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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2018 13:59:30 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed.
So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside...
Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on?
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Post by skip on Apr 23, 2018 14:02:43 GMT
From Plan A (which was a wish list) to Plan C in one fell swoop.
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Post by Davef on Apr 23, 2018 14:05:23 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed. So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside... Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on? It was just another over-used football cliche, like "challenge", "dream move" and "f**k me Diouf!". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:05:42 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed. So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside... Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on? The thing, if there was such a thing then money talks and QSF is available so why not make it happen in the summer? Granted the "project" might be a 5 year one instead of a 3 but if the club believed in it then give it a go..... |
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Post by rawli on Apr 23, 2018 14:08:24 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed. So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside... Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on? The thing, if there was such a thing then money talks and QSF is available so why not make it happen in the summer? Granted the "project" might be a 5 year one instead of a 3 but if the club believed in it then give it a go..... We're 10s of millions poorer than we were |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2018 14:09:04 GMT
It was just another over-used football cliche, like "challenge", "dream move" and "f**k me Diouf!". But we did actually offer him a five-year-deal on decent money though.. surely some thinking behind it |
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 23, 2018 14:10:51 GMT
It was a load of bollocks, the type of bollocks we were obviously telling the likes of Arnie and Shaqiri when they signed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:15:15 GMT
The thing, if there was such a thing then money talks and QSF is available so why not make it happen in the summer? Granted the "project" might be a 5 year one instead of a 3 but if the club believed in it then give it a go..... We're 10s of millions poorer than we were All the more reason to go back up first time. And until it comes out in the wash about whether players have salary drops written into their contracts etc be hard to gauge the financial impact. I agree though the dyanmics have changed massively but if he was our first choice and he's available then it must be worth trying surely? |
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 23, 2018 14:33:20 GMT
On the money subject, according to Matterface on TS this morning, Southampton have no relegation clauses whatsoever in place.
Now that will be expensive! Let’s hope Teflon did at least this.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 23, 2018 15:20:44 GMT
They were unwilling to pay for QSF & his staff to come in, despite them requesting typical Premier League salaries.
Lambert is the sort of appointment a club with this level of ambition would make.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 23, 2018 15:26:56 GMT
All these #ambition messages are aimed at us mugs. No one else. The supporters are just being strung along. The only project here is to the benefit of the board.
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Post by realstokebloke on Apr 23, 2018 15:27:15 GMT
On the money subject, according to Matterface on TS this morning, Southampton have no relegation clauses whatsoever in place. Now that will be expensive! Let’s hope Teflon did at least this.  |
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Post by realstokebloke on Apr 23, 2018 15:29:21 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed. So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside... Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on?
Please precis and add.
Maybe along the lines:
"What the actual f happened to the plan Pete? " |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 23, 2018 15:37:03 GMT
There never was a project in my view the club have demonstrated time & time again over the last 2 years how behind the times we are & how poorly we are run right from the top.
I would say judging by the statement if true that Lambert will be staying on it could take years before we start to see any chance of returning to the top table of football without major changes.
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 23, 2018 15:42:12 GMT
I actually think there was a project, and the project was to copy southampton
Apparently, we have done this so well, we are about to be relegated, with, er... Southampton
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 23, 2018 15:51:43 GMT
If this was a school project, the last two years would get a grade F!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 23, 2018 16:00:48 GMT
Top overseas coach on top money Bollox.
