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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:15:25 GMT
For punching instead of catching the cross,thoughts?
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Post by mrred on Apr 16, 2018 21:16:37 GMT
He's right. Was screaming to catch the ball several times tonight but he's done it all season and constantly puts us under unnecessary pressure. No mention of him completely spilling the ball, or letting 3 goals (albeit offside) in. Shite.
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Post by mrmojorisin on Apr 16, 2018 21:17:01 GMT
Agree with Neville. Butland should be catching more; it's not like he's small.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:17:43 GMT
Why didn't he catch it? I shouted catch the fucking thing at the telly.
We are crap. Our so called top players aren't actually top players.
Absolute rubbish. Butlands punch, crouchs hack clear, camerons header, BMI not being within touching distance of carroll...all shite.
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Post by potts348 on Apr 16, 2018 21:18:04 GMT
100% right. Could of killed the game there and then
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Post by jeycov on Apr 16, 2018 21:18:33 GMT
Agree with Neville. Butland should be catching more; it's not like he's small. Lost some confidence in catching and the last thing he wants to do is fumble a catch in front of Gareth Southgate |
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Post by miggoscfc on Apr 16, 2018 21:18:40 GMT
Hes right. How many times has he done it this season ? Then add crouch clearing it when he could of brought it down, cameron for the weidest non headed clearances your ever likely to see or Bruno for turning his back on the Carroll volley instead of throwing himself infront of it.
Comedy of errors as the whole season has been.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 21:19:02 GMT
Not sure but there was one earlier in the half where he came out again and completely missed the ball. No doubt about it, he is struggling in certain aspects of his game right now.
To be fair Neville totally contradicted himself - on one hand saying Butland should catch, the next breath saying the two centre halves dropped too deep onto him.
Ultimately he got the ball out of danger and to a Stoke player. We should deal with it from there.
Mistake 1 - Crouch with a silly ball out to Shaqiri
Mistake 2 - No fight or pressure on the ball from Shaqiri
Mistake 3 - Weak as piss challenge from Cameron
Mistake 4 - Allen no pressure on the cross
Mistake 5 - Erik Pieters blocking off his own man in the box and allowing Carroll to bully him.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 16, 2018 21:19:04 GMT
Yeah that’s a very good point.
So so frustrating.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:19:19 GMT
Why didn't he catch it? I shouted catch the fucking thing at the telly. We are crap. Our so called top players aren't actually top players. Absolute rubbish. Butlands punch, crouchs hack clear, camerons header, BMI not being within touching distance of carroll...all shite. Agree with all that David apart from I think you’ll find it was your hero Erik that let Carroll score not Bruno as he told him after |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:20:41 GMT
Why didn't he catch it? I shouted catch the fucking thing at the telly. We are crap. Our so called top players aren't actually top players. Absolute rubbish. Butlands punch, crouchs hack clear, camerons header, BMI not being within touching distance of carroll...all shite. Agree with all that David apart from I think you’ll find it was your hero Erik that let Carroll score not Bruno as he told him after Why would you leave your left back to mark a 6ft 6 centre forward? |
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Apr 16, 2018 21:21:35 GMT
Catch ball, fall over and take pressure off. Awful header by Cameron.
Good analysis by Neville. Really agree about cramping the keeper. Hope that Lambert watches it back and everybody learns!
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Post by mcw on Apr 16, 2018 21:22:10 GMT
To be honest he is half the keeper he was before the ankle injury. He should be commanding his area at all- punching when he should be catching, rooted to the spot when he should be sweeping up behind his defence. All well and good making great saves, but it is just as imports to do the basics well and he just isn’t doing that at the moment.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 16, 2018 21:23:03 GMT
Knees up, grab it, clatter anyone else around - fall to the ground, couple of roll sand then lie there.
He's saved us a lot this year but also had some errors that we don't expect from him. Its been a shit season. I look forward to him being Englands number 1 for the years ahead though, hes a good keeper - (Play song: With or Without You - U2")
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
Agree with all that David apart from I think you’ll find it was your hero Erik that let Carroll score not Bruno as he told him after Why would you leave your left back to mark a 6ft 6 centre forward? Because from a sequence errors that’s how it happened with Bruno marking Arnie |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 16, 2018 21:24:44 GMT
I think Butland is pretty average.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 21:24:58 GMT
Agree with all that David apart from I think you’ll find it was your hero Erik that let Carroll score not Bruno as he told him after Why would you leave your left back to mark a 6ft 6 centre forward? Why would your captain drag his entire back 4 into the penalty area? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 21:26:31 GMT
He's been watching Neil Cutler videos. That can be the only explanation.
