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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 8, 2018 12:32:27 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why?
For me...
1. Mark Hughes
2. Mark Cartwright
3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker
4. Peter Coates
5. Charlie Adam
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 8, 2018 12:35:45 GMT
No top 5 - just the whole board
Wont even blame Berahino - he was who he is at WBA and was frozen out and yet our wonderful board and management thought otherwise
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 8, 2018 12:35:49 GMT
Coates is responsible ultimately for everything you list.
BM
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Post by stokemark on Apr 8, 2018 12:37:15 GMT
If that's in order then you are wrong as Peter Coates is responsible for everything else
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2018 12:41:46 GMT
Coates should have ended it last summer and failed miserably.
And his solution to that problem he dithered over is a failure too.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 8, 2018 12:42:10 GMT
Coates and the board. Mark and his team. Transfer dealings in and out. The players. All round Apathy and Happy Clappers. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Apr 8, 2018 12:43:16 GMT
Nothing is black and white. Why are we always trying to pin something on one person? Everone should and probably would own up to their share. A season of rubbish performance from everyone.
The buck stops with Sir Peter though, however after what he's done for us let's hope he puts it right.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 8, 2018 12:55:29 GMT
Coates should have ended it last summer and failed miserably. And his solution to that problem he dithered over is a failure too. Bit extreme that Bayern  He could of just sacked Hughes. |
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Post by PenkPonther on Apr 8, 2018 13:14:56 GMT
Looking at causes rather than individuals, I'd say maybe;
1) Not investing the Bet365 riches and record TV money on top players.
2) Squad too small to provide competition: we're allowed 25 senior players, so why not have 25?
3) The wrong DNA: heads going down as soon as we go behind, no leaders geeing the players up again.
4) The car parking situation that makes half the supporters leave 15 minutes before the end.
5) The fact that we've always been an up and down club historically, and this day was just inevitable.
Was tempted to put "toxic fans" as a reply to the "happy clappers" suggestion earlier, but for me the truth is the fans, whether positive or negative-minded, were not at all the problem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2018 13:20:42 GMT
Looking at causes rather than individuals, I'd say maybe; 1) Not investing the Bet365 riches and record TV money on top players. 2) Squad too small to provide competition: we're allowed 25 senior players, so why not have 25? 3) The wrong DNA: heads going down as soon as we go behind, no leaders geeing the players up again. 4) The car parking situation that makes half the supporters leave 15 minutes before the end. 5) The fact that we've always been an up and down club historically, and this day was just inevitable. Was tempted to put "toxic fans" as a reply to the "happy clappers" suggestion earlier, but for me the truth is the fans, whether positive or negative-minded, were not at all the problem. I think the fans have. We've been way too passive or apathetic. And quite frankly accepting of utter shit. |
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Post by stantheman on Apr 8, 2018 13:22:21 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why? For me... 1. Mark Hughes 2. Mark Cartwright 3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker 4. Peter Coates 5. Charlie Adam Was Diouf's inability to pass to any of 3 teammates in the box yesterday any worse than Adam having a penalty saved? Or his record of just 6 goals in 30 appearances this season? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 8, 2018 14:22:22 GMT
Looking at causes rather than individuals, I'd say maybe; 1) Not investing the Bet365 riches and record TV money on top players. 2) Squad too small to provide competition: we're allowed 25 senior players, so why not have 25? 3) The wrong DNA: heads going down as soon as we go behind, no leaders geeing the players up again. 4) The car parking situation that makes half the supporters leave 15 minutes before the end. 5) The fact that we've always been an up and down club historically, and this day was just inevitable. Was tempted to put "toxic fans" as a reply to the "happy clappers" suggestion earlier, but for me the truth is the fans, whether positive or negative-minded, were not at all the problem. Sorry with the monies awash in Premier League we should not be accepting number 5. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 8, 2018 14:28:30 GMT
1-5 The players!
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 8, 2018 15:01:22 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why? For me... 1. Mark Hughes 2. Mark Cartwright 3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker 4. Peter Coates 5. Charlie Adam Pretty much covers it but not in the right order, I’d chuck scholes in there too for being ‘cute’ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 15:03:40 GMT
1 Peter Coates
2 Peter Coates
3 Peter Coates
4 Peter Coates
5 Peter Coates
When you are the top man you take the blame as well as the credit, EVERYONE else works for and reflects YOU.
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 8, 2018 15:33:19 GMT
1. Hughes for bringing in Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula, Wollscheid, Jesé, Fletcher and Choupo. Hughes for choosing to play the wing back system. Hughes for bringing the two clowns below with him. Hughes for imposing no discipline on the squad. Hughes for not learning from the QPR fiasco and repeating exactly the same mistakes here.
2. Bowen for not having a clue how to coach players in how to defend or attack set pieces, and for allowing a well organised and fit team become disorganised and the least fit in the league.
3. Big Ed (see no.2).
4. Cartwright. If this bloke did have a big influence on transfers and contract negotiations he should be fired well before the start of the next transfer window.
5. Scholes. If his role is to oversee the day to day running of the club he should be fired for 1,2,3 and 4. He should have sacked Hughes in 2016, but allowed him to stay and ruin the club with disastrous transfer after disastrous transfer.
