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Post by silverdollar on Apr 17, 2018 9:48:51 GMT
My immediate reaction after we scored last night was to think about taking off Shaqiri and solidifying the shape of the team to keep a clean sheet. Just ten minutes of having a solid defensive set up. The back four were pretty solid surely Cameron Ndaiye Allen Fletcher for ten minutes would have been better? Fletcher does have his Knockers but his experience would have been invaluable. Even Johnson instead of Ireland was better option IMO
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 17, 2018 9:52:18 GMT
The crucial thing for me was we didn't have a good enough out ball or someone who could take play the other way away from our goal.
I know the important thing is to shore up the defence, but we made it too hard for ourselves because we couldn't get further than 40 yards from out own goal.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 17, 2018 9:55:22 GMT
My immediate reaction after we scored last night was to think about taking off Shaqiri and solidifying the shape of the team to keep a clean sheet. Just ten minutes of having a solid defensive set up. The back four were pretty solid surely Cameron Ndaiye Allen Fletcher for ten minutes would have been better? Fletcher does have his Knockers but his experience would have been invaluable. Even Johnson instead of Ireland was better option IMO Johnson wasn't in the squad because he was injured. Appalling management. Lambert out! |
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 17, 2018 9:58:57 GMT
We've forgotten how to win it seems.
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Post by alsagersausage on Apr 17, 2018 10:19:28 GMT
Should have had Fletcher instead of Cameron he was a liability with free kicks on the edge of the box and his crap header to set up Cresswell for the cross
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Post by sportsman on Apr 17, 2018 10:27:10 GMT
No matter what Lambert would have done some tits on here would moan. Can you imagine after we scored taking Shaq off and they then score?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 17, 2018 10:28:22 GMT
It's easy to say Fletcher instead of Cameron after the event though isn't it. Having Choupo and Jese (yes, I know!) unavailable gave us no options up top to run the channels and take the play away. Our squad has been depleted by injury, naughtiness, obesity and Reggaeton obsession. We're a shell of a team walking into the abyss. Relegation would be easier to take if I could see a way forward, but the rebuilding necessary is frightening.
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Post by vahl on Apr 17, 2018 10:34:42 GMT
The changes we needed, for me, was:
Ireland on for Bauer
Crouchy on for Diouf
Move Shaq out to the right hand side, slot Ireland in down the middle and then proceed as you were
But no, let's stand on the sidelines with my fancy clipboard tactics, looking like an American Super Bowl coach and get it horribly wrong.
At this stage of the season tactical decisions like those are seriously demented.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Apr 17, 2018 10:56:51 GMT
Should have had Fletcher instead of Cameron he was a liability with free kicks on the edge of the box and his crap header to set up Cresswell for the cross Should have left Bauer on. Fletcher shouldn’t even be anywhere near the squad and Cameron isn’t the player he was either. We just have no depth to the squad to enable us to get a grip on the game in midfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 11:14:01 GMT
Take Shaqiri off as well?
Christ he'd have been hung!
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Post by redrob on Apr 17, 2018 11:31:45 GMT
we needed a leader on the pitch, someone who had the nouce to manage the game. Get feet on the ball hold up play draw free kicks time waste ect instead what we got was pure panic, rash tackles leading to free kick after free kick, balls lumped straight back down the park to let WHU start a new attack and of course the defending for the goal. Someone above has used the phrase that we have forgotten how to win, they are right
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Post by Godo on Apr 17, 2018 11:38:50 GMT
Yes what was needed was the ever reliable Cameron. .... set up their goal and gave away stupid free kicks. Difficult for the manager to shuffle the pack when the pack consists of 50% jokers!
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Post by sportsman on Apr 17, 2018 12:09:44 GMT
So, after reading everyone's opinion on what should have happened, everyone has a different view on it. I posted after the crouch goal, when Lambert was getting pelters just before it happened, 'tactical genius'. Then they equalize last minute. Fine lines and all that, yet you all have different solutions to how it should have been done.
For me it's just bloody typical of the bad luck we've been having lately.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2018 12:17:39 GMT
Should have had Fletcher instead of Cameron he was a liability with free kicks on the edge of the box and his crap header to set up Cresswell for the cross Fletcher would have been no better. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
Should have had Fletcher instead of Cameron he was a liability with free kicks on the edge of the box and his crap header to set up Cresswell for the cross Should have left Bauer on. Fletcher shouldn’t even be anywhere near the squad and Cameron isn’t the player he was either. We just have no depth to the squad to enable us to get a grip on the game in midfield. Cameron has never been a player  |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 17, 2018 12:20:41 GMT
I didn't get Bauer going off he seems able to run all day and could have been an outlet maybe.
