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Post by lancer on May 7, 2018 8:17:17 GMT
I won't blame Lambert for taking us down, he could only play what he had to play, but I think I can guarantee that he won't get us promoted. His subbing leaves me absolutely flummoxed. Peter Coates, if you are serious about SCFC, and I'm sure you are, you need to ship out Lambert with a lot of the deadwood. I don't know who might replace Lambert, but there must be better prospects in or around the game.The players that need unloading are an easir thing. Too many overpayed and under performing mercenaries on the books.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 8:22:23 GMT
He has won 1 in 14 in the weakest premier league since we've been in it.
I didn't think it was possible but we look even worse than we did under Hughes.
He's had plenty of time, Jesus wept he should have been able to fluke at least another win or two especially since it's been against bottom half teams.
He's been an utter disaster but he tried his all. The blame for the last 14 games goes on the boards head. Poor decision after poor decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 8:26:20 GMT
Lambert played a big part in us going down, he actually managed to make things worse.
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Post by stokie23 on May 7, 2018 8:36:33 GMT
I won't blame Lambert for taking us down, he could only play what he had to play, but I think I can guarantee that he won't get us promoted. His subbing leaves me absolutely flummoxed. Peter Coates, if you are serious about SCFC, and I'm sure you are, you need to ship out Lambert with a lot of the deadwood. I don't know who might replace Lambert, but there must be better prospects in or around the game.The players that need unloading are an easir thing. Too many overpayed and under performing mercenaries on the books. I understanding what your saying. Lambert is ultimately responsibly for our relegation but there are at least 3/4 others I would blame more for the situation the club is currently in ( Hughes, several of board, certain mercenarie players...) I want Lambert gone and a fresh start with a Graham Potter type but if he has to stay, please for Christ sake him him the money to do it... and make the decision early if it’s all going tits up ! |
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Post by Sven on May 7, 2018 8:42:38 GMT
things had been spiralling out of control for months and months and to come in and stop that rot is almost an impossible task with the piss poor squad we have, the real people to blame are the people at management level who have buried there head in the sand, coates, hughes, scholes, cartwright etc they are culpable in my eyes. November 2017--- whats all the fuss about   |
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Post by potterpaul on May 7, 2018 8:44:12 GMT
He had to work with the same Hughes did except with a couple of better players in crucial positions but got no where near Hughes in the points per game column.
Hughes was shit, Lambert was worse you can't get away from the fact.
His record before he took over had FAILURE rubber stamped on it and was screaming "Don't fucking do it Pete" but our 'sleepwalk' had led us down to a dingy backstreet called Desperation Place that led to Relegation Circuit.
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Post by thevoid on May 7, 2018 9:05:43 GMT
Lambert played a big part in us going down, he actually managed to make things worse. Ending up behind a West Brom side who'd had three wins to their name and the embarrassment of the antics in Spain permeating their club takes some doing. Especially when you've had more games against clubs you'd bookmark as 'winnable' than top opposition. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 7, 2018 9:15:50 GMT
Go on you fella but I blame him.
His football is appalling to watch and he has made Stoke City a laughing stock and will probably get paid a million quid or more for basically failing.
The problems run deeper of course otherwise he wouldnt have got the job in the first place, but I never want to see him manage another Stoke City game
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Post by roylandstoke on May 7, 2018 9:31:13 GMT
It's really hard for me not to put some blame on a fella who plays our first decent RB in years on the left wing.
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Post by stokiesteve on May 7, 2018 9:37:20 GMT
Its not entirely his fault, the rot had already set in and he tried to create positivity, which at first looked enough.
But tactically he is a dinosaur and makes Pulis look like Ferguson. In my view he is a good back room coach and a good man to have around the training centre but in no way is he a manager, certainly not in the premier league, maybe in leagues one or two he could hold his own.
I don't dislike the bloke but with no hard feelings, he's gotta go. We can't afford to give people second chances in the Championship we need to have a manager who knows the division and knows how to get the best of a squad in that division, someone like Rowett, or even Pearson.
