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Post by PotterLog on Apr 7, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
..is he getting found out?
I’m starting to suspect it’s the latter. Being totally honest even when he was in top form I always thought he had weaknesses in his game and never thought he was as good as Begovic at his best. I felt he was young and could work on them, but he’s going backwards and it doesn’t just look like form to me. He’s looking more and more like one of the myriad goalkeepers out there who are excellent shot-stoppers but just aren’t reliable enough when it comes to the nuts and bolts like distribution and collecting balls into his area.
Won’t matter to us too much longer but it’s time to cash in asap because i can see him going the way of someone like Mignolet tbh.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 7, 2018 18:51:36 GMT
The save against Son in the first half was superb.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 7, 2018 18:52:16 GMT
It was. He’s very good in those situations.
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Post by yes on Apr 7, 2018 18:52:49 GMT
It's massively frustrating how long he keeps hold of the ball when we're chasing a game.
Not sure if it's from instruction though.
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Post by redrob on Apr 7, 2018 18:54:43 GMT
Is it an attitude thing, stay on my line don't get clattered, don't get hurt and fuck up world cup place/transfer?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 7, 2018 18:57:44 GMT
He’s a top class goalkeeper.
Top, not world, because his kicking is awful, and it’s obvious his head has been elsewhere for the duration of this season, once he establishes himself at a “bigger” club, he’ll be England’s No.1 for the foreseeable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 18:57:51 GMT
No where near the form he was in before his injury. Hes developed a habit of punching crosses instead of catching them and does not command his box. Hes been culpable for a lot of goals.
Super ball in from Ericsson but he really should deal with it.
Just hoping we get a decent fee for him.
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Post by DentySCFC on Apr 7, 2018 18:58:23 GMT
Poor on crosses.
Doesn’t command his back line.
Flat footed whenever a ball is played over the defence.
Distribution abysmal since his ankle break.
Never mind concentrating on being England’s Number 1, had we had a Premier League standard backup keeper, he’d have been dropped.
Not a patch on Begovic or Sorensen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 19:00:31 GMT
Lee Grant had a better season the year before.
I think that is right and correct but what is it telling us?
I'm stuck between a few theories that I'll probably never know.
Has he got a move lined up already? Mind elsewhere?
Is he scared of getting injured before the World Cup?
Is he struggling post injury?
A mixture of the above?
He hasn't been poor and overall he's been good, but serious errors are creeping in faster than Linford Christie and his lunchbox.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 7, 2018 19:27:49 GMT
He’s a top class goalkeeper. Top, not world, because his kicking is awful, and it’s obvious his head has been elsewhere for the duration of this season, once he establishes himself at a “bigger” club, he’ll be England’s No.1 for the foreseeable. I don’t think he’ll do either of those things |
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Post by bettyswallox on Apr 7, 2018 19:39:21 GMT
He’s a top class goalkeeper. Top, not world, because his kicking is awful, and it’s obvious his head has been elsewhere for the duration of this season, once he establishes himself at a “bigger” club, he’ll be England’s No.1 for the foreseeable. I don’t think he’ll do either of those things Same, I think he's plateauing, which is a shame. He'll always be a good highlight reel goalkeeper but, like you say, his command of his area and distribution haven't improved in the last few years really. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 7, 2018 19:43:08 GMT
He’s a top class goalkeeper. Top, not world, because his kicking is awful, and it’s obvious his head has been elsewhere for the duration of this season, once he establishes himself at a “bigger” club, he’ll be England’s No.1 for the foreseeable. I don’t think he’ll do either of those things Out of interest, where would you rank him in the league? Would he usurp Karius at Liverpool, which is where I think he’ll end up, or is he not even that good? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 7, 2018 19:44:43 GMT
Since Shilton we've had lot's of promising young goalkeepers who have failed to become world class. Maybe only Seaman since and he was prone to the odd howler!  www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamGkprs/GkprsChron.htmlI've always felt not 100% confident in Jack but dared not say something because it's not popular/Emperor and his new clothes syndrome!  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 7, 2018 19:50:14 GMT
Lee Grant had a better season the year before. I think that is right and correct but what is it telling us? I'm stuck between a few theories that I'll probably never know. Has he got a move lined up already? Mind elsewhere? Is he scared of getting injured before the World Cup? Is he struggling post injury? A mixture of the above? He hasn't been poor and overall he's been good, but serious errors are creeping in faster than Linford Christie and his lunchbox. Grant was ace last season!  |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 7, 2018 19:54:34 GMT
I don’t think he’ll do either of those things Out of interest, where would you rank him in the league? Would he usurp Karius at Liverpool, which is where I think he’ll end up, or is he not even that good? I’d have Karius over Jack in an instant at the moment. |
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Post by henry on Apr 7, 2018 20:03:27 GMT
WTF was that one he two fist punched away ? any other keeper would easily have caught that.