Coates doesn't make my top 5 cos he got us into the top flight and also kept us there for 10 years. If I'd seem someone splash as badly as Hughes and / or Cartwright I'd have turned the tap off as well.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 8, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why? For me... 1. Mark Hughes 2. Mark Cartwright 3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker 4. Peter Coates 5. Charlie Adam Charlie Adam really? Ridiculous for any player to be on that list. The management in heirachical order 1. The board collectively Chairman, CEO 2. Mark Hughes 3. Recruitment Team 4. Paul Lambert 5. Incompetence, conceit and arrogance |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Apr 8, 2018 15:46:05 GMT
Coates, Hughes, Scholes, The shitty font for the seats.
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Post by milky on Apr 8, 2018 15:46:38 GMT
Peter Coates pure and simple. The one man who could do something about the shit show that was unfolding in front of his eyes but he chose to do nothing.
Even worse he actually claimed all was well.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 8, 2018 15:47:21 GMT
Coates alone has to shoulder the blame for not recognising that our last 9th finish flattered us and that last seasons regular thrashings was writing on the wall giving plenty of warning that all was not well - he further compounded this by choosing to ignore the continued slide into this season and the home defeat against Bournemouth should have been the trigger for action - he chose to ignore this and allowed a spawny win against Watford to put off what we all knew to be inevitable - too little too late - appalling mismanagement at the highest level.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 8, 2018 15:47:47 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why? For me... 1. Mark Hughes 2. Mark Cartwright 3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker 4. Peter Coates 5. Charlie Adam Was Diouf's inability to pass to any of 3 teammates in the box yesterday any worse than Adam having a penalty saved? Or his record of just 6 goals in 30 appearances this season? Blaming Charlie is rediculous, what about the numerous sitters that Diouf has missed over the season and he’s a striker. No individual player should take the blame imo, it’s down to the board not seeing the mess we were in at the end of last season plus the hapless signings and loan deals over the last two years. Signings that will damage us financially if we are relegated. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 16:06:44 GMT
The owners are the ones to blame for their outdated philosophy and poor judgement
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 8, 2018 16:11:53 GMT
Hughes and the so called transfer team, whoever that consists of, poor signings and poor tactics to go with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 17:46:39 GMT
In your opinion, who would you list as the top 5 people (or things) to blame for our relegation? And why? For me... 1. Mark Hughes 2. Mark Cartwright 3. Saido Berahino / inability to find striker 4. Peter Coates 5. Charlie Adam Charlie Adam really? Ridiculous for any player to be on that list. The management in heirachical order 1. The board collectively Chairman, CEO 2. Mark Hughes 3. Recruitment Team 4. Paul Lambert 5. Incompetence, conceit and arrogance Agreed 🎯👍 |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 18:05:13 GMT
Peter Coates
John Coates
Tony Scholes
Mark Cartwright
Mark Hughes.
In that order.
Edit. Lambert would be number 6 if I was allowed.
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Post by skip on Apr 8, 2018 18:28:41 GMT
Whoever decides which players we get in. They could be accused of gross industrial negligence such are monumental fuck ups in transfer dealings. When did we last have a signing who didn't 'rock the city', but made a real, significant and lasting impact on the team? And to know Bera is a liability, and that Crouch can only be used in specific team set ups, but still not to push the boat out in the January transfer window and secure the services of one or two other attack minded players is astonishingly arrogant.
If Coates doesn't get rid of Scholes and the other clownshoes involved, we will get all that he deserves.
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Post by milky on Apr 8, 2018 18:44:58 GMT
Whoever decides which players we get in. They could be accused of gross industrial negligence such are monumental fuck ups in transfer dealings. When did we last have a signing who didn't 'rock the city', but made a real, significant and lasting impact on the team? And to know Bera is a liability, and that Crouch can only be used in specific team set ups, but still not to push the boat out in the January transfer window and secure the services of one or two other attack minded players is astonishingly arrogant. If Coates doesn't get rid of Scholes and the other clownshoes involved, we will get all that he deserves. All roads lead back to Peter Coates. He was the one man who could put a stop to all the other shit happening but he chose to ignore it.Or he was seriously deluded that it would all sort itself out. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 8, 2018 18:48:06 GMT
Whoever decides which players we get in. They could be accused of gross industrial negligence such are monumental fuck ups in transfer dealings. When did we last have a signing who didn't 'rock the city', but made a real, significant and lasting impact on the team? And to know Bera is a liability, and that Crouch can only be used in specific team set ups, but still not to push the boat out in the January transfer window and secure the services of one or two other attack minded players is astonishingly arrogant. If Coates doesn't get rid of Scholes and the other clownshoes involved, we will get all that he deserves. All roads lead back to Peter Coates. He was the one man who could put a stop to all the other shit happening but he chose to ignore it.Or he was seriously deluded that it would all sort itself out. Or perhaps he genuinely didn't know what all the fuss was about. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 8, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
Coates
Hughes
Lambert
Recruitment team
Pottermous
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 8, 2018 19:12:25 GMT
The buck stops with the person in overall charge.
That is P.Coates.
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He could of just sacked Hughes. 