We won't be looking for promotion next year, the club has to adjust and we're not going to be ready like other clubs who have been relegated theres too much to do. But we have to make sure we don't end up in a relegation battle and employing the right manager will go some way to starting that process.
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Post by drfishy on May 7, 2018 9:38:21 GMT
things had been spiralling out of control for months and months and to come in and stop that rot is almost an impossible task with the piss poor squad we have, the real people to blame are the people at management level who have buried there head in the sand, coates, hughes, scholes, cartwright etc they are culpable in my eyes. November 2017--- whats all the fuss about I know Coates said this but if it's true a bloody victory against Watford saved Hughes then the board knew what the fuss was all about. But they kept loyal and hoped. I HATE WATFORD ! |
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Post by thevoid on May 7, 2018 9:41:48 GMT
things had been spiralling out of control for months and months and to come in and stop that rot is almost an impossible task with the piss poor squad we have, the real people to blame are the people at management level who have buried there head in the sand, coates, hughes, scholes, cartwright etc they are culpable in my eyes. November 2017--- whats all the fuss about I know Coates said this but if it's true a bloody victory against Watford saved Hughes then the board knew what the fuss was all about. But they kept loyal and hoped. I HATE WATFORD ! How ironic that our only away win in 1.5 seasons sealed our fate. We can't even win without fucking up 🙄 |
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 7, 2018 9:51:16 GMT
It’s unfair to pin all or even the majority of the blame on Lambert as Hughes, Coates, Scholes, Cartwright and the players all have to take a share of it. Lambert got lucky getting a job in the Premier League, you can’t fault him for taking it, but if anyone wants to know the big problem it’s those who replaced a hopeless looking manager in Hughes with someone even worse.
As for next season with the current set up we’ve no chance of returning to the top any time soon. Even if Lambert was to leave he’d only be replaced with another cheap option. There would still be a load of poor players and bad eggs. And still those tits in the offices. There’s more shit to come yet.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on May 7, 2018 10:01:02 GMT
Not 100% to blame but he has made us worse so he has to go & quick so someone else has time & money to form a squad of players with big hearts & a pride in the shirt.
Getting back to the blame game only one person should shoulder that & its Peter Coates sorry to say you did a good job coming back & putting things right but the last 2 years you seemed to have taken your eye off the ball & we are all suffering for it such a shame because it was easily unavoidable IMO.
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Post by ohbottom on May 7, 2018 11:30:38 GMT
I won't blame Lambert for taking the job, nor for the situation we were in when he came.
However, there were factors in his favour in terms of getting that "new manager" bounce. We'd just acquired our first decent RB for years, plus Badou clearly improved our MF; so he had an improved squad to work with.
Also, he came in at the start of our most benign run of fixtures of the season. Looking at the games we had up to the end of March I thought surely we could manage to win 3 of them at least, with a couple of draws. Sadly not.
If Lambert had achieved even half the "bounce" Darren Moore has managed we'd have been safe before now.
I'm desperately hoping he's gone at the end of the season
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Post by liamo on May 7, 2018 11:37:38 GMT
It's an unknown sadly, impossible to predict how he'll do when he goes out to buy offensive players
His main focus coming in was to make us hard to beat, he did that but at the expense of not scoring goals, we can't go down with that mindset though, we need to be hard to beat AND free scoring, how can anyone say how he'll try to achieve that until he attempts it?