Not sure if he's got one eye on the world cup or he's a busted flush. Time will tell.
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Post by march4 on Apr 7, 2018 20:09:46 GMT
He looks like he might be overweight to me. Much like most other players were a few weeks back.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 7, 2018 20:11:45 GMT
I don't think he will be on the plane actually.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Apr 7, 2018 20:16:45 GMT
Get 30 million for him , pay Brum there 25% and Danny ward will replace him.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 7, 2018 20:27:57 GMT
Agree, never been totally convinced by him. In fact I would say out of Sorensen, Begovic and Butland there isn't a stand out keeper there and Lee Grant never let us down either.
I've seen £40mill banded about on here for Butland. If anyone offers us anywhere near that, bite their hand off and use the money to strengthen up front for next season. Personally, I reckon he's worth no more than £15m in actual ability.
I suspect Butland will have a career like Ben Foster's or Joe Hart's. Highly rated as a youngster, found out at the top level then ends up in a mid to lower PL club for the rest of his days.
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Post by knotty1 on Apr 7, 2018 21:10:33 GMT
wont get forty quid no where near as good as he thinks he his. and will not be number one at the world cup
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Post by stokecitydom on Apr 7, 2018 21:15:33 GMT
He needs to get off social media, knuckle down & work hard on his kicking, catching & command of area.
The annoying thing for me is his demeanour. It’s a fine line between confidence & arrogance. Just seems like he thinks he’s better than us, when unfortunately for him that really isn’t the case at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 21:22:16 GMT
He's a very good goalkeeper.
None of the top six sides will be in for him this summer though.
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Post by stillgame4it on Apr 7, 2018 21:24:47 GMT
Probably had a bet on Spurs to win,
Nowhere near as good as his ego thinks he is,
Cash in on the mercenary (as per most of our squad to be honest)
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Post by mrred on Apr 7, 2018 21:27:09 GMT
Remember how value he was to us before his injury? How many games and points he single handedly saved us? We haven't had that player this season. His heads definitely elsewhere. Up his own arsehole mainly.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 7, 2018 21:28:42 GMT
He's a very good goalkeeper. None of the top six sides will be in for him this summer though. An ambitious side from the East End will offer him shed loads of cash and the opportunity to become England's number one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 21:30:27 GMT
He's a very good goalkeeper. None of the top six sides will be in for him this summer though. An ambitious side from the East End will offer him shed loads of cash and the opportunity to become England's number one. To be fair that's probably not far off the truth. I reckon there's a good chance their current goalie will be England's number 1 this summer unfortunately. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 7, 2018 21:32:06 GMT
An ambitious side from the East End will offer him shed loads of cash and the opportunity to become England's number one. To be fair that's probably not far off the truth. I reckon there's a good chance their current goalie will be England's number 1 this summer unfortunately. I think Pickford has that one nailed down. Hart will just go as a passenger. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 21:34:25 GMT
To be fair that's probably not far off the truth. I reckon there's a good chance their current goalie will be England's number 1 this summer unfortunately. I think Pickford has that one nailed down. Hart will just go as a passenger. Jack Butland pre injury/pre this shit show of a season was miles better than both of them. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Apr 7, 2018 21:41:00 GMT
He’s not been right since the injury. His kicking wasn’t fantastic before but at the moment it’s shocking.
Shot stopping, apart from penalties, is better than average but decision making on crosses is a liability.
World Cup will be interesting if he’s number one. I don’t see it going well for him and his suitors may be reduced. Maybe his dream move won’t happen, we keep him and he becomes a bit more humble & works on his game.
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