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Post by senojbor on May 16, 2018 6:48:56 GMT
What makes you think he'd come? Stoke are not as big and an attractive a proposition that some people think. Where else is he going to go? As things stand, we're a pretty attractive prospect as second tier sides go, even with the rebuilding job that needs doing. Who knows but once the PL clubs start to sack managers, which they will inevitably do, he'll get a bigger club than us.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 6:51:58 GMT
Where else is he going to go? As things stand, we're a pretty attractive prospect as second tier sides go, even with the rebuilding job that needs doing. Who knows but once the PL clubs start to sack managers, which they will inevitably do, he'll get a bigger club than us. I'm not sure he will. I think last season might well have done a fair bit of damage to the old boys' club network. Looking at the teams, it's hard to see one who'd give him a job. The new breed like Brighton and Huddersfield and Bournemouth tend to think more outside the box with their choices. Southampton's a possibility but even then they tend generally to look abroad. I can't see a team in there who'd want him and he's done precious little in the last five years to warrant a Prem job.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 16, 2018 7:03:10 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners.
ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels Arse
Evert Leics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign)
Palace WHam Newc Burn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere)
Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon)
Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?)
Soton Cardiff (maybe in about January?)
Wolves Play-off winners
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 7:08:36 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners. ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels ArseEvertLeics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign) Palace WHam NewcBurn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere) Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon) Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?) Soton Cardiff WolvesPlay-off winners Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 16, 2018 7:12:49 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners. ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels ArseEvertLeics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign) Palace WHam NewcBurn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere) Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon) Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?) Soton Cardiff WolvesPlay-off winners Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. It depends how *cough* "ambitious" the *cough* "project" we can sell is? I'm not expecting it to blow anyone's socks off though. So, I agree. I cannot see either of these 2 being interested. And that's what worries me, because our board are't bold enough to go for Potter, Jokanovic is unrealistic, Silva is an obvious no-go and these 2 won't drop down this summer. So I'm not sure where that leaves us.... It simply can't be Lambert, but I'm not sure where they'll go.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 7:16:08 GMT
Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. It depends how *cough* "ambitious" the *cough* "project" we can sell is? I'm not expecting it to blow anyone's socks off though. So, I agree. I cannot see either of these 2 being interested. And that's what worries me, because our board are't bold enough to go for Potter, Jokanovic is unrealistic, Silva is an obvious no-go and these 2 won't drop down this summer. So I'm not sure where that leaves us.... It simply can't be Lambert, but I'm not sure where they'll go. As I said weeks ago mate, we're in McCarthy territory. Cheap and British. Right up his street. The Strachan link from a poster who doesn't BS has me terrified.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 16, 2018 7:16:25 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners. ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels ArseEvertLeics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign) Palace WHam NewcBurn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere) Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon) Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?) Soton Cardiff WolvesPlay-off winners Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. Money
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 7:17:37 GMT
Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. Money Oh, have we come into some? Last I heard and saw it was being stripped back to cost under that now infamous phrase...
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Post by senojbor on May 16, 2018 7:18:16 GMT
Who knows but once the PL clubs start to sack managers, which they will inevitably do, he'll get a bigger club than us. I'm not sure he will. I think last season might well have done a fair bit of damage to the old boys' club network. Looking at the teams, it's hard to see one who'd give him a job. The new breed like Brighton and Huddersfield and Bournemouth tend to think more outside the box with their choices. Southampton's a possibility but even then they tend generally to look abroad. I can't see a team in there who'd want him and he's done precious little in the last five years to warrant a Prem job. Neither did Hughes warrant it. Leicester, Everton, Southampton or any of the promoted clubs which starts badly will be his next job. Moyes is a high profile manager and I very much doubt he'd consider coming here. Hughes was probably the highest profile manager we've ever had. We don't do high profile experienced managers as our history tells us, to our cost.
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Post by senojbor on May 16, 2018 7:20:48 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners. ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels ArseEvertLeics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign) Palace WHam NewcBurn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere) Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon) Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?) Soton Cardiff WolvesPlay-off winners Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. Stop talking sense mate, you really should know better
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 7:23:22 GMT
I'm not sure he will. I think last season might well have done a fair bit of damage to the old boys' club network. Looking at the teams, it's hard to see one who'd give him a job. The new breed like Brighton and Huddersfield and Bournemouth tend to think more outside the box with their choices. Southampton's a possibility but even then they tend generally to look abroad. I can't see a team in there who'd want him and he's done precious little in the last five years to warrant a Prem job. Neither did Hughes warrant it. Leicester, Everton, Southampton or any of the promoted clubs which starts badly will be his next job. Moyes is a high profile manager and I very much doubt he'd consider coming here. Hughes was probably the highest profile manager we've ever had. We don't do high profile experienced managers as our history tells us, to our cost. He's hardly that high profile, he's a manager who's just done a middling - at best - job at West Ham after being a nuclear bomb at Sunderland and a failure in Spain. He's not as high profile as Brian Little was when we appointed him. Hughes when we appointed him was worth a shot, he only had one real blemish on his CV. I don't see Moyes going back to Everton, they were bored to death of him when he left. Leicester asre getting rid of Puel because he isn't sexy enough for them. Southampton is a possibility but I don't see Moyes sitting by the phone waiting six months for them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 7:24:42 GMT
Moyes and Sam will be in almost identical positions. Almost impossible to see a Prem club for either. Even as an Autumn/Winter appointment, nothing seems obvious, given the way they divide fanbases and are generally unappealing to owners. ManC ManU Spurs Liv Chels ArseEvertLeics (will be looking for something a lot more sexy, and probably foreign) Palace WHam NewcBurn (if Dyche went, maybe. But he isn't going anywhere) Bmouth (from Howe to one of those 2. Good luck with that! Would go down like a lead balloon) Watf (always go foreign) Brighton (new deal for Hughton yesterday) Hudds (Wagner likely to go somewhere, so possibly the stand-out option. But doesn't really seem a match?) Soton Cardiff WolvesPlay-off winners Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. Neither manager's stock is particularly high is it? Allardyce doesn't need the work but Moyes' reputation has had a light dusting rather than a deep clean.