The board got what they really wanted,a cheap yes man,knowing he would bump off his own mother to be given the Stoke job,and won't be asking for too much money to spend.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 23, 2018 16:36:10 GMT
Top overseas coach on top money Bollox. The board got what they really wanted,a cheap yes man,knowing he would bump off his own mother to be given the Stoke job,and won't be asking for too much money to spend. So going to Barcelona and offering him a 5+ year contract on a lot of money was just part of a ploy to get “what they really wanted” - Paul Lambert? How does this make sense? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 23, 2018 16:46:30 GMT
Didn't we once put in a bid of £700,000 for Clive Mendonca (may have been someone else) and the joke in the Oatcake Fanzine was the board nearly shit themselves when they thought it would be accepted. Was that Coates MarkI? Maybe this is a similar scenario? Davef |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 17:22:59 GMT
Guillem Balague interview from 11th January. Heartbreaking www.offtheball.com/listen_back/10/41847/11th_January_2018_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_3/"He was impressed by what they had to say. It's a 5-year deal - and there's a lot of money available now. That probably explains why Mark Hughes wasn't getting many answers about reinforcements in the last few months" "Clearly they wanted somebody else in charge" "Stoke have come in with a project that's very exciting and it will be very difficult to say no - and Stoke are very hopeful he will say 'yes' "Quique was pretty impressed with what he was hearing. It's quite clear that if you look at what Stoke have done in the market in recent times under Hughes - I think there've been maybe 66 new players- but a lot of it had to be done....cleverly, using the little money that was available, and of course there was the wages that they couldn't compete with" "But it seems they were waiting for this kind of thing, for a new impulse - for somebody with new ideas - and this new project is perhaps one of the most ambitious projects that's ever been put in Quique's hands" "Quite clearly if you're trying to convince someone like Flores, you'd better be good and put something good on the table. And the offer from Stoke is five years, and of course there's a financial link to it too. And all of this makes it so attractive" "Even if it's not in the Premier League and he doesn't manage to turn things around for Stoke, the money that's available should mean that Stoke, under the stewardship of someone like him, should go back to being, either next season or soon, a regular Premier League team" |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 17:33:05 GMT
Balague knows QSF very well - so got to assume the thrust of that came direct from QSF?
Which makes the swerve to a dour Plan-Zer like Lambo absolutely bizarre.
God knows what happens next.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 23, 2018 17:43:09 GMT
Balague knows QSF very well - so got to assume the thrust of that came direct from QSF? Which makes the swerve to a dour Plan-Zer like Lambo absolutely bizarre. God knows what happens next. It seems Jonny boy went for QSF, but Teflon Tony panicked and, more concerned about looking after the old man's fortune, added the relegation clause that so put off Quique. Old Man Coates had the final say and reverted to type - dour British manager known for talk of discipline and hard work. That kind of scenario makes sense to me. Where we head from here is anyone's guess - Lambert, however you dress it up, has failed (barring a miracle of unparalleled proportions) and, if he has a break clause, should be unceremoniously cast aside. If Moyes is not kept on at West Ham, I can see Coatesy going for him, as he fits his idea of a manager to a tee. However, will Peter still be at the helm to take that decision or will his son now have a chance to resurrect talk of a "project" and, with QSF now out of job, return to try to get his man? This summer is going to be interesting....... |
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Post by stokierich on Apr 23, 2018 17:44:49 GMT
Guillem Balague interview from 11th January. Heartbreaking www.offtheball.com/listen_back/10/41847/11th_January_2018_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_3/"He was impressed by what they had to say. It's a 5-year deal - and there's a lot of money available now. That probably explains why Mark Hughes wasn't getting many answers about reinforcements in the last few months" "Clearly they wanted somebody else in charge" "Stoke have come in with a project that's very exciting and it will be very difficult to say no - and Stoke are very hopeful he will say 'yes' "Quique was pretty impressed with what he was hearing. It's quite clear that if you look at what Stoke have done in the market in recent times under Hughes - I think there've been maybe 66 new players- but a lot of it had to be done....cleverly, using the little money that was available, and of course there was the wages that they couldn't compete with" "But it seems they were waiting for this kind of thing, for a new impulse - for somebody with new ideas - and this new project is perhaps one of the most ambitious projects that's ever been put in Quique's hands" "Quite clearly if you're trying to convince someone like Flores, you'd better be good and put something good on the table. And the offer from Stoke is five years, and of course there's a financial link to it too. And all of this makes it so attractive" "Even if it's not in the Premier League and he doesn't manage to turn things around for Stoke, the money that's available should mean that Stoke, under the stewardship of someone like him, should go back to being, either next season or soon, a regular Premier League team" After reading that surely we have to go back in again for him now he's a free agent. The last paragraph makes you believe he'll drop down to the championship with us and money will be made available for big promotion push. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2018 17:51:39 GMT
