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Post by boskampsflaps on May 7, 2018 0:43:53 GMT
He goes past four and then looks for a fifth to go past rather than putting a ball in, I'm sick of shouting it when he's on the ball, even if he just swung a leg at it he'd do better just from the law of averages.
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Post by NassauDave on May 7, 2018 0:44:16 GMT
I honestly thought that he was a ready made replacement for that cunt Arnautovic. A younger potentially better model if you like.
What a fucking waste of time he has been. A winger with no pace, no step over moves, and no ability to beat a man.
Yet another failure at our club.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 7, 2018 4:18:20 GMT
The same Ramadan that Liverpool are going to sign apparently?!.... yeah, I'll twat my cock with a hammer if that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if he'll be a success there, like Nzonzi in Sevilla or Arnautovic for West Ham. At Stoke everyone gets worse. One thing you're not considering there, Arnautovic and N'Zonzi are actually good players...
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Post by xchpotter on May 7, 2018 5:46:06 GMT
Too much of a headless chicken. Has a bit of skill but he has not progressed as hoped. I’m not sure he is that focused....only he knows what he wants but he probably believes the hype that he is too good for the Championship, so I expect his exit.
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Post by nott1 on May 7, 2018 5:55:06 GMT
We have a lot worse in this squad, but I doubt he's any way motivated playing with this bunch of wankers and the way he's been treated since getting here. He was better than Salah in Egypt.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 7:46:24 GMT
he’s wank and always has been wank. I used to enjoy seeing people wank off over him when he scored a 2 yard tap in. He needs selling to Newcastle town immediately I have argued his case with you, and fear you may have been right all along , Clyde. Bastard! 😁 Believe me mate I’d love be sitting here now holding my hands up saying thank god im wrong. But again Saturday that cameo was just awful. We need a huge rebuild job asap
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Post by mattythestokie on May 7, 2018 9:20:20 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if he'll be a success there, like Nzonzi in Sevilla or Arnautovic for West Ham. At Stoke everyone gets worse. One thing you're not considering there, Arnautovic and N'Zonzi are actually good players... And the fact that Nzonzi and Arnautovic quite clearly didn’t get worse at Stoke...
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Post by nonameface on May 7, 2018 9:27:21 GMT
Once we can get a little more output from him taking someone on he'll be a good player. Put him on permanent crossing training only. Once he's mastered that then move to shooting practice.
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Post by Absolution on May 7, 2018 9:29:05 GMT
One thing you're not considering there, Arnautovic and N'Zonzi are actually good players... And the fact that Nzonzi and Arnautovic quite clearly didn’t get worse at Stoke... But they quite clearly got better once they'd left. Ramadan I think is probably one player we should maybe wipe the slate clean with and give him a second chance. He's obviously got talent, just lacks coaching and direction. Maybe, just maybe it's not too late to resurrect that potential. He's still only young, there's obviously been bad stuff going on all around him. He's probably gone off the boil and there's been no one at the club to pick him up and put him back on the right track. Everyone's looking for scapegoats all around us. Let's not hit out too strongly at someone whose played little part in this clusterfuck of a season. A new manager might work wonders for him. And us.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 7, 2018 9:30:10 GMT
He is very young and hugely promising.
I hope he stays.
I'll judge him when he has had some proper coaching at stoke.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on May 7, 2018 9:50:41 GMT
He is very young and hugely promising. I hope he stays.I'll judge him when he has had some proper coaching at stoke. I'd like to see him stay, too.............I think the Championship might bring the best out of him (that, and some better coaching and management)
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Post by moz on May 7, 2018 13:47:00 GMT
He is very young and hugely promising. I hope he stays.I'll judge him when he has had some proper coaching at stoke. I'd like to see him stay, too.............I think the Championship might bring the best out of him (that, and some better coaching and management) I hope so. But with Lambert staying and his agent looking for another payday. He'll leave and he should think his next move wisely since another year on bench (he already wasted 2 here) will be the end for him.
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Post by jebbstuart on May 7, 2018 13:57:13 GMT
Another one too slow one footed too indecisive and either checks inside or loses it. Sell may get something for him
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Post by Absolution on May 7, 2018 14:05:23 GMT
Even on Saturday though, you could see how his footwork totally flummoxed the Palace defence. The talent’s there. It’s mainly decision making where he falls down. And let’s not forget that much as he gave the ball way leading to their goal, they sliced through the rest of our team like they weren’t there.
So straightaway, Ramadan’s been on the pitch a few seconds and already he’s left with the weight of the world on his shoulders because of one stray pass the length of the pitch away from our goal. There are players, morons like Berahino and Jesé who deserve every brickbat they get. Let’s cut this guy just a bit of slack.
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Post by lagwafis on May 7, 2018 14:13:21 GMT
He could do worse than drop down to the Championship, get his confidence up in a lower league and then bounce back from there. Adel Taarabt did similar after joining Spurs at a young age before dropping down a level with QPR (although his career went off the deep end in later years).
If he moves to somewhere like Liverpool it's hard to see him being anything more than another Ossama Assaidi on current evidence. He's 22 in eight months and his days of being a promising teenager are fading fast.