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Post by senojbor on May 16, 2018 7:26:53 GMT
Neither did Hughes warrant it. Leicester, Everton, Southampton or any of the promoted clubs which starts badly will be his next job. Moyes is a high profile manager and I very much doubt he'd consider coming here. Hughes was probably the highest profile manager we've ever had. We don't do high profile experienced managers as our history tells us, to our cost. He's hardly that high profile, he's a manager who's just done a middling - at best - job at West Ham after being a nuclear bomb at Sunderland and a failure in Spain. He's not as high profile as Brian Little was when we appointed him. Hughes when we appointed him was worth a shot, he only had one real blemish on his CV. I don't see Moyes going back to Everton, they were bored to death of him when he left. Leicester asre getting rid of Puel because he isn't sexy enough for them. Southampton is a possibility but I don't see Moyes sitting by the phone waiting six months for them. He managed Man United which is a bit high profile don't you think?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 7:28:44 GMT
He's hardly that high profile, he's a manager who's just done a middling - at best - job at West Ham after being a nuclear bomb at Sunderland and a failure in Spain. He's not as high profile as Brian Little was when we appointed him. Hughes when we appointed him was worth a shot, he only had one real blemish on his CV. I don't see Moyes going back to Everton, they were bored to death of him when he left. Leicester asre getting rid of Puel because he isn't sexy enough for them. Southampton is a possibility but I don't see Moyes sitting by the phone waiting six months for them. He managed Man United which is a bit high profile don't you think? 5-6 years ago and was a dismal failure. I really don't think he can play that card anymore, especially given what's happened since.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 7:37:11 GMT
Either manager could afford to sit back and wait couldn't they, with Allardyce potentially walking away for good at the end of the season and Moyes dropping down next season or so? What motivation have either got for dropping down a league now when their stock is so high? Come November that list of yours will potentially have a few of those teams un-crossed out desperate for a safe pair of hands to guide them up the table. Put yourself in their shoes, complete with their ego. Would you drop down to the Championship and manage a newly relegated team with question marks over team funding, question marks over senior management and a club that has started airing it's dirty linen in the press, through a leak somewhere? They have little to gain and a lot to lose. Neither manager's stock is particularly high is it? Allardyce doesn't need the work but Moyes' reputation has had a light dusting rather than a deep clean. In terms of the bottom of the league and the November crew, it is very high I would have thought. Allardyce from a different angle of not needing the money means he can pick and choose and wait, and the job Moyes did in turning around a potential Hughes-esque holiday camp mess at West Ham will be looked at in a very different light you would have thought. Managers that can come in and do a job from November onwards are like gold dust, and they know it. The point is, neither manager will want to step out of that and risk it by dropping to the Championship like Pulis has done with Boro. It's a long road back once you go down that route and your name gets forgotten easily for the latest fancy name off the continent if you spend a few seasons down there struggling to get out. I'd be shocked if we got Moyes and i'd question his sanity if I'm honest.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 7:44:31 GMT
Neither manager's stock is particularly high is it? Allardyce doesn't need the work but Moyes' reputation has had a light dusting rather than a deep clean. In terms of the bottom of the league and the November crew, it is very high I would have thought. Allardyce from a different angle of not needing the money means he can pick and choose and wait, and the job Moyes did in turning around a potential Hughes-esque holiday camp mess at West Ham will be looked at in a very different light you would have thought. Managers that can come in and do a job from November onwards are like gold dust, and they know it. The point is, neither manager will want to step out of that and risk it by dropping to the Championship like Pulis has done with Boro. It's a long road back once you go down that route and your name gets forgotten easily for the latest fancy name off the continent if you spend a few seasons down there struggling to get out. I'd be shocked if we got Moyes and i'd question his sanity if I'm honest. I think you're overstating the November crew thing to be honest. Looking at the teams actually in the league, who is really going to go for that? Most of them have more imagination. The ones that don't are the ones that have already employed him.
