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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:38:21 GMT
We'll get there one day. One day people will see this entire shit show for what it really is. This summer will uncover a lot I reckon. I dare say there is more of this to come out. What's the betting Butland has some sort of release clause on top of the huge sell on Birmingham have? Nobody’s saying that Lambert going will solve all of the problems. But carrying on with him will ensure a sizeable one stays put won’t it? Who's asking him to stay?
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Post by potter25 on May 6, 2018 8:39:35 GMT
We were nowhere near a relegation threatened team when he signed as well
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2018 8:40:14 GMT
So basically we'll get what we paid according to this Swiss paper, who you'd think would be reliable and have the inside line. Maybe that's the only way he'd sign, to be Devil's Advocate? That's a big part of the rebuilding fund gone before it even appeared What do you think we'll get for Butland, Allen and Shaqiri (assuming there is no clause for Shaq)? Difficult one, isn't it? Can see them all being valued at around the £25m mark, but you never know in this transfer market. Can't see Butland getting his move to a Liverpool type superclub, so I can't see the mooted £30-35m+ fee (although I hope I'm wrong) Maybe somewhere like West Ham/Wolves for £25m tops. Allen the same. West Ham/Wolves/Swansea for that type of fee (although I do naively hold out a 5% hope he'll stay) If there isn't a clause with Shaq (but it does seem like there is), again £25m?
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Post by xchpotter on May 6, 2018 8:40:36 GMT
If true then not unexpected is it. We are a small time club.....always have been, always will be. Until we as supporters demand more nothing will change and yet the same old tripe of being grateful for what we have is trotted out.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:41:13 GMT
It really isn’t reasonable at all these days. Relegation release clauses are often for less than the amount you signed a player for. Things have changed, this is an absolutely shocking amount for him.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on May 6, 2018 8:41:22 GMT
Not one person has said that. We'll get there one day. One day people will see this entire shit show for what it really is. This summer will uncover a lot I reckon. I dare say there is more of this to come out. What's the betting Butland has some sort of release clause on top of the huge sell on Birmingham have? Birmingham get 25% of butlands fee.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 6, 2018 8:42:42 GMT
So basically we'll get what we paid according to this Swiss paper, who you'd think would be reliable and have the inside line. Maybe that's the only way he'd sign, to be Devil's Advocate? That's a big part of the rebuilding fund gone before it even appeared What do you think we'll get for Butland, Allen and Shaqiri (assuming there is no clause for Shaq)? Butland 30m Allen 25m Shaqiri 25m EDIT: Oh just seen that Grapey has said the same thing.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 6, 2018 8:43:32 GMT
So basically we'll get what we paid according to this Swiss paper, who you'd think would be reliable and have the inside line. Maybe that's the only way he'd sign, to be Devil's Advocate? That's a big part of the rebuilding fund gone before it even appeared He was a big player at the time we signed him. It would be the only way he would sign.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2018 8:45:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 8:48:29 GMT
So we might be looking at
Shaq £12m Butland £23m (net) Allen ??
If Tony can get £50m for Allen, we're back on track. Sorted.
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Post by mrred on May 6, 2018 8:50:55 GMT
As yes, well known German website, eh SLP?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on May 6, 2018 8:51:34 GMT
Cheers I thought 25 but 20 is bad enough.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 6, 2018 8:53:18 GMT
What do you think we'll get for Butland, Allen and Shaqiri (assuming there is no clause for Shaq)? Difficult one, isn't it? Can see them all being valued at around the £25m mark, but you never know in this transfer market. Can't see Butland getting his move to a Liverpool type superclub, so I can't see the mooted £30-35m+ fee (although I hope I'm wrong) Maybe somewhere like West Ham/Wolves for £25m tops. Allen the same. West Ham/Wolves/Swansea for that type of fee (although I do naively hold out a 5% hope he'll stay) If there isn't a clause with Shaq (but it does seem like there is), again £25m? So we'd be looking at potentially 70 million for just those 3 players (maybe 60 if he does have a clause), that's enough to sign 3 or 4 very good players at Championship level. That's assuming it all gets reinvested in players, which you'd hope would be the case. The parachute payments should cover the reduced wagebill for the first couple of years so I'd like to think Coates would reinvest it. But who knows?
