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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:44:37 GMT
Here endeth the thread. No more to be said.
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Post by bombersheldon on Apr 8, 2018 11:48:36 GMT
I have had enough of Diouf.why can’t he stand on his feet.he seems to fall down at every opportunity to an extent where it’s getting embarrassing watching him.asfor the open goal he missed he just seems to throw himself at the ball no technique whatsoever.he has no brain as shown when he couldn’t find 3stoke players which would have got us a point.he seems permanently at odds with himself .i can understand shakiri’s frustration.before you all say he scored yesterday and runs around a lot I say I can’t watch him in a stoke shirt anymore.iand while I’m at it I can’t believe Ireland is not playing after his leg break.his performance against manu was impressive.someone for shakiri to open up a defence.rant over
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 8, 2018 11:51:15 GMT
Choupo up front for me at least technically he’s decent but I’d like us play Shaq up front with Ireland in the no.10 role.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 8, 2018 12:11:59 GMT
The thing about Diouf is that there can't be many forwards in the Premier League who find themselves in such great positions so regularly. He's got an absolute knack for it, but obviously, he's now messing up more of those chances than he used to.
I won't slag the guy off. There's enough couldn't give a toss players around for me to still value a player that gives everything he can. But yesterday was the final straw for me.
The missed chances I could forgive, but the pass to the Spurs player late on was just crazy. A Sunday League player would be utterly ashamed, and to be fair, I'd imagine he'll be replaying the incident in his mind for a good while yet.
I don't know whether Choupo is fit to play now, but we've got to start with him. I think the condemnation of Choupo has been overdone out of frustration at everything that's happened.
He's a gifted player. We know he can score goals and he would have set up Shaq for a fairly easy chance had he been in the same position as Diouf yesterday. I think we just have to trust that he'll give everything he can for us if he's given the chance from now on.
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 8, 2018 12:16:48 GMT
what a choice! would not worry if neither every played for stoke again, both have to be got rid of at the end of the season. neither are good enough for the championship just hope someone has them on their to buy list!!! campbell is the possible future lets see what he can do
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Post by werrington on Apr 8, 2018 12:48:48 GMT
Seriously....wtf
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 8, 2018 13:08:37 GMT
The thing about Diouf is that there can't be many forwards in the Premier League who find themselves in such great positions so regularly. He's got an absolute knack for it, but obviously, he's now messing up more of those chances than he used to. I won't slag the guy off. There's enough couldn't give a toss players around for me to still value a player that gives everything he can. But yesterday was the final straw for me. The missed chances I could forgive, but the pass to the Spurs player late on was just crazy. A Sunday League player would be utterly ashamed, and to be fair, I'd imagine he'll be replaying the incident in his mind for a good while yet. I don't know whether Choupo is fit to play now, but we've got to start with him. I think the condemnation of Choupo has been overdone out of frustration at everything that's happened. He's a gifted player. We know he can score goals and he would have set up Shaq for a fairly easy chance had he been in the same position as Diouf yesterday. I think we just have to trust that he'll give everything he can for us if he's given the chance from now on. Would Choupo get into those same positions though?
