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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:07:14 GMT
Controversial?
The Celtic experiment seems to have been a total success so not sure why it can’t be trialed here in England?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 13:20:45 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so.
Seems sensible.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 9, 2018 13:22:05 GMT
On the grounds of one incident in the 80's - proven to be caused by a corrupt police force, makes sense.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 9, 2018 13:29:13 GMT
On the grounds of one incident in the 80's - proven to be caused by a corrupt police force, makes sense. It wasn't one incident though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:31:29 GMT
Garbage decision. It was a travesty that terracing was the scapegoat for Hillsborough in the first place. Safe-standing isn't reverting back to the old days, it's a bloody compromise. If anything, terracing shouldn't have ever been outlawed. (it wasn't actually, there's still terracing all over the country, just not in the football premiership)
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2018 13:38:19 GMT
Once again one awful major incident affecting the majority. Tarring everybody with the same brush.
Its like saying all Muslims are terrorists, which is Not true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:52:03 GMT
Bizzarely Shrewsbury Town had theirs accepted and they could be in the same division come August!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 13:53:38 GMT
Bizzarely Shrewsbury Town had theirs accepted and they could be in the same division come August! Yeah I've just seen that. That is daft! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:59:50 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so. Seems sensible. Can't tell whether you're saying their decision is sensible, or whether you're saying that the government are rejecting the proposal because it's a sensible proposal and the government is inept. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 14:21:57 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so. Seems sensible. Can't tell whether you're saying their decision is sensible, or whether you're saying that the government are rejecting the proposal because it's a sensible proposal and the government is inept. Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 9, 2018 14:22:30 GMT
Horrific arbitrary overreach.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 9, 2018 14:25:19 GMT
Horrific arbitrary overreach. I liked their first album. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 9, 2018 14:25:48 GMT
Can't tell whether you're saying their decision is sensible, or whether you're saying that the government are rejecting the proposal because it's a sensible proposal and the government is inept. Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. I don't know why you'd say that, it should be up to each club to decide whether or not to install it. Within that framework, it should then be up to the individual supporter to decide whether or not to use it. There's no conceivable reason to ban it. The inconsistency is weird, but there's no possible way to say it's sensible to have it banned either way! |
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Post by steino1966 on Apr 9, 2018 14:27:04 GMT
Is standing considered safe and allowed in League 1 and 2, because of low attendances? As I can't recall Brentford and Burton Albion having any problems with their terrace sections of the ground in the Championship (three seasons have to go to all-seater), and safe standing would be safer than the terraces those clubs have now.
Not heard of any issues with Celtic's safe standing section and the same for leagues around Europe where it's allowed.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 9, 2018 14:27:06 GMT
i saw that Everton have also provisionally designed a safe standing section in the plans for their new ground.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 9, 2018 14:28:19 GMT
On the grounds of one incident in the 80's - proven to be caused by a corrupt police force, makes sense. It wasn't just one incident the terraces as they were then were an accident waiting to happen. |
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Post by rambler on Apr 9, 2018 14:56:24 GMT
It’s what you get when you have someone who has never experienced sport other than from watching on tv, or being in a box, being in charge of sports in this country. If this was someone normal, working class and on the average supporters level, then the decision would not have been the same.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 15:04:07 GMT
Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. I don't know why you'd say that, it should be up to each club to decide whether or not to install it. Within that framework, it should then be up to the individual supporter to decide whether or not to use it. There's no conceivable reason to ban it. The inconsistency is weird, but there's no possible way to say it's sensible to have it banned either way! I just mean from the Government point of view. Why allow it for one club and not another? The choice then filters down. I don't like the idea that's all. I think it's a backwards step but they have to be consistent about it whichever way. |
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Apr 9, 2018 16:34:54 GMT
