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Post by sheikhmomo on May 6, 2018 10:55:27 GMT
Fuck me it's going to take some creativity to blame Hughes for this fucking calamity.
I'm sure they'll have a good go though. The Teflon Twins must remain blameless at all times.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 6, 2018 10:56:47 GMT
Isn’t Rondon’s pretty similar at WBA as well?Both pathetic if so
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 6, 2018 10:59:00 GMT
Unless I'm missing something that's just the value that triggers the release clause, doesn't mean that's what he'll go for (unless he insists), if he's that good there'll be a bidding war and the 14.5m figure becomes irrelevant? But if there is a 14.5m release clause his agent will make sure everyone knows it, so interested clubs can basically get a bargain (all bid 14.5m) and XS gets a big signing bonus. If the clause exists and he doesn't do that then his agent is as stupid as Cartwright. And since MW is the dumbest fuck in the world this is unlikely. Assuming no clause we should be looking for Arnie type money. Tnx. Yes that makes sense. How do normal relegation clause work, do they always have a figure that triggers a release. Playing devils advocate, maybe that's the figure Shaq insisted on, keeping it low to guarantee he'd get away. Easy to blame Scholes for everything at the moment but Shaq wasn't going to agree to a figure that potentially might not be met and see him "stuck at Stoke"
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 6, 2018 11:16:18 GMT
Oh dear why would anyone be surprised , Why do we think all the stuff was coming out about terrified of reiegation , all the dirty linen is going to exposed now and there is nothing they can do about it .
The commercial incompetence is staggering but of course to have negotiated it out mid term would cost totally at ods with self sufficiency if you delude yourself the day won’t come .
Mr Scholes your crime sheet to date on your watch 1 loss of £100m revenue 2 appointment of the worst manager in our history 3 faillure to protect key assets Arnie , Nzonzi ,Shaq and who knows who else soon to be exposed 4 loss of at a guess 50- 100 jobs in your team 5 overseeing the catastrophic signings that have wasted £50m
If you can turn up for work after that lot the complacency and arrogance of the last two years is surpassed only by contemptible personal avarice
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Post by scfc5 on May 6, 2018 12:43:08 GMT
The release fee at that level may well have been just about defensible when he signed. However, the rise in transfer fees since he did has left this looking woefully small. In which case (assuming we didn't) what was needed was to renegotiate his contract to at least increase the fee and perhaps give him a little sweetener in terms of wages at the same time. No-one knows if we tried that.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 6, 2018 12:46:14 GMT
The release fee at that level may well have been just about defensible when he signed. However, the rise in transfer fees since he did has left this looking woefully small. In which case (assuming we didn't) what was needed was to renegotiate his contract to at least increase the fee and perhaps give him a little sweetener in terms of wages at the same time. No-one knows if we tried that. Agree but ifciurse as I said that would cost so the cheaper option is to do nothing and hope o4 not try hard enough either way it’s a recipe for self inflicted disaster .
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Post by sportsman on May 6, 2018 12:51:11 GMT
As long as there's a clause in the clubs finances that state the club make up any difference in the market value of a player.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 6, 2018 13:14:45 GMT
Every other fucker that gets relegated to the championship starts demanding massive fees for the players. What do we do?
You couldn’t make this shit up.......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 6, 2018 13:15:23 GMT
Obviously I don’t know, but always under the impression that shaq isn’t a team guy. Just my view.
Anyhow we’ll need a new talisman for next season, along with a few others😮
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 6, 2018 15:04:37 GMT
Can't see anyone offering more than 20m max for Allen.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 6, 2018 15:13:22 GMT
I like Shaq but on this season's form can you honestly see any team spending much over £15M on him anyway?
Butland was worth £50M before he broke his ankle for England; he may be worth half that now.
No one is going to give us much more than £15M for Joe Allen.
Our best players have just been part of the worst squad in the Prem. They are damaged goods and not worth as much as we would like to believe.