We needed more spells of keeping the ball but as has been the case for a long time now we can't kill a game and in the end it cost us .
Not sure taking Shaq off woukd have made much difference as one of our better experienced players he should have been able to buy us time but the pressure for to the team in the end .
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 17, 2018 12:22:26 GMT
I can understand everybody's angst over the situation we are in but I personally draw a line at slating individual players who are under enormous pressure to come on and perform well. I have always seen Cameron as a hard working and determined club player who is a good example of your average Stoke player. He came onto the pitch last night in a highly pressured atmosphere and struggled to get up with the pace of the game. Understandable after being out for a few weeks. I still trust in him to battle for the club. He does not warrant the abuse he is getting!
My initial point about this thread was that I feel Lambert should have just shut up the shop for the last ten minutes once we went ahead. We were far too open in our play. At that point Shaqiri became a luxury that we did not need. Who is more defensively equipped Bauer or Ireland? Fletcher or Shaqiri?
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Post by magliarosa on Apr 17, 2018 12:24:21 GMT
Bringing Crouch on (great) taking off one of your best crossers of the ball Bauer (not so great). Lambert got it badly wrong (again).
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Post by onepara on Apr 17, 2018 12:24:37 GMT
I was surprised to see Crouch just lump it up the pitch. With his experience he should have known better. He was that man that we had on the pitch with the nouse required, Unfortunately he panicked as well.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 17, 2018 12:24:43 GMT
talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. That sub made no sense to me at all. Anyone know if he commented on it in the post-match interview?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 17, 2018 12:26:09 GMT
I was surprised to see Crouch just lump it up the pitch. With his experience he should have known better. He was that man that we had on the pitch with the nouse required, Unfortunately he panicked as well. "Desperate times call for desperate measures". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 12:27:58 GMT
Move Shaq out to the right hand side, slot Ireland in down the middle and then proceed as you were But no, let's stand on the sidelines with my fancy clipboard tactics, looking like an American Super Bowl coach and get it horribly wrong. At this stage of the season tactical decisions like those are seriously demented. Hmmm, Lambert moved Shaqiri to the right, Ireland was slotted into the middle! The problem was that neither player has a defensive bone in them. |
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Post by 1982stokie on Apr 17, 2018 12:30:30 GMT
Bauer would have been a great out ball couldn't understand him coming off
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 17, 2018 12:31:25 GMT
It was shit management compounded by player mistakes.
Shaqiri got a free kick and was up in twenty seconds. Bournemouth would have milked two minutes out of that incident.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 12:32:29 GMT
Bauer would have been a great out ball couldn't understand him coming off He came off for Crouch though so it is kind of irrelevant. |
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Post by kustokie on Apr 17, 2018 12:33:04 GMT
I think it was a case if it ain't broke don't fix. In hind sight it might have been better to have left things the way they were.
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Post by waddosnavy on Apr 17, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
Sadly, we don't have the players who can give us an outlet when under intense pressure.
I recall a game at Upton Park around 1964. It was 0-0 with 10 minutes or so to go and under pressure. We gave the ball to Jimmy McIlroy, who took the ball down to the corner flag, and jiggled around with it whilst surrounded by 3 defenders. We won several corners (taken short), and throw in's, but West Ham couldn't get the ball and we ran the clock down for a good point.
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Post by vahl on Apr 17, 2018 12:53:50 GMT
Move Shaq out to the right hand side, slot Ireland in down the middle and then proceed as you were But no, let's stand on the sidelines with my fancy clipboard tactics, looking like an American Super Bowl coach and get it horribly wrong. At this stage of the season tactical decisions like those are seriously demented. Hmmm, Lambert moved Shaqiri to the right, Ireland was slotted into the middle! The problem was that neither player has a defensive bone in them. It's all about timing and balance with subs though, isn't it? The first change upset everything and yeah, we finished the game with Shaq right & Ireland middle but Ireland hasn't even touched the pitch until 87th minute! Sobhi was subbed on 62. Joe Allen has played left winger for about 20 minutes, I'm not even sure that's sunk in for people yet. Sobhi being subbed, after their right side had been so quiet as well, left us vulnerable and upset the balance for the rest of the match. It doesn't matter now does it, but the finer details are often the difference between winning and losing. |
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Post by karl on Apr 17, 2018 13:39:47 GMT
If we don't win another game for the rest of the season we have to sack Paul Lambert. Fresh start to the Championship
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Post by pulisfan on Apr 17, 2018 13:49:45 GMT
If we had won it would have been a travesty, largely outplayed by a team who has struggled for much of the season. It's over now and the club need to focus on not being where Sunderland are now this time next season. That's the only realistic aim with the quality of this squad minus the pending departures.
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