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Post by senojbor on May 16, 2018 7:47:01 GMT
He managed Man United which is a bit high profile don't you think? 5-6 years ago and was a dismal failure. I really don't think he can play that card anymore, especially given what's happened since. He took over a side that were losing their better players through age. Both Van Gaal nor Mourinho have hardly set the world alight there after despite spending massively. He's a better manager than you give him credit for
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Post by smallthorner on May 16, 2018 7:47:12 GMT
Err... He could go Aston Villa if they lose the play-off. He could go Swansea. He could go West Brom He could go Ipswich (or are they sorted?) He could go Burnley if Dyche goes somewhere else. All similar jobs. What are you on about? Burnley are in Europe. They are by far the most attractive club in that list and their manager is going nowhere. Ipswich? The least attractive of course. Villa, could go up and then they would be more attractive than stoke then but then their manager would go nowhere and they will be relegation battlers. Stoke west brom and swansea all fishing in the same,pool so we need to get on the ball quickly I was answering the question.. "Where else could he go?" And you've done a good job of answering it as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 7:50:16 GMT
In terms of the bottom of the league and the November crew, it is very high I would have thought. Allardyce from a different angle of not needing the money means he can pick and choose and wait, and the job Moyes did in turning around a potential Hughes-esque holiday camp mess at West Ham will be looked at in a very different light you would have thought. Managers that can come in and do a job from November onwards are like gold dust, and they know it. The point is, neither manager will want to step out of that and risk it by dropping to the Championship like Pulis has done with Boro. It's a long road back once you go down that route and your name gets forgotten easily for the latest fancy name off the continent if you spend a few seasons down there struggling to get out. I'd be shocked if we got Moyes and i'd question his sanity if I'm honest. I think you're overstating the November crew thing to be honest. Looking at the teams actually in the league, who is really going to go for that? Most of them have more imagination. The ones that don't are the ones that have already employed him. The prospect of losing TV money does strange things to Chairman at the best of times! We'll soon see how it plays out I guess?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2018 8:01:42 GMT
5-6 years ago and was a dismal failure. I really don't think he can play that card anymore, especially given what's happened since. He took over a side that were losing their better players through age. Both Van Gaal nor Mourinho have hardly set the world alight there after despite spending massively. He's a better manager than you give him credit for They've both done way better than him. He took over the champions and turned them into Everton. He spent £27m on Fellaini when he had a release clause of £22m. He made Rio Ferdinand watch videos of Phil Jagielka to teach him how to defend better. He lost a first leg of a Champions League tie 2-0 to the mighty Olympiakos. He instructed his team to do nothing but cross the ball into the box against a doomed Fulham team who had two 6ft plus centre halves to calmly head them away all match. They drew. He then told anyone who questioned that approach 'they didn't have a football brain'. He wasn't cut out for the job and he's done nothing since. He's not a terrible manager and if we appoint him then it could've been much, much worse. He did a magnificent job at Everton. But that was a long time ago now.
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Post by dan55 on May 16, 2018 8:22:12 GMT
Rather him than Lambert
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Post by FullerMagic on May 16, 2018 11:00:18 GMT
It is understood Moyes is unhappy with the way the situation has been dealt with and has told those close to him he would not countenance a return, should he be offered the opportunity.
Coatesy will be like a kid at Christmas. Obviously he'll get an orange and a bag of nuts rather than Sam or Moyesy, but even so...
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Post by DC1863 on May 16, 2018 11:23:49 GMT
Moyes apparently left Wet Sham.
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Post by mosquito on May 16, 2018 11:25:31 GMT
Big Sam any day for me
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Post by leoncort on May 16, 2018 11:26:04 GMT
Sky Sports - Moyes Leaves WHU. They say things come in three's, 'Paul Lambert leaves Stoke City' PLEASEEEE
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 16, 2018 11:26:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:27:11 GMT
It is understood Moyes is unhappy with the way the situation has been dealt with and has told those close to him he would not countenance a return, should he be offered the opportunity.
Coatesy will be like a kid at Christmas. Obviously he'll get an orange and a bag of nuts rather than Sam or Moyesy, but even so... I'm led to believe there are scenes currently at Bet365 HQ that Barbara from accounts hasn't seen for years...
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Post by robrigo on May 16, 2018 11:28:41 GMT
I’m undecided on Moyes. He just doesn’t inspire me but he’s in a different stratosphere to Lambert.
Possibly at a stable club, with a defined project and backing to build he could rediscover his Everton days. He’s been a bit of a nomad for a few years.
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Post by doitforfrank on May 16, 2018 11:28:57 GMT
Its the day for change in the Premier League. David Moyes now gone.
Take your pick Pete, but please get rid of the loser that is Lambert
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 16, 2018 11:37:00 GMT
Moyes wouldn't even be in the top 5 that I'd be looking at but I could probably see why the board would be interested. I'd take him over Lambert but I think he thinks he's too big for a Championship job anyway. Like Lambert, it's a while since he did anything of note. Did a great job at Everton initially but couldn't push them on to the next level, Man United was disastrous and the three jobs that followed were pretty bad too.
I'm not sure on him.
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