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Post by Absolution on May 6, 2018 16:20:36 GMT
The relegation release clause looks reasonable to me.
We could have renegotiated the clause at a later date, but that would probably have involved increasing Shaq’s wage to around £100k per week - and should we have a guess which posters would be screaming the loudest about the incompetence of the CEO for lumbering us with a player in the Championship on that kind of wage. I’d guess it would be the same posters who would have moaned their bag off if it had transpired that we’d missed out on buying Shaqiri in the first place because of our refusal to allow the relegation release clause.
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Post by Absolution on May 6, 2018 16:25:03 GMT
I like Shaq but on this season's form can you honestly see any team spending much over £15M on him anyway? Butland was worth £50M before he broke his ankle for England; he may be worth half that now. No one is going to give us much more than £15M for Joe Allen. Our best players have just been part of the worst squad in the Prem. They are damaged goods and not worth as much as we would like to believe. Players like Shaqiri grab the headlines. His goals alone make him a valuable commodity, and managers will think, probably rightly, that they can get more out of him than we ever have - see how Arnie’s upped his game since leaving here. We were talking after the match yesterday and I said we’d probably get £25m for him. That was obviously before I saw this story today.
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Post by serpico on May 6, 2018 16:30:07 GMT
He's probably not worth much more, good for a couple of spectacular goals a season but far too inconsistent.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 16:31:41 GMT
He's probably not worth much more, good for a couple of spectacular goals a season but far too inconsistent. He's the only reason we weren't confirmed relegated months ago. We don't deserve good players.
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Post by serpico on May 6, 2018 16:37:24 GMT
He's probably not worth much more, good for a couple of spectacular goals a season but far too inconsistent. He's the only reason we weren't confirmed relegated months ago. We don't deserve good players. a sad indictment of the rest of the players.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 16:42:11 GMT
He's probably not worth much more, good for a couple of spectacular goals a season but far too inconsistent. In today’s market, with his stats this season he’s worth £25m minimum.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 16:43:23 GMT
He's the only reason we weren't confirmed relegated months ago. We don't deserve good players. a sad indictment of the rest of the players. Partly. Also a fantastic indictment of how good a player Shaqiri is.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 6, 2018 16:53:12 GMT
He's probably not worth much more, good for a couple of spectacular goals a season but far too inconsistent. 8 goals and 6 assists (?) in a shit team, i'd say thats pretty good going
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Post by s7oke on May 7, 2018 7:55:33 GMT
It would be interesting to see what clauses berahino has in his contract !!!! Next season he’ll score 30 goals in the Championship 🤭 For Stoke I hope
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Post by oggyoggy on May 7, 2018 8:04:44 GMT
If this is true I think we won't get over £40m for Shaq, Butland and Allen. £12m for Allen, £15m for Butland. We will sell if those offers come in because the players will force it through and we have to reconfigure finances
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 8, 2018 17:10:07 GMT
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Post by lifelong on May 8, 2018 17:12:31 GMT
Dont know if its true but another master stroke from the recruitment team if it is
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Post by Absolution on May 8, 2018 17:13:11 GMT
Dont know if its true but another master stroke from the recruitment team if it is How else would we have got him here?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 8, 2018 17:14:20 GMT
I wonder how many others have something similar, it'll sure as hell fuck us up if we're thinking of spending the proceeds, £12m will probably just about buy Nick Powell from Wigan. Gouranga.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on May 8, 2018 17:27:49 GMT
Absolutely disgusting The guys worth easily twice that much in today's market. Maybe there should be some inflation increase board that look at pre contract prices nowadays?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 17:29:32 GMT
An incredibly unreliable source.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 8, 2018 17:31:17 GMT
As Peter has just told us, he likes to remain overly loyal to idiots and this is the type of thing you get when you make a virtue out of doing that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2018 17:32:55 GMT
Not sure Everton are in a position to sign anybody for a while are they?
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Post by Dave the Rave on May 8, 2018 17:34:46 GMT
Reunited with Arnie at West Ham seems more likely?
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