Graham Potter would be in the exact same boat, unless we can get our own Rafa we're entering unknown territory
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2018 11:45:15 GMT
Don't blame the monkey blame the organ grinder, you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 7, 2018 14:12:44 GMT
Don't blame the monkey blame the organ grinder, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. If I had a monkey who could play RB I wouldn't play it on the left wing. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 7, 2018 14:26:06 GMT
I won't blame Lambert for taking us down, he could only play what he had to play, but I think I can guarantee that he won't get us promoted. His subbing leaves me absolutely flummoxed. Peter Coates, if you are serious about SCFC, and I'm sure you are, you need to ship out Lambert with a lot of the deadwood. I don't know who might replace Lambert, but there must be better prospects in or around the game.The players that need unloading are an easir thing. Too many overpayed and under performing mercenaries on the books. I understanding what your saying. Lambert is ultimately responsibly for our relegation but there are at least 3/4 others I would blame more for the situation the club is currently in ( Hughes, several of board, certain mercenarie players...) I want Lambert gone and a fresh start with a Graham Potter type but if he has to stay, please for Christ sake him him the money to do it... and make the decision early if it’s all going tits up ! And by "Graham Potter type" you mean taking a punt on someone with no experience at this level and hope for the best? If we do get rid of Lambert let's at least pin our hopes on someone with some sort of cv rather than some spotty hopeful with a vague connection to the area. Romantic wishful thinking is going to make matters a hell of a lot worse. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 14:32:58 GMT
I reckon Lambert will get a pay off for relegating us. There is no other logical reason to appoint a man do bad other than to get us relegated
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 7, 2018 14:38:23 GMT
There's no doubt at all that Lambert should shoulder some of the blame for relegation. One win in fourteen games is just unacceptable. He claimed to know what was needed before taking the job, and he has been a complete and utter failure.
I'm not disputing that Hughes' time was up, but I still believe we would have found a few more points than Lambert managed, and that might just have been enough. It doesn't matter now, what's done is done and we'll never know what would have or could have been, but the fact remains. Lambert was fucking awful and needs to go.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 14:44:18 GMT
A manager who has any inkling of knowledge of formations or tactics keeps us up easily.
He had to win about 3 out of 15 games, he got 1.
We played a defensive 442 in a must win game. A formation that has never worked for us, and plays perfectly to our weaknesses. Wastes our best player whilst relying on some of our worst to produce quality they just don't have.
He's forced us to play with our hands tied behind our back, and despite being a lovely bloke who's done some good things, Lambert is just not good enough tactically to manage us.
I don't really blame him for it, it's unfortunate but he just isn't good enough.
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2018 14:59:30 GMT
It's an unknown sadly, impossible to predict how he'll do when he goes out to buy offensive players His main focus coming in was to make us hard to beat, he did that but at the expense of not scoring goals, we can't go down with that mindset though, we need to be hard to beat AND free scoring, how can anyone say how he'll try to achieve that until he attempts it? Graham Potter would be in the exact same boat, unless we can get our own Rafa we're entering unknown territory His main focus when he was appointed was to save us from relegation he failed miserably, he was a disaster appointment by a disaster of a board. |
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Post by liamo on May 7, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
It's an unknown sadly, impossible to predict how he'll do when he goes out to buy offensive players His main focus coming in was to make us hard to beat, he did that but at the expense of not scoring goals, we can't go down with that mindset though, we need to be hard to beat AND free scoring, how can anyone say how he'll try to achieve that until he attempts it? Graham Potter would be in the exact same boat, unless we can get our own Rafa we're entering unknown territory His main focus when he was appointed was to save us from relegation he failed miserably, he was a disaster appointment by a disaster of a board. No arguments there really, whatever happens we're entering unknown territory, a decade changes a lot and we need someone at the helm who knows exactly what they need and how they want to play, is that lambert? I have no clue, we shouldn't even be in this position |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 7, 2018 15:21:40 GMT
I'll blame Lambert as much as anyone else...
We were 18th (bottom three) when he took over, with West Brom just below us and Swansea bottom....
We're now bottom (never got out of the bottom 3), Swansea (even though they're still in the mix), managed to climb out of the bottom 3....and now West Brom look like they could possibly avoid the drop, after putting in some excellent performances in the last few weeks!!!
We've gone down without even a wimper, and Lambert is as much to blame as anyone!!!
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