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Post by Absolution on Apr 8, 2018 13:24:50 GMT
The thing about Diouf is that there can't be many forwards in the Premier League who find themselves in such great positions so regularly. He's got an absolute knack for it, but obviously, he's now messing up more of those chances than he used to. I won't slag the guy off. There's enough couldn't give a toss players around for me to still value a player that gives everything he can. But yesterday was the final straw for me. The missed chances I could forgive, but the pass to the Spurs player late on was just crazy. A Sunday League player would be utterly ashamed, and to be fair, I'd imagine he'll be replaying the incident in his mind for a good while yet. I don't know whether Choupo is fit to play now, but we've got to start with him. I think the condemnation of Choupo has been overdone out of frustration at everything that's happened. He's a gifted player. We know he can score goals and he would have set up Shaq for a fairly easy chance had he been in the same position as Diouf yesterday. I think we just have to trust that he'll give everything he can for us if he's given the chance from now on. Would Choupo get into those same positions though? Ha, I was going to mention the fact that he might not do, but didn't want to swamp my post with caveats. In all honesty, I think he's probably a bit 50/50. as far as getting into those finishing positions. He's done it before, but as stated, Diouf has more of a knack. I'd back Choupo to finish more of them if he was there though. I could definitely have seen him being in the position where we made the late break, and I'd have backed him not to have found a blue shirt.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 8, 2018 13:26:43 GMT
Would Choupo get into those same positions though? Ha, I was going to mention the fact that he might not do, but didn't want to swamp my post with caveats. In all honesty, I think he's probably a bit 50/50. as far as getting into those finishing positions. He's done it before, but as stated, Diouf has more of a knack. I'd back Choupo to finish more of them if he was there though. I could definitely have seen him being in the position where we made the late break, and I'd have backed him not to have found a blue shirt. Possibly, is he quick enough to have not been swamped by Spurs players though? Is he going to press from the front, is he going to get on the end of the kind of pass Shaqiri played for Diouf yesterday? I’m not convinced he is.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 8, 2018 14:34:05 GMT
Ha, I was going to mention the fact that he might not do, but didn't want to swamp my post with caveats. In all honesty, I think he's probably a bit 50/50. as far as getting into those finishing positions. He's done it before, but as stated, Diouf has more of a knack. I'd back Choupo to finish more of them if he was there though. I could definitely have seen him being in the position where we made the late break, and I'd have backed him not to have found a blue shirt. Possibly, is he quick enough to have not been swamped by Spurs players though? Is he going to press from the front, is he going to get on the end of the kind of pass Shaqiri played for Diouf yesterday? I’m not convinced he is. Half our team made it into the box before Spurs knew what was happening, so yes I think he'd have been quick enough on that occasion. As for the through ball, if we played that kind of ball more than twice a season (since the mid-90s when Carruthers played the 'fuxache Diouf' role), I'm sure Choupo could get on the end of a few. A bit late now as at least one of the two will be off at the end of the season anyway. I'm not making out Choupo's the new Messiah. I just think I'd have him over Diouf now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 8, 2018 14:59:40 GMT
Possibly, is he quick enough to have not been swamped by Spurs players though? Is he going to press from the front, is he going to get on the end of the kind of pass Shaqiri played for Diouf yesterday? I’m not convinced he is. Half our team made it into the box before Spurs knew what was happening, so yes I think he'd have been quick enough on that occasion. As for the through ball, if we played that kind of ball more than twice a season (since the mid-90s when Carruthers played the 'fuxache Diouf' role), I'm sure Choupo could get on the end of a few. A bit late now as at least one of the two will be off at the end of the season anyway. I'm not making out Choupo's the new Messiah. I just think I'd have him over Diouf now. We’ve only just moved Shaq to number 10, that’s why. He’ll get more opportunity to play those kinds of passes from there.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 8, 2018 15:05:45 GMT
What worries me is that I look at all the other relegation contenders and all have people who can score goals.
I look at ours and I just don't see us getting the goals to win matches.
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Post by Absolution on Apr 8, 2018 15:13:29 GMT
Half our team made it into the box before Spurs knew what was happening, so yes I think he'd have been quick enough on that occasion. As for the through ball, if we played that kind of ball more than twice a season (since the mid-90s when Carruthers played the 'fuxache Diouf' role), I'm sure Choupo could get on the end of a few. A bit late now as at least one of the two will be off at the end of the season anyway. I'm not making out Choupo's the new Messiah. I just think I'd have him over Diouf now. We’ve only just moved Shaq to number 10, that’s why. He’ll get more opportunity to play those kinds of passes from there. He's only just moved there officially, but he's been drifting in to that position for a good while. Pointless getting too excited about the prospect of the move being really effective given our current situation, but if he can play a few balls in like yesterday, and if we can see the same level of commitment from the players then there's just a smidgeon of hope. I've not read too many threads since the match, so not sure if it's been mentioned, but I thought the fitness levels yesterday were massively up from a few weeks ago. That break where we had 5 players racing into the box in the 85th minute just wouldn't have happened before. Lambert has been really hampered by that. A few seeds of hope to work on.
