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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 29, 2018 18:39:53 GMT
You can't poo poo them but you can put context to them which you are going out of your way to ignore. I am not at any point devaluing the role Fuller played in Stoke's rise to the summit of British League football. I even have stated that I would select him ahead of Diouf and Berahino. I loved watching the guy. The history of the Premier League will in the end not waste many paragraphs on the quality of Stoke's strikers in the last ten years and in the end goal scorers are judged on the goals a player scores and Fuller, Diouf and Berahino will not really feature as greats! Context has nothing to do with it! Context has everything to do with almost any kind of proper analysis doesn't it? In Fuller's case, he was in a team that wasn't set up to score goals. The priority was defence. In that context, nobody was going to score that many goals. He was key to the way the whole attacking side of that team played because for a long time the entire plan was 'give it to Ric and hope he conjures something from thin air for himself or someone else'. Nobody's claiming he was an all time Premier League goal scorer because that patently isn't the case. He was a quality Premier League cnetre forward for us though and goals alone don't tell the full story - and in 2018, really don't for any centre forward, because they're expected to contribute more. The days of the poacher who was only there to score goals are over. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 29, 2018 18:52:55 GMT
Diouf is a decent premier league goalscorer? Yes and always has been. Hells bells. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 29, 2018 18:57:31 GMT
For what it's worth I think Diouf would be more than good enough on the right in a 433 or 4231 in the championship. I just don't ever want to see him played up top ever again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 29, 2018 21:29:35 GMT
He is though Hackett. The season where he played as a forward so striker or winger all the way through he scored 1 in 3. The bloke gets in good areas and will score goals. If he was used up front all season this season he'd be on about 10 even with his misses. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 22:06:15 GMT
Hughes tried to replace him with Josalu and the Berahino two flops
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 29, 2018 22:11:02 GMT
It speaks volumes that I would absolutely spunk myself silly to have a strike force of the circa 2011ish incarnations of Jones and Jerome at this moment in time.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 29, 2018 22:32:04 GMT
For example. Liverpool. Fowler, then Owen, then Torres, then Suarez, now Salah. All legends, all replaced if you have got money its a bit easier to replace legends Having said that......funny how you left out Balotelli, Sean Dundee (to replace Fowler) Carroll, Hadji Diouf, Borini, Benteke, Robbie Keane.........mmmmmmm! all abject failures at Anfield |
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 30, 2018 3:45:42 GMT
Who's scored more top flight goals total and at ppg rate? I'd hazard a guess Diouf would win both. And I'm not saying he's better than Fuller because he's not obviously but he is a decent goalscorer in the top flight. Diouf is a decent premier league goalscorer? Incredible !!!! Has anyone watched the last few matches ??!!! To say he was dogshit is an understatement |
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 30, 2018 3:48:55 GMT
Diouf's top flight record elsewhere; 1 in 5 for Man Yoo 3 in 26 for Blackburn 26 in 57 for Hannover So 1 in 2.9 Fuller's 1 in 31 for Portsmouth How convenient, throwing in the Hannover statistic So his record elsewhere in the english top flight is 4 in 31 Certainly nothing to write home about |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2018 7:03:03 GMT
Diouf's top flight record elsewhere; 1 in 5 for Man Yoo 3 in 26 for Blackburn 26 in 57 for Hannover So 1 in 2.9 Fuller's 1 in 31 for Portsmouth How convenient, throwing in the Hannover statistic So his record elsewhere in the english top flight is 4 in 31 Certainly nothing to write home about Yeah how convenient that it's his record in the top flight. And Fuller's is 1 in 31 😂 |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 30, 2018 11:47:43 GMT
For example. Liverpool. Fowler, then Owen, then Torres, then Suarez, now Salah. All legends, all replaced if you have got money its a bit easier to replace legends Having said that......funny how you left out Balotelli, Sean Dundee (to replace Fowler) Carroll, Hadji Diouf, Borini, Benteke, Robbie Keane.........mmmmmmm! all abject failures at Anfield I left them out because the point was made! They replaced a legend with a legend. Its not as if they bought all theose people and they all flopped. |
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Post by bossthemidfield on Apr 30, 2018 13:06:33 GMT
Diouf couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo.
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Post by robrigo on Apr 30, 2018 13:20:52 GMT
I dont think Diouf in isolation is a problem.
Its the striker pool the club has allowed the squad to consist of.
Diouf is ok but thats it. And we are relying on him to score enough goals to keep us up. He isnt good enough to do that on his own. If he was part of a wider striker pool to pick from then we wouldnt have been in this mess.