I don't know why you'd say that, it should be up to each club to decide whether or not to install it. Within that framework, it should then be up to the individual supporter to decide whether or not to use it. There's no conceivable reason to ban it. The inconsistency is weird, but there's no possible way to say it's sensible to have it banned either way! I just mean from the Government point of view. Why allow it for one club and not another? The choice then filters down. I don't like the idea that's all. I think it's a backwards step but they have to be consistent about it whichever way. Another stupid decision. I may be a bit premature, but if you join us in the Championship next season, Stoke fans could have been able to stand in peace (at the rear of the Smethwick End). Any SCFC fan who is unwilling or unable to stand would have been able to sit at the front. Currently the stewards enforce (vigorously) a total ban on any Albion fan standing on the Brummie, whilst we can see away fans standing with impunity at the other end of the ground, in an area which is not designed for standing. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 9, 2018 16:35:31 GMT
Great news!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 9, 2018 17:36:22 GMT
Can't tell whether you're saying their decision is sensible, or whether you're saying that the government are rejecting the proposal because it's a sensible proposal and the government is inept. Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. Bayern you haven't been following the debate very closely if you didn't realise that terracing was still allowed in the bottom two divisions of the Football League - and that clubs with terracing had a period of grace if/when they were promoted to the Championship. And safe standing (when configured in standing mode) is simply a very safe form of terracing. When in seated mode it is simply seating like any other seated area. |
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Post by stokeson on Apr 9, 2018 17:48:13 GMT
Thatchers Law .No tory gov will overturn it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 9, 2018 17:51:42 GMT
They should bring back railings,just behind the goals if Diouf is still here next season,
for supporters safety.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 9, 2018 18:43:29 GMT
It's the right decision, I want to consume my prawn sandwich in the comfort of my seat thank you very much.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 9, 2018 18:51:53 GMT
what surprises me is that anyone on here would expect consistency from the FA or the Government  |
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Post by Northy on Apr 9, 2018 19:19:28 GMT
Bizzarely Shrewsbury Town had theirs accepted and they could be in the same division come August! Even more empty spaces at their ground then |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 9, 2018 19:23:14 GMT
Surely standing with a rail in front of you is safer than standing with just a seat in front of you which is pretty much how every away supporter is at any game these days.
Let's face it I can count on one hand the amount of times I've used my seat at an away match because everybody else stands.
Many times I've been pushed forwards and in some instances fell over the seat in front. Surely having a rail barrier on each row is the logical safe option.
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 9, 2018 19:40:47 GMT
Can't tell whether you're saying their decision is sensible, or whether you're saying that the government are rejecting the proposal because it's a sensible proposal and the government is inept. Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. Don’t be a Premier League ponse Bayern, standing is allowed in plenty of English grounds. Every time I go down the Gas I stand on a traditional terrace. The fact you can do this shows it cannot be unsafe. If they are safe at Bristol Rovers they are safe at Stoke, West Brom or anywhere else! It has nothing to do with safety that we cannot have a proper terrace on the Boothen again! BM |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 9, 2018 19:56:41 GMT
Surely standing with a rail in front of you is safer than standing with just a seat in front of you which is pretty much how every away supporter is at any game these days. Let's face it I can count on one hand the amount of times I've used my seat at an away match because everybody else stands. Many times I've been pushed forwards and in some instances fell over the seat in front. Surely having a rail barrier on each row is the logical safe option. You are absolutely right. The only issue being the height of the rail in front of you, it’s to be about waist height for Mr/Mrs average. Being an owde fucker I enjoy sitting without any restricted view, however I understand the clamour for safe standing. Done properly it’s far much safer than what is being allowed (because nobody has the bollocks to stop it) in all seater stadiums at this moment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 9, 2018 20:14:36 GMT
Well I thought it was a sensible decision until I saw the Shrewsbury news. You either don't allow it or allow it. Bayern you haven't been following the debate very closely if you didn't realise that terracing was still allowed in the bottom two divisions of the Football League - and that clubs with terracing had a period of grace if/when they were promoted to the Championship. And safe standing (when configured in standing mode) is simply a very safe form of terracing. When in seated mode it is simply seating like any other seated area. To be fair John this is a VERY different scenario. You're surely not suggesting that Shrewsbury (if they're promoted) will ultimately have to provide a completely all seater stadium in line with the established ruling of clubs being promoted to the Championship once their period of grace ends? They won't. How you can have one ruling for one club and another ruling for another club who are (potentially) both in the same league is utterly farcical. |
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