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Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2018 9:06:27 GMT
It really isn’t reasonable at all these days. Relegation release clauses are often for less than the amount you signed a player for. It appears so at Stoke, nothing wrong with our process though
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 6, 2018 9:10:44 GMT
If it was the only way to get him to sign so be it.
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Post by s7oke on May 6, 2018 9:20:34 GMT
He’s signed a couple of contracts since the so surely it shouldn’t stand should it It was five years ago Oh wait yes it probably does because scholes is a knob and Cartwright a fat knob Oh just fuck the pair of them off please stoke please rebuild without these clowns
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Post by s7oke on May 6, 2018 9:23:40 GMT
It would be interesting to see what clauses berahino has in his contract !!!!
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Post by stokiesteve on May 6, 2018 9:26:00 GMT
If that’s true then Scholes wants publicly tarring and feathering. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by bangorstokie on May 6, 2018 9:27:36 GMT
What an absolute fucking shambles of a club we are. FUCK OFF SCHOLES YOU INCOMPETENT FUCK-WIT!!!!!!!
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on May 6, 2018 9:29:21 GMT
He’s signed a couple of contracts since the so surely it shouldn’t stand should it It was five years ago Oh wait yes it probably does because scholes is a knob and Cartwright a fat knob Oh just fuck the pair of them off please stoke please rebuild without these clowns Of course it still counts. It's a purchase/sale contract between SCFC and BCFC. That has absolutely nothing to do with Butland's contract of employment with Stoke regardless of how many times it has been renewed or renegotiated.
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Post by nonameface on May 6, 2018 9:31:01 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how many and what clubs are actually prepared to pay the fee....West Ham?
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Post by stokiesteve on May 6, 2018 9:31:35 GMT
It would be interesting to see what clauses berahino has in his contract !!!! Next season he’ll score 30 goals in the Championship 🤭
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on May 6, 2018 9:34:49 GMT
I’d never expect anything else 🙄 So frustrating knowing things are very wrong at the club but not being able to do anything about it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 6, 2018 9:44:03 GMT
If it was the only way to get him to sign so be it. Some people don't understand things like this. Maybe it was a case of "if you don't give me this release clause then I won't sign" ? we'll never know. In any case though, we could've renegotiated this in the time he's been here, that's a mistake.
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Post by lstokie on May 6, 2018 10:01:42 GMT
Why are people so surprised by this? Remember how many people, including ourselves were thinking how the fuck did we manage to sign this guy. He wouldn't have gone anywhere if there was ever a sniff of him having to play in the second-tier of any football league.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 6, 2018 10:35:55 GMT
Unless I'm missing something that's just the value that triggers the release clause, doesn't mean that's what he'll go for (unless he insists), if he's that good there'll be a bidding war and the 14.5m figure becomes irrelevant?
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Post by basingstokie on May 6, 2018 10:46:57 GMT
Unless I'm missing something that's just the value that triggers the release clause, doesn't mean that's what he'll go for (unless he insists), if he's that good there'll be a bidding war and the 14.5m figure becomes irrelevant? But if there is a 14.5m release clause his agent will make sure everyone knows it, so interested clubs can basically get a bargain (all bid 14.5m) and XS gets a big signing bonus. If the clause exists and he doesn't do that then his agent is as stupid as Cartwright. And since MW is the dumbest fuck in the world this is unlikely. Assuming no clause we should be looking for Arnie type money.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 10:50:34 GMT
Maybe he wouldn't have signed if the relegation clause was unreasonably high.
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Post by mattythestokie on May 6, 2018 10:53:05 GMT
Cheers I thought 25 but 20 is bad enough. Is it? A hugely promising English keeper who had interest from Chelsea when we signed him if I remember rightly. A 20% sell on is standard for that deal.
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Post by Absolution on May 6, 2018 10:53:59 GMT
Unless I'm missing something that's just the value that triggers the release clause, doesn't mean that's what he'll go for (unless he insists), if he's that good there'll be a bidding war and the 14.5m figure becomes irrelevant? No, he'd go for €14.5m. The bidding war would be over who paid Shaq the highest wage.
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