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Post by Absolution on May 7, 2018 14:16:19 GMT
He could do worse than drop down to the Championship, get his confidence up in a lower league and then bounce back from there. Adel Taarabt did similar after joining Spurs at a young age before dropping down a level with QPR (although his career went off the deep end in later years). If he moves to somewhere like Liverpool it's hard to see him being anything more than another Ossama Assaidi on current evidence. He's 22 in eight months and his days of being a promising teenager are fading fast. So he’s 21 then.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 7, 2018 14:25:11 GMT
Even on Saturday though, you could see how his footwork totally flummoxed the Palace defence. The talent’s there. It’s mainly decision making where he falls down. And let’s not forget that much as he gave the ball way leading to their goal, they sliced through the rest of our team like they weren’t there. So straightaway, Ramadan’s been on the pitch a few seconds and already he’s left with the weight of the world on his shoulders because of one stray pass the length of the pitch away from our goal. There are players, morons like Berahino and Jesé who deserve every brickbat they get. Let’s cut this guy just a bit of slack. His fundamental problem is that he can't kick a football properly. At 21 years of age, I'm not sure that can be changed.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 14:29:07 GMT
Another cheap buy from our transfer team!
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Post by oslostokie1 on May 7, 2018 14:33:59 GMT
He's like a latter day Peter Beagrie without the crossing or shooting ability
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Post by Absolution on May 7, 2018 14:36:15 GMT
Even on Saturday though, you could see how his footwork totally flummoxed the Palace defence. The talent’s there. It’s mainly decision making where he falls down. And let’s not forget that much as he gave the ball way leading to their goal, they sliced through the rest of our team like they weren’t there. So straightaway, Ramadan’s been on the pitch a few seconds and already he’s left with the weight of the world on his shoulders because of one stray pass the length of the pitch away from our goal. There are players, morons like Berahino and Jesé who deserve every brickbat they get. Let’s cut this guy just a bit of slack. His fundamental problem is that he can't kick a football properly. At 21 years of age, I'm not sure that can be changed. Hasn't he been voted young African player of the year or at least been in the top three in the past few years? That's not bad going if he's got the impediment you say. Frankly he was turning my eyesight inside out with his dribbling on Saturday.
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 7, 2018 15:52:44 GMT
There's a very good player in there somewhere, just needs a very good coach to teach him how to cross and when to let the ball go. He’s a professional footballer who claims to be a winger and represents his country at international level. If he needs to be taught how to cross a ball, something is seriously fucking wrong with the game as a whole.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on May 7, 2018 16:05:16 GMT
His fundamental problem is that he can't kick a football properly. At 21 years of age, I'm not sure that can be changed. Hasn't he been voted young African player of the year or at least been in the top three in the past few years? That's not bad going if he's got the impediment you say. Frankly he was turning my eyesight inside out with his dribbling on Saturday. I think he turns his own inside out as well.
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Post by MooG on May 7, 2018 23:05:57 GMT
I'd say his biggest weakness is a lack of incisive pace that allows defenders to get back at him. There are a lot more aging defenders in the Championship so that would be less of a handicap there. It's probably moot though as he'll believe the voices telling him he's too good for second tier football and be off to pastures new.
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Post by musik on May 8, 2018 0:01:28 GMT
One thing you're not considering there, Arnautovic and N'Zonzi are actually good players... And the fact that Nzonzi and Arnautovic quite clearly didn’t get worse at Stoke... Wrong. I didn't say they sucked here. Like everyone else, they had some bad days and some good days. But if you take a look at the stats, for instance goals scored - which is always a good indicator, they were not only a lot better when they left Stoke, they'd also been slightly better before the Stoke era of their lives. GOAL RATE Nzonzi: ---------- Blackburn 5.81% Stoke 5.50% Sevilla 6.76% Arnautovic: ----------------- W Bremen 19.4% Stoke 17.6% West Ham 33.3% But there are MUCH worse examples to find. These two have been pretty stable throughout their time, even though both of them got tired and lost it, their lust nearer the end here.
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Post by musik on May 8, 2018 0:05:40 GMT
There's a very good player in there somewhere, just needs a very good coach to teach him how to cross and when to let the ball go. He’s a professional footballer who claims to be a winger and represents his country at international level. If he needs to be taught how to cross a ball, something is seriously fucking wrong with the game as a whole. Perhaps not with the game in itself 😉, but with the so called game plan at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 0:08:52 GMT
Swap him for Appiah from Forest
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 8, 2018 0:40:57 GMT
He’s a professional footballer who claims to be a winger and represents his country at international level. If he needs to be taught how to cross a ball, something is seriously fucking wrong with the game as a whole. Perhaps not with the game in itself 😉, but with the so called game plan at Stoke. I don't care what the game plan is. It should be a prerequisite that any professional footballer who is earning money by playing as a winger is required to posses a pretty fucking good idea of how to cross a ball.
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Post by NassauDave on May 8, 2018 2:10:06 GMT
Once we can get a little more output from him taking someone on he'll be a good player. Put him on permanent crossing training only. Once he's mastered that then move to shooting practice. He needs to get near the box before he crosses, and he doesn’t get near the box so the issues lie deeper. Literally.... Giving him the benefit of the doubt, the Championship May be good for him, ( and ultimately us), but I doubt he will stay. His agent sounds like that fucking Bell end who represents Arcuntovic.
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Post by stokecitydom on May 8, 2018 8:32:08 GMT
The best thing for him would be to stay with us in the championship.
He’s not good enough for top level football.
A year or two playing regular competitive football, the right coaching & confidence may see him turn into a decent footballer. But currently he’s miles off.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 8, 2018 8:41:55 GMT
Frustrating. Probably the right player at the wrong time. Would like to see him in The Championship where he might get a bit more opportunity and a bit more might come off for him. I can't work out whether he's just trying too hard or whether he's trying to be too clever.
I don't dislike him as he's just a young kid who still has a chance to be a very good player. He just seems to do the wrong thing every single time at the minute.
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