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Post by mcw on Apr 16, 2018 21:27:23 GMT
Should have given Kane a headache he would still be recovering from this week from that 2nd Tottenham goal. Clear them all out and don’t do that ridiculous star fish crap.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:28:02 GMT
Why would you leave your left back to mark a 6ft 6 centre forward? Because from a sequence errors that’s how it happened with Bruno marking Arnie No one was marking arnie who was in an off side position. Watching it again, its a mis hit cross isnt it? |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 16, 2018 21:28:13 GMT
He needed to be strong and he isn't piss poor tonight.
He hasn't had a good season at all .
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 16, 2018 21:30:31 GMT
Because from a sequence errors that’s how it happened with Bruno marking Arnie No one was marking arnie who was in an off side position. Watching it again, its a mis hit cross isnt it? It sums up a relegation season for me because we had enough chances to deal with the initial threat. |
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Post by stokeykez on Apr 16, 2018 21:34:08 GMT
Jack has made some fantastic saves but I think he's too pretty in the stoke goal. He's not prepared to get his nose bost like Steve ogrizavic and nev Southall.
I hope we get a good scrapper of a keeper for the efl because they won't be protected like in the prem.
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 16, 2018 21:36:38 GMT
He’s an average keeper, luckily we’ll get over the odds for him because he’s young and English.
His form this year has really been poor though, he’s pretty much making a costly mistake every match.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 16, 2018 21:37:20 GMT
Butland has not been as good this season as before his long time injury.
I've posted repeatedly, a top class player cannot spend a year out of the game not playing at the top level every week, and come back to his best level. It doesn't happen in other sports (Federer being rare example) and it doesn't happen in football.
Butland still produces flashes of his old self, but like Hart, he has lost his edge.
I expect he will be up for sale in the summer, no CL level club will want him and he will be sold for a moderate amount to the likes of West Ham.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 16, 2018 22:19:49 GMT
Not sure but there was one earlier in the half where he came out again and completely missed the ball. No doubt about it, he is struggling in certain aspects of his game right now. To be fair Neville totally contradicted himself - on one hand saying Butland should catch, the next breath saying the two centre halves dropped too deep onto him. Ultimately he got the ball out of danger and to a Stoke player. We should deal with it from there. Mistake 1 - Crouch with a silly ball out to Shaqiri Mistake 2 - No fight or pressure on the ball from Shaqiri Mistake 3 - Weak as piss challenge from Cameron Mistake 4 - Allen no pressure on the cross Mistake 5 - Erik Pieters blocking off his own man in the box and allowing Carroll to bully him. I’ll go with 1. The ball out shout have gone half way line, row Z. But I think it unfair to blame Crouch (as a striker in the left back position) for not being cute enough. If the ball had gone out for a throw in possibly 2,3,4and 5 wouldn’t even happened We all cringed at the antics of Watford at home. Perhaps we should have learned lessons or perhaps were just to honest |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2018 22:31:45 GMT
Leicester , Bournemouth , Spurs , West Ham , 4 out of the last ten games he’s given away points in , Should have been dropped after Bournemouth but it won’t happen now as scholes and co will see him as intrinsic to the cost recovery Can’t see any of the top 6 wanting him now after Neville’s summary , I wonder if he might just start next season here , and that’s the transfer budget gone .
You couldn’t blame Southgate if he left him at home in the summer I would id take Pickford , Pope and Hart to help the other two .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 0:24:33 GMT
Leicester , Bournemouth , Spurs , West Ham , 4 out of the last ten games he’s given away points in , Should have been dropped after Bournemouth but it won’t happen now as scholes and co will see him as intrinsic to the cost recovery Can’t see any of the top 6 wanting him now after Neville’s summary , I wonder if he might just start next season here , and that’s the transfer budget gone . You couldn’t blame Southgate if he left him at home in the summer I would id take Pickford , Pope and Hart to help the other two . The Joe Hart that gifted us a goal tonight or another one? |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2018 0:37:56 GMT
He lacks the bravery to be a top keeper. He really is massively overrated
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 17, 2018 0:40:41 GMT
Agree with Neville. Butland should be catching more; it's not like he's small. Lost some confidence in catching and the last thing he wants to do is fumble a catch in front of Gareth Southgate To be fair, his mind shouldn’t be on Gareth Southgate. |
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