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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 26, 2018 9:57:54 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 10:00:20 GMT
Seems a bit unfair to compare a bloke's win ratio with Colchester United to a bloke's record in the Premier League...
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 26, 2018 10:02:47 GMT
Seems a bit unfair to compare a bloke's win ratio with Colchester United to a bloke's record in the Premier League... All relative is it not? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 10:09:23 GMT
Seems a bit unfair to compare a bloke's win ratio with Colchester United to a bloke's record in the Premier League... All relative is it not? Not entirely no. At best you’re comparing apples with oranges. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2018 10:12:02 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful.
That's all that matters.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 26, 2018 10:14:54 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? |
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 26, 2018 10:16:15 GMT
Seems a bit unfair to compare a bloke's win ratio with Colchester United to a bloke's record in the Premier League... OK what about Norwich then? |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 26, 2018 10:17:47 GMT
When you've won 1 in 12 they certainly do
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 10:31:11 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? It’s a tough call based on his history. He was great at Norwich but that’s 6-7 years ago now. You could say he had mitigating circumstances at Villa, Blackburn and even Wolves relating to the owners but a lot of the complaints their fans had about him chimes with a lot of what we’ve seen him do here. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2018 12:51:25 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? It does based on the last job he had. And now the current one he's doing. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 26, 2018 13:04:18 GMT
Aside from other arguments in the thread I always thought points per game is a better basic metric than win %
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Post by nigerianstokie on Apr 26, 2018 17:45:48 GMT
Aside from other arguments in the thread I always thought points per game is a better basic metric than win % It is. Not that it matters at this point. His PPG is still nothing short of embarrassing. |
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Post by nonameface on Apr 26, 2018 18:34:03 GMT
Comparing like for like for Stoke City this year, I.e. with the same resources. 1 win in 12 from Lambert 5 wins in 23 from Hughes So Hughes is more than twice as good as Lambert, which is how it feels. Lambert is the worst manager we've had in 20 years. |
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2018 19:08:06 GMT
Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? It’s a tough call based on his history. He was great at Norwich but that’s 6-7 years ago now. You could say he had mitigating circumstances at Villa, Blackburn and even Wolves relating to the owners but a lot of the complaints their fans had about him chimes with a lot of what we’ve seen him do here. Hughes was very good at Blackburn and has done very little since because the game has moved on and he hasn’t moved with it. He is not alone. Wenger was forced out because he is getting out of touch with the modern game and today’s players. |
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 26, 2018 19:11:30 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. THIS!! |
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Post by stokemark on Apr 26, 2018 19:44:46 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? You were saying Hughes was brilliant just before he was sacked |
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 27, 2018 0:48:19 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2018 1:05:24 GMT
Comparing like for like for Stoke City this year, I.e. with the same resources. 1 win in 12 from Lambert 5 wins in 23 from Hughes So Hughes is more than twice as good as Lambert, which is how it feels. Lambert is the worst manager we've had in 20 years. I'm not sure they've had the same resources, Lambert hasn't signed anyone by the looks of it. |
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Post by nonameface on Apr 27, 2018 7:30:30 GMT
Comparing like for like for Stoke City this year, I.e. with the same resources. 1 win in 12 from Lambert 5 wins in 23 from Hughes So Hughes is more than twice as good as Lambert, which is how it feels. Lambert is the worst manager we've had in 20 years. I'm not sure they've had the same resources, Lambert hasn't signed anyone by the looks of it. That's the point, they are playing with the same resource, the players. If anything Lambert has had access to more in Bauer, Staffy and Ndiaye, so in theory a little more. Yet as stats show has got the resource, the players, picking up fewer wins. |
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 27, 2018 9:10:59 GMT
Yes, maybe and no.
Starting with no:
Surely the most important ratio is points per game. Achieving a ratio of 1.1/1 would almost certainly see a team avoid relegation. The higher this ratio is, the higher up the table you're likely to finish. It's as simple as that.
Yes:
The higher the win ratio is, the smaller the impact of a defeat. Effectively the more you win, the more you can afford to lose.
Maybe:
There's a psychological aspect to it. Wins are a catalyst to improve harmony, team spirit and confidence in a dressing room. It's self-perpetuating. The more you win, the more likely you are to continue that form. Also from the perspective of the fans - I dare say that fans would feel better about a season where the team finished with 16 wins and 22 defeats rather than 6 wins 30 draws and 2 defeats because every fan likes to see their team win.
Just my take on it.
Regardless of this, we'll lose tomorrow and Boring Paul will have achieved the following: W1 D6 L6:
Win ratio per game of 0.077/1
Points ratio per game of 0.692/1
Extrapolate that over a full season and we'd have 3 wins and 26 points. Absolutely horrific!
Damning statistics whichever way you like to look at things.
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 27, 2018 10:01:17 GMT
His win ratio in the Premier League with Stoke City is awful. That's all that matters. Maybe so, but its early doors and to call him a toss manager prior to his appointment doesn't stand up. He must have some modicum of ability? Can we call him a toss manager now he's been here a while? |
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