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Post by fulagoals on Apr 8, 2018 15:37:27 GMT
Stick with system. Drop Johnson. Bauer at right back. Diouf right mid. Choupo-Moting up top. Campbell and Crouch for plan B.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 8, 2018 19:28:18 GMT
Stick with system. Drop Johnson. Bauer at right back. Diouf right mid. Choupo-Moting up top. Campbell and Crouch for plan B. Absolutely this!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 19:38:06 GMT
We need two up top, no matter who it is, one doesn't work. Time is quickly running out, 1 up top hasn't worked up to now but we keep persisting with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 19:50:39 GMT
Stick with system. Drop Johnson. Bauer at right back. Diouf right mid. Choupo-Moting up top. Campbell and Crouch for plan B. Stick with the system. Drop Johnson. Zouma at right back. Bauer right mid. Diouf up top. Choupo Moting wide left. If Plan B is required we’re fucked
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Post by Championship Potter on Apr 8, 2018 20:06:06 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Indi Pieters Bauer Ndiaye Allen Choupo Shaq Diouf
I'd go with that. We need goals in the team and Ramadan doesn't look like he has any in him at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 20:13:35 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Indi Pieters Bauer Ndiaye Allen Choupo Shaq Diouf I'd go with that. We need goals in the team and Ramadan doesn't look like he has any in him at the moment. My team also.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2018 20:24:10 GMT
I'd tend to steer clear of Choupo (and hope we can get rid in the summer as he's part of the problem, not any solution), but we do need all the goalscorers on the pitch we can get, and Ramadan and Jese aren't exactly making any case.
Do we know how many weeks he is from fitness?
I'd stick with Mame up front.
On a side note,was Bauer carrying a niggle in injury-time?
Or was the late, and pretty pointless, introduction of Zouma at full-back maybe a hint that there is possibly some kind of financial penalty involved for any game where he doesn't feature when fit - as has been speculated previously?
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Post by RF10 on Apr 8, 2018 20:26:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 20:30:26 GMT
Butland Edwards Zouma Shawcross Indi
Bauer Allen Ndiaye
Shaq
Crouch Campbell
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Post by thehoof on Apr 8, 2018 21:27:11 GMT
And we can't create any less than with Diouf up top. Well we can and have, yeah. We can all see Diouf’s flaws but the striker in our set up needs to be: 1) Capable of pressing from the front 2) Capable of getting on the end of through balls from Shaqiri. No other striker on the books can do that. No point though if you can’t hit the cows arse with the proverbial banjo though toxic. His goal owed more to good fortune than the predatory instinct of MBD.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 8, 2018 21:34:04 GMT
Well we can and have, yeah. We can all see Diouf’s flaws but the striker in our set up needs to be: 1) Capable of pressing from the front 2) Capable of getting on the end of through balls from Shaqiri. No other striker on the books can do that. No point though if you can’t hit the cows arse with the proverbial banjo though toxic. His goal owed more to good fortune than the predatory instinct of MBD. Well there is a point. The more chances you create, the likelier you are to score. That’s why you have to have a striker as well suited to your system as you can find. Diouf isn’t good enough but he’s the best fit for the best system available to us.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 8, 2018 21:42:26 GMT
No point though if you can’t hit the cows arse with the proverbial banjo though toxic. His goal owed more to good fortune than the predatory instinct of MBD. Well there is a point. The more chances you create, the likelier you are to score. That’s why you have to have a striker as well suited to your system as you can find. Diouf isn’t good enough but he’s the best fit for the best system available to us. That's why we need more creativity in the team 😁
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Post by mrteddysalad on Apr 8, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
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