The problem is the wasters that we have employed to support him in scoring goals- Berahino and Jese.
And the ageing Peter Crouch who has been great for us but now time has caught up with him.
We’ve lost Arnie and Walters goals ( both for different reasons) and not replaced them.
Some years ago we signed James Beattie and Peter Odemwingie and they contributed to scoring goals. This year the club sat on their arses and watched our premier status slip away.
Dioufy gives his all but the network around him and the other striker choices or lack off them has bit us on the arse.
Like my arse Stoke.
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Post by robrigo on Apr 30, 2018 13:22:45 GMT
In shorter terms our squad is a bit shit- none more so than the strikers we have.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 30, 2018 13:24:19 GMT
Fuller was very good,but nowhere near world class,he wasn't all that prolific either,would rather have had Stein in his pomp than Fuller.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 30, 2018 13:52:06 GMT
Fuller was very good,but nowhere near world class,he wasn't all that prolific either,would rather have had Stein in his pomp than Fuller. Don't think Stein would have scored any more than Fuller in that side really. |
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 30, 2018 15:17:57 GMT
Dieuf is absolute fucking shite
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 30, 2018 15:21:17 GMT
Dieuf is absolute fucking shite That's three posts where you've misspelt Diouf! What's wrong with you lad? |
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 30, 2018 15:30:55 GMT
I dont think Diouf in isolation is a problem. Its the striker pool the club has allowed the squad to consist of. Diouf is ok but thats it. And we are relying on him to score enough goals to keep us up. He isnt good enough to do that on his own. If he was part of a wider striker pool to pick from then we wouldnt have been in this mess. The problem is the wasters that we have employed to support him in scoring goals- Berahino and Jese. And the ageing Peter Crouch who has been great for us but now time has caught up with him. We’ve lost Arnie and Walters goals ( both for different reasons) and not replaced them. Some years ago we signed James Beattie and Peter Odemwingie and they contributed to scoring goals. This year the club sat on their arses and watched our premier status slip away. Dioufy gives his all but the network around him and the other striker choices or lack off them has bit us on the arse. Like my arse Stoke. You make an excellent point, Beattie and Odemwingie both came in the january window and had a major impact on our season and for little outlay. You really would have thought the club would have used that example and emulated that with someone similar this January but as you say they did fuck all, that inability to add to our strike force is a significant reason why we are likely to drop. Mind you Coatesy did suggest we made one phone call to Liverpool to enquire about Danny Ings...they did their best  |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 30, 2018 16:26:51 GMT
if you have got money its a bit easier to replace legends Having said that......funny how you left out Balotelli, Sean Dundee (to replace Fowler) Carroll, Hadji Diouf, Borini, Benteke, Robbie Keane.........mmmmmmm! all abject failures at Anfield I left them out because the point was made! They replaced a legend with a legend. Its not as if they bought all theose people and they all flopped. You cannot compare the two clubs though. Liverpool can seemingly afford to spend millions on flops before they hit the target. How many flops can we afford? If you spend money like they have then you are many times more likely to acquire the odd legend. |
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 30, 2018 16:35:15 GMT
Ironically, a combination of Fuller and Diouf as a front two would have been interesting to see.
I think they would have complimented each other quite well.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 30, 2018 16:48:37 GMT
I left them out because the point was made! They replaced a legend with a legend. Its not as if they bought all theose people and they all flopped. You cannot compare the two clubs though. Liverpool can seemingly afford to spend millions on flops before they hit the target. How many flops can we afford? If you spend money like they have then you are many times more likely to acquire the odd legend. You can compare though, there financial outlay is higher, so in theory more risk for them. But it’s relative to what money you have. |
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 30, 2018 17:39:41 GMT
Fuller Prem Record - 141 Appearances 19 Goals Shooting Accuracy 35% Assists 7 Tackles 67 28 Yellows 2 Red Diouf Prem Record - 152 Appearances 27 Goals Shooting Accuracy 38% Assists 9 Tackles 174 22 Yellows 0 Reds H I know that stats can be misleading but the above numbers explain why both Ric and Mame played for SCFC and not a top 6 side |
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 30, 2018 17:41:31 GMT
He is though Hackett. The season where he played as a forward so striker or winger all the way through he scored 1 in 3. The bloke gets in good areas and will score goals. If he was used up front all season this season he'd be on about 10 even with his misses. he would have had 3 in 3 now if his feet where on the right way round ,he is a donkey . |
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