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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 21, 2018 7:59:13 GMT
Most managers get sacked at some point unless you're Guardiola. Mourihno, Ancelloti, Luis Enrique, Mancini, and Benitez have all been sacked but I wouldn't turn any of them down. Attracting away from peers and even a division below isn't always straightforward as we found with Rowett. Graham Potter, Dean Smith or someone like Danny Cowley might fit the "up and coming" profile - but would be a huge risk - particularly when we seem to have a dysfunctional bunch of incompetents upstairs by way of managerial infrastructure. You might get the next Sean Dyche - but you might also get the next Frank de Boer. Oh eh up 6 games at Crystal Palace has proved De Boer is a useless manager now. Not a bad appointment by Palace who’d been set up by Allardyce a polar opposite as they should have know and been prepared to give him time or else not made such an appointment that guaranteed radical change. To make such a change overnight when you don't have the players to play that way is both bad management and career suicide. De Boer was relatively successful at Ajax - but that is like being successful at Rangers or Celtic - but lasted 14 games at Inter and 6 at Palace. Neither of which suggests he is a good manager. You could see what he was trying to do at Palace but it wasn't working - you therefore have to adapt in the meantime. He didn't. You're right in that it wasn't a great appointment for the reasons you have said - and the Palace hierarchy share the blame in that - but if he had have stayed they would have been relegated. He might well rock up somewhere else in Europe but it won't be in the Premier League. The flaw in my argument above was that he also had previously been sacked - as indeed had Sean Dyche. Which goes back to my original response to the OP that finding someone with experience who hasn't at some point been sacked is nigh on impossible. |
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Post by rawli on May 21, 2018 8:25:45 GMT
Perhaps you need to be sacked to learn from what went wrong. Ferguson was sacked from his first job I think.
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Post by fca47 on May 21, 2018 10:17:16 GMT
Alladyce a failed manager? What planet are these people on.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 21, 2018 10:44:56 GMT
There's three certain things in life. Death taxes and football managers getting sacked. If you want one who's never been sacked it's a short list of possibilities.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 11:19:08 GMT
Allerdyce..sacked,Moyes...sacked!!! Florres...sacked!! Why must we chase failed managers? Why not,as a club, look at whos doing well with limited budget and buck the trend of appointing other clubs shit!!! The three biggest twats at Stoke are all still in a job..Cartwright Scholes and Hughes!!! It's not a bad point...but name a successful manager that hasn't faced the sack at some point in his career- Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho et al? They all got the sack. Potter has not been sacked yet. Perhaps that is being held against him. |
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Post by andylgr on May 21, 2018 11:35:57 GMT
Hasn't every manager 'failed' and been sacked at some point?
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Post by ohbottom on May 21, 2018 11:37:31 GMT
Perhaps you need to be sacked to learn from what went wrong. Ferguson was sacked from his first job I think. He was but it was because he'd already said he was going to Aberdeen and tried to tap up players to go with him. There was a lot of broohaha around it at the time. |
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Post by Veritas on May 21, 2018 11:39:56 GMT
Hasn't every manager 'failed' and being sacked at some point? Yes just look at that waster at Chelsea he has had two seasons and all he has won is a Premier League title and the FA Cup no wonder they are looking to get rid!! |
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Post by rawli on May 21, 2018 12:09:59 GMT
Perhaps you need to be sacked to learn from what went wrong. Ferguson was sacked from his first job I think. He was but it was because he'd already said he was going to Aberdeen and tried to tap up players to go with him. There was a lot of broohaha around it at the time. Oh, my mistake. Perhaps he learned from it though😀. |
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Post by shangamuzo on May 21, 2018 12:33:22 GMT
Allerdyce..sacked,Moyes...sacked!!! Florres...sacked!! Why must we chase failed managers? Why not,as a club, look at whos doing well with limited budget and buck the trend of appointing other clubs shit!!! The three biggest twats at Stoke are all still in a job..Cartwright Scholes and Hughes!!! Everton fans are deluded. They are not top 6 material and IMO, are not going to be in the foreseeable future. |
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