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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 19:44:43 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc.
Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants.
Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd.
Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need?
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Post by stokeson on Apr 18, 2018 19:48:14 GMT
No.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 18, 2018 19:48:54 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? Image is everything isn't it. I'd kill to have the Spanish waiter as our manager but to pretend his brand of football is markedly different from some that are labelled dinosaurs is totally delusional. A good manager is a good manager, the rest is just pompous froth. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 18, 2018 19:57:28 GMT
A good manager gets the best results possible with whichever group of players he inherits, by playing any type of system that suits those players best.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 18, 2018 20:13:22 GMT
The amount of slack Lambert seems to be being cut in certain quarters is fking staggering to me. He comes in as a relegation firefighter - with us only just entering the bottom three - to scrap out a few points and give us a chance of staying up, and promptly oversees pretty much our worst ten-game run of the season (the competition being the worst football we'd ever seen under Mark Hughes) to see us as good as down with four games still to play. And that's with a pretty favourable run of fixtures.
And now the board want to reward this dismally meek failure to meet the one target he had with a crack at the Champo next year. It's mind-boggling.
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Post by rawli on Apr 18, 2018 20:19:41 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? Sniffy about managers and potential signings. Whoever we are linked with is deemed to be dog shit before they go somewhere else and do ok. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 20:21:56 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? Sniffy about managers and potential signings. Whoever we are linked with is deemed to be dog shit before they go somewhere else and do ok. Especially strikers! |
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Post by stokemark on Apr 18, 2018 20:25:13 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? The first paragraph is made up bollocks The second is is utter horseshit The last sentence is utterly fucking laughable Worst post on here for months |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 20:26:52 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? The first paragraph is made up bollocks The second is is utter horseshit The last sentence is utterly fucking laughable Worst post on here for months Until that one. |
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 18, 2018 20:30:05 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? It's not just the managers you have listed that the board have turned there noses up at it's all the foreign managers too except QSF "must have premier league experience" and "British or Irish managers" fustrates the hell out of me. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 18, 2018 21:02:23 GMT
The number of bums on seats next season will be a telling factor
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 18, 2018 21:21:49 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? He has won one in eleven.....was here during the transfer window and failed to insist on a striker ( it even appears he that he may not have thought we needed one ) and yet even the most myopic fan could see we desperately needed one.. Ok he's shored up the defence but that's pretty much it. If he's what we needed he'd have kept us up. Sorry I just can't buy into what he's selling. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 21:25:17 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? He has won one in eleven.....was here during the transfer window and failed to insist on a striker ( it even appears he that he may not have thought we needed one ) and yet even the most myopic fan could see we desperately needed one.. Ok he's shored up the defence but that's pretty much it. If he's what we needed he'd have kept us up. Sorry I just can't buy into what he's selling. Fair enough. |
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 18, 2018 21:26:44 GMT
He has won one in eleven.....was here during the transfer window and failed to insist on a striker ( it even appears he that he may not have thought we needed one ) and yet even the most myopic fan could see we desperately needed one.. Ok he's shored up the defence but that's pretty much it. If he's what we needed he'd have kept us up. Sorry I just can't buy into what he's selling. Fair enough.  |
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Post by onionman on Apr 18, 2018 21:27:58 GMT
The amount of slack Lambert seems to be being cut in certain quarters is fking staggering to me. He comes in as a relegation firefighter - with us only just entering the bottom three - to scrap out a few points and give us a chance of staying up, and promptly oversees pretty much our worst ten-game run of the season (the competition being the worst football we'd ever seen under Mark Hughes) to see us as good as down with four games still to play. And that's with a pretty favourable run of fixtures. And now the board want to reward this dismally meek failure to meet the one target he had with a crack at the Champo next year. It's mind-boggling. I think it might be our worst ten-match run in the prem? Can anyone say when we last went ten games without a win? |
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Post by pavel on Apr 18, 2018 21:33:48 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? No we've not been sniffy enough, we should have been looking and continued looking for a top class manager that, at the time, a top 9 premier league team deserved. As for Lambert I think if you look, he's outdoing Hughes in the easy to beat stakes, he's exactly what we don't need. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 18, 2018 21:38:39 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? No we've not been sniffy enough, we should have been looking and continued looking for a top class manager that, at the time, a top 9 premier league team deserved. As for Lambert I think if you look, he's outdoing Hughes in the easy to beat stakes, he's exactly what we don't need. The way Hughes was going, I think he would have continued getting us hammered every week. For whatever reason he had lost his mojo. Who would be your choice for our new manager? |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 18, 2018 21:42:47 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? No we've not been sniffy enough, we should have been looking and continued looking for a top class manager that, at the time, a top 9 premier league team deserved. As for Lambert I think if you look, he's outdoing Hughes in the easy to beat stakes, he's exactly what we don't need. This - the lack of ambition despite having the resources and c£1bn of TV money over the past decade is a disgrace. Complacency dressed up as cautious prudence and loyalty used as a fig leaf against having to make tough decisions WHEN they needed to be made have ultimately cost us dearly. The board are all complicit in allowing the demented Hughes bandwagon to keep on rolling until it was too late to reverse the decline. |
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Post by pavel on Apr 18, 2018 21:45:49 GMT
No we've not been sniffy enough, we should have been looking and continued looking for a top class manager that, at the time, a top 9 premier league team deserved. As for Lambert I think if you look, he's outdoing Hughes in the easy to beat stakes, he's exactly what we don't need. The way Hughes was going, I think he would have continued getting us hammered every week. For whatever reason he had lost his mojo. Who would be your choice for our new manager? Matey, to be honest that's not my job, and yes Hughes had lost his mojo. However, at the moment I would go for someone who is hungry, up and coming and who is up to date with football as it is today, rather than a safe but tired and recycled manager, but it shouldn't have come to this, we had so many opportunities to replace Mark H when he was faltering but we lacked the ambition and forward thinking mentality as a club. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 18, 2018 23:06:30 GMT
The amount of slack Lambert seems to be being cut in certain quarters is fking staggering to me. He comes in as a relegation firefighter - with us only just entering the bottom three - to scrap out a few points and give us a chance of staying up, and promptly oversees pretty much our worst ten-game run of the season (the competition being the worst football we'd ever seen under Mark Hughes) to see us as good as down with four games still to play. And that's with a pretty favourable run of fixtures. And now the board want to reward this dismally meek failure to meet the one target he had with a crack at the Champo next year. It's mind-boggling. Couldn’t say it any better. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 19, 2018 4:24:29 GMT
It's staggering really.
