t seem to want to take his man on. Our midfield first half was garbage save for Badou. Second half we were better. Etebo was lively and comfortably the best Stoke player on the night. Diouf had a decent game on the right. Bojan was ok but his delivery was appalling. The concerns were that without Etebo there was nobody to link the play in the final third. We need either a number 10 or someone to anchor the midfield with Etebo pushing on. Thought Berahino was surprisingly tidy and interested when he came on. Fletcher and Cameron don’t look like they’re going to be much use ever again and they dealt with Crouch far more easily than I thought they might. I thought we were organised and entirely toothless under Lambert. Agreed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2018 10:44:52 GMT
Why on earth wouldn't a younger, better Afellay be a more realistic back up than Fletcher? Presumably because he's made of sticklebricks.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 26, 2018 10:50:55 GMT
Are you sure he does? We have a lot of midfield players,too many really. If he makes the bench for Leeds than I'll get worried Why did he start and get so many minutes if he doesn't think he's in contention? Good point. I'd rather G-Cam get a half sitting in front of the back 4. Bojan could/should have played more centrally. Even Imbula was on the bench.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 26, 2018 10:52:36 GMT
What did people make of the new keeper? Solid, didn’t have a lot to do but made one excellent save from point blank range. Kicking looked good. Decent one in the second half too, one on one with 'Giles' I think his name was.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 26, 2018 14:17:56 GMT
Just back. Typical pre season kick about but a few observations: Afobe looks a good strong target man, but I fear he could end up being somewhat isolated. Allen is still the same. Don’t wish to slate the guy, but after two years I still can’t see what he actually brings other than aimlessly running about. Fletcher was a complete liability, as was Cameron when he came on. BMI should be too good for Championship level football, I’m genuinely surprised we have managed to keep him. Etebu was bloody brilliant. Early days of course, but he looks a very good player indeed. Allen was the only bloke moving off the ball Moving where though? Like I say, his clear effort doesn’t really deserve criticism but he’s a headless chicken for me.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2018 14:20:46 GMT
Afellay shouldn't be at the club, a block of Weetabix has more structural substance than his body, the poor bastard.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2018 15:02:25 GMT
I was there and saw zero aggro with Wolves fans. They were in the pub before and again, no aggro. I was fully expecting the worst to be fair and clearly so did the plod and ShowSec hence heightened security but I saw none of it. There was no real rubbing it in either.
The performance was okay I thought. It felt like a game where we could only lose really. A win and it doesn't matter because we were Prem last year and they are newly promoted. A loss and they got a bigger chance to stick the knife in and laugh at us in our own backyard. A draw was an acceptable compromise.
Fletcher is really poor though. He was a level below every other player on the pitch in my opinion. I can't tell if it's his age or if his confidence is completely shot. As a player who has achieved as much as him, you'd think confidence was less of an issue at his age. It's something I would expect to affect younger players a lot more, but he was so so wobbly last night. I was chatting to someone about Michael Vaughan the other day regarding an interview on 5Live where he explained about how as a batsman, he knew it was time to retire when he lost 'the eye', as he called it. 'The eye' being an analogy for that ability to see and react quickly. He summed it up by saying once the balls are flying past you and you're simply not getting to them, it's never coming back and it's time to pack it in. It's like Fletcher's lost 'the eye'. Things seem to happen around him and he's completely oblivious. He picks up the ball, procrastinates, often finds himself caught in possession and then runs like a slug through treacle in an attempt to regain the ball. Far too often, it is the crowd that alerts Darren to the fact he is about to lose the ball. Far too often. With his experience, I would have expected him to have an awareness only surpassed by absolutely top players. He seems to have no awareness. There could be someone behind him, next to him, slightly to the left, and yet he has absolutely no clue unless they are directly in front of him.
Last night was proof that Darren isn't getting better. He's getting worse..... or at least staying the same. At best he's a squad player, but even then he needs to be a 'second' squad player. If he's our immediate backup, then any kind of injury crisis could leave us in real shit state.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 26, 2018 16:17:01 GMT
Imbula, unused sub. Did he get any game time in Germany? If not another window of trying to get a loan for our useless lump record signing beckons.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 26, 2018 18:09:26 GMT
What did people make of the new keeper? I thought he could have claimed a few more. A couple of crosses landed where he coulda/shoulda been bolder. At least one through ball he should have been on his toes to clear but stayed back and relied on the last tackle. Shot stopper though.
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Post by smatty88 on Jul 26, 2018 18:15:05 GMT
Imbula, unused sub. Did he get any game time in Germany? If not another window of trying to get a loan for our useless lump record signing beckons. Will be interesting to see if either him or Choupo get any minutes against St Pauli.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 26, 2018 18:27:29 GMT
Imbula, unused sub. Did he get any game time in Germany? If not another window of trying to get a loan for our useless lump record signing beckons. Will be interesting to see if either him or Choupo get any minutes against St Pauli. Exactly. I gave up trawling through the Germany match reports to find out if Imbula got a kick out there or not. As he didn't play v Wolves it means: He is so up to speed and needs no more monitoring from the boss and is guaranteed to start v Leeds OR He's injured OR Saving him for St Pauli OR Rowett has seen enough already.