Guillem Balague interview from 11th January. Heartbreaking www.offtheball.com/listen_back/10/41847/11th_January_2018_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_3/"He was impressed by what they had to say. It's a 5-year deal - and there's a lot of money available now. That probably explains why Mark Hughes wasn't getting many answers about reinforcements in the last few months" "Clearly they wanted somebody else in charge" "Stoke have come in with a project that's very exciting and it will be very difficult to say no - and Stoke are very hopeful he will say 'yes' "Quique was pretty impressed with what he was hearing. It's quite clear that if you look at what Stoke have done in the market in recent times under Hughes - I think there've been maybe 66 new players- but a lot of it had to be done....cleverly, using the little money that was available, and of course there was the wages that they couldn't compete with" "But it seems they were waiting for this kind of thing, for a new impulse - for somebody with new ideas - and this new project is perhaps one of the most ambitious projects that's ever been put in Quique's hands" "Quite clearly if you're trying to convince someone like Flores, you'd better be good and put something good on the table. And the offer from Stoke is five years, and of course there's a financial link to it too. And all of this makes it so attractive" "Even if it's not in the Premier League and he doesn't manage to turn things around for Stoke, the money that's available should mean that Stoke, under the stewardship of someone like him, should go back to being, either next season or soon, a regular Premier League team" After reading that surely we have to go back in again for him now he's a free agent. The last paragraph makes you believe he'll drop down to the championship with us and money will be made available for big promotion push. Be surprised after he left us at the altar. Although I'd like to hear the full story. Just hoping the ambition remains - if Lambo stays, I think we can assume it doesn't |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 23, 2018 18:03:31 GMT
I have so many questions about this.. I can’t quite get my head round how we were on the verge of giving QSF a “best of the rest” level salary and transfer budget to aim for Europe, and ended up with mashed potato mouth and his band of cheapos and failures marching merrily into the Championship, soon to be richly rewarded with the remainder of a two-and-a-half year contract, if reports are to be believed. So what happened to this project? Was it exaggerated in the media? Was it properly planned out, and was it really just shelved and we decided to change tack as soon as QSF said no? Was it led by John Coates and Peter was always a reluctant passenger? How can we possibly be satisfied with Lambert if, a matter of weeks ago, we were prepared to offer big money and a long contract for a European coach with a bit of pedigree? Was it all completely contingent on staying up and has now been scrapped as hastily as it was put together? Most importantly, is there any hope of it being revived? If John says yes and Peter says no then it really is time for PC to step aside... Can anyone shed any light? Seems like such a huge u-turn in approach, what went on? Most of the project is on loan, barred from the club or playing for the under 23's. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 19:33:30 GMT
Guillem Balague interview from 11th January. Heartbreaking www.offtheball.com/listen_back/10/41847/11th_January_2018_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_3/"He was impressed by what they had to say. It's a 5-year deal - and there's a lot of money available now. That probably explains why Mark Hughes wasn't getting many answers about reinforcements in the last few months" "Clearly they wanted somebody else in charge" "Stoke have come in with a project that's very exciting and it will be very difficult to say no - and Stoke are very hopeful he will say 'yes' "Quique was pretty impressed with what he was hearing. It's quite clear that if you look at what Stoke have done in the market in recent times under Hughes - I think there've been maybe 66 new players- but a lot of it had to be done....cleverly, using the little money that was available, and of course there was the wages that they couldn't compete with" "But it seems they were waiting for this kind of thing, for a new impulse - for somebody with new ideas - and this new project is perhaps one of the most ambitious projects that's ever been put in Quique's hands" "Quite clearly if you're trying to convince someone like Flores, you'd better be good and put something good on the table. And the offer from Stoke is five years, and of course there's a financial link to it too. And all of this makes it so attractive" "Even if it's not in the Premier League and he doesn't manage to turn things around for Stoke, the money that's available should mean that Stoke, under the stewardship of someone like him, should go back to being, either next season or soon, a regular Premier League team" After reading that surely we have to go back in again for him now he's a free agent. The last paragraph makes you believe he'll drop down to the championship with us and money will be made available for big promotion push. Dead right. I'm getting a bad feeling about Lambert - one win in 11, 12? I'm getting an anyone but Lambert vibe 😬 |
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