10 years in the Premier League
Solid fan base
Good solid base to build from
Steady local owners who are amongst the richest in the league
All of the above and the best we could muster up was to get rejected by two managers and have to turn to Paul Lambert.
We should have been such an attractive proposition to any manager
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Post by PolPotter on Apr 19, 2018 4:51:03 GMT
Even if we had taken on any of the other managers you named we would have been just as vulnerable. We always will be until we change our business model from needing to survive to a model that's about ambition and wanting to achieve 1st position, even if it's a plan that takes X amount of years. The model won't change because we don't have the investment and we sure as hell don't have the right people leading the club.
We had our day when Hughes was getting us to 9th. It's during this phase Coates didn't have what it takes to commit to a big step for a push for the top 6 and we have paid the price. We have been making up the numbers and we have been found wanting. We might never get to 9th again if Coates is the best we can do.
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 19, 2018 5:03:06 GMT
The number of bums on seats next season will be a telling factor Wimmer, Berahino and Imbula on the bench would be three for a start. |
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Post by rawli on Apr 19, 2018 12:09:20 GMT
Even if we had taken on any of the other managers you named we would have been just as vulnerable. We always will be until we change our business model from needed to survive to a model that's about ambition and wanting to archive 1st position, even if it's a plan that takes X amount of years. The model won't change because we don't have the investment and we sure as hell don't have the right people leading the club. We had our day when Hughes was getting us to 9th. It's during this phase Coates didn't have what it takes to commit to a big step for a push for the top 6 and we have paid the price. We have been making up the numbers and we have been found wanting. We might never get to 9th again if Coates is the best we can do. He didn't have what it takes to commit for remaining top 10. Top 6 was always going to be beyond us. |
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Post by Godo on Apr 19, 2018 13:04:26 GMT
When you think a Pulis made team is bottom, our previous managers team 3rd bottom and ourcurrent manager has us next bottom and the only direction he has taken us in is down a place I'd like to suggest that we haven't been "sniffy" enough when it comes the managers we appoint! ! Maybe we are as shit at choosing managers as we are at signing +£14m players??!!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 19, 2018 13:53:04 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? The simple answer is YES. |
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Post by stokemark on Apr 19, 2018 17:54:37 GMT
At various times over the last couple of years we have turned out noses up at Hughton, Dyche , Moyes, Allardyce, Hodgson etc. Most, if not all, were deemed route one merchants. Meanwhile, we lumbered along with Hughes, who ruined our squad and made us incredibly easy to beat. Now we have the admittedly unfashionable Lambert getting flak for not being able to polish a turd. Could it be that he, or someone similar, is exactly what we need? The simple answer is YES. Bollocks is he you must be mad or a masochist |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 19, 2018 19:47:53 GMT
The simple answer is YES. Bollocks is he you must be mad or a masochist If you can post in plain English I'll reply |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 19, 2018 20:31:46 GMT
No, many of the possible managers we could have had would have been poor appointments at the time.
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Post by salopian on Apr 19, 2018 20:45:01 GMT
The amount of slack Lambert seems to be being cut in certain quarters is fking staggering to me. He comes in as a relegation firefighter - with us only just entering the bottom three - to scrap out a few points and give us a chance of staying up, and promptly oversees pretty much our worst ten-game run of the season (the competition being the worst football we'd ever seen under Mark Hughes) to see us as good as down with four games still to play. And that's with a pretty favourable run of fixtures. And now the board want to reward this dismally meek failure to meet the one target he had with a crack at the Champo next year. It's mind-boggling. But are you surprised the board will reward him with season in the championship when our results have barely improved despite as you said our initial favourable fixtures..... I'm not !
They have blindly walked into relegation, blindly never got a suitable replacement ready at the right time ( prior to A January transfer window) and gave him a 2 1/2 year contract and no new striker to try and inject abit of life into our goal scoring record... Ambition or putting right a significant balls up is extremely unlikely to be top of priority!! ( more likely Stabilize and self sufficient bollox)
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