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 27, 2018 6:46:49 GMT
Allen was the only bloke moving off the ball Moving where though? Like I say, his clear effort doesn’t really deserve criticism but he’s a headless chicken for me. It needs all of the daft buggers to move on front of them that are doing the tippy teapot bollox if they don’t it’s only going to be the one thing we have seen happen - the sand wedge pass. The need to move interchangeably between themselves. Really what we see is basically players with the hands on there bloody hips waiting for someone else to do .. erm the sand wedge pass ... tippy tippy bollox is ok cus it’s supposed to be patiently waiting for the right opportunity to all of a sudden go forward. That ain’t going happen if folk don’t move , may as well lump it initially and stop pretending you can blend in with the current fashion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 7:02:35 GMT
Will be interesting to see if either him or Choupo get any minutes against St Pauli. Exactly. I gave up trawling through the Germany match reports to find out if Imbula got a kick out there or not. As he didn't play v Wolves it means: He is so up to speed and needs no more monitoring from the boss and is guaranteed to start v Leeds OR He's injured OR Saving him for St Pauli OR Rowett has seen enough already. He played for 20 minutes of the Meppen game before subbed off injured. Took me 2 minutes to find.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 27, 2018 7:44:23 GMT
Exactly. I gave up trawling through the Germany match reports to find out if Imbula got a kick out there or not. As he didn't play v Wolves it means: He is so up to speed and needs no more monitoring from the boss and is guaranteed to start v Leeds OR He's injured OR Saving him for St Pauli OR Rowett has seen enough already. He played for 20 minutes of the Meppen game before subbed off injured. Took me 2 minutes to find. Seems like he is not interested and is well down the pecking order for GR, I will be very surprised if he stays
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 27, 2018 8:16:06 GMT
Exactly. I gave up trawling through the Germany match reports to find out if Imbula got a kick out there or not. As he didn't play v Wolves it means: He is so up to speed and needs no more monitoring from the boss and is guaranteed to start v Leeds OR He's injured OR Saving him for St Pauli OR Rowett has seen enough already. He played for 20 minutes of the Meppen game before subbed off injured. Took me 2 minutes to find. You have a much higher boredom threshold then
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Post by M on Jul 27, 2018 8:31:57 GMT
Why did he start and get so many minutes if he doesn't think he's in contention? Good point. I'd rather G-Cam get a half sitting in front of the back 4. Bojan could/should have played more centrally. Even Imbula was on the bench. I'd love to see someone (Especially Bojan) given a go in the middle behind Afobe but from what I saw at Wolves nobody played that role and I'm not sure (not seen much of the other friendlies) if we've tried that in any others? I'm assuming because Wolves was probably the most competitive (I know it was a drab affair) test we've had this summer if that was in his thinking we'd have seen it then; but we didn't so I've accepted defeat that he wants to play with three across the middle which can then change on to move to 442 or maybe even someone in the hole but if the hole was happening I wouldn't be surprised to see Etebo pushed up there... That's pretty much put to bed any hope for me that Bojan is going to heavily feature if at all so I wouldn't be surprised to see him on a plane to the USofA before Leeds... Especially if Chouppo doesn't find a new home... I reckon his only hope is to be back up to McClean...
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Post by davethebass on Jul 27, 2018 20:27:17 GMT
Why does he say Badou as if he's referring to something out of the fucking jungle book. He's probably saying it how Badou himself says it. I know a bloke from Gambia called Ben Badou and he says it the same way....."B'doo", with the emphasis on "doo".......hope that helps
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 27, 2018 23:16:54 GMT
Why does he say Badou as if he's referring to something out of the fucking jungle book. He's probably saying it how Badou himself says it. I know a bloke from Gambia called Ben Badou and he says it the same way....."B'doo", with the emphasis on "doo".......hope that helps Interesting. Does he emphasise the B, the E or the N in Ben?
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Post by davethebass on Jul 28, 2018 15:56:42 GMT
He's probably saying it how Badou himself says it. I know a bloke from Gambia called Ben Badou and he says it the same way....."B'doo", with the emphasis on "doo".......hope that helps Interesting. Does he emphasise the B, the E or the N in Ben? Thanks. The E mate.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 28, 2018 19:12:58 GMT
Why does he say Badou as if he's referring to something out of the fucking jungle book. He's probably saying it how Badou himself says it. I know a bloke from Gambia called Ben Badou and he says it the same way....."B'doo", with the emphasis on "doo".......hope that helps Fair enough, better response than "That's his name"
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Post by davethebass on Jul 29, 2018 19:01:15 GMT
He's probably saying it how Badou himself says it. I know a bloke from Gambia called Ben Badou and he says it the same way....."B'doo", with the emphasis on "doo".......hope that helps Fair enough, better response than "That's his name" Cheers man, was a good question, deserves a fair response.
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