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Post by wuzza on Apr 6, 2018 20:03:15 GMT
As an octogenarian son of a miner I doubt very much that Peter Coates is at one with the sort of marketing that the letter represents. However it’s fair enough that the club do what ever they can to push a few more ticket sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 20:05:09 GMT
What the hell does he mean by “...well equipped for what ever the future holds”? There are only possible outcomes: 1) relegation or 2) staying up. We are not prepared for either event. Means he’s got a load of kids already here with potential for next season when the big wages clear out.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Apr 6, 2018 20:17:35 GMT
I know this is now sounding like a stuck record but I'm going to say it anyway....I don't know what all the fuss is about!
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Post by skip on Apr 6, 2018 20:35:35 GMT
Was the "Pemier League" typo his error or one on here? Hopefully the latter.
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Post by adi on Apr 6, 2018 20:43:39 GMT
Aye, just had it through I wish he'd have signed it off: "I now see what all the fuss was about, I was wrong. I will now stop making stupid comments in the media. Yours Faithfully, PC P.S Scholes & Cartwright are gone in the summer. " He’s made himself look a right tit with his comments and he will forever be reminded of how insulting and stupid they were. Yup.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 6, 2018 21:21:42 GMT
It's not worth the paper it's written on. Like my Lucky 15's.
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Post by adi on Apr 6, 2018 21:26:21 GMT
I know this is now sounding like a stuck record but I'm going to say it anyway....I don't know what all the fuss is about! Sadly his epitaph. I will never forget his contribution to this club but those words will also never be forgotten.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2018 21:46:16 GMT
I know this is now sounding like a stuck record but I'm going to say it anyway....I don't know what all the fuss is about! Sadly his epitaph. I will never forget his contribution to this club but those words will also never be forgotten. Clearly does he think we are all as thick as pigshit, he fcuked up keeping the useless fuzzy haired sheep sh*gger it's down to you old man.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 6, 2018 22:24:14 GMT
I'm going to reply to tell him I'll always support Stoke but asking him to ensure that the learning from this season is we get our Stoke back loud horrible in yer face and committed .
That's all I want from my team no more wankers .
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 6, 2018 23:44:16 GMT
No doubt a lot of supporters will have received PC’s letter today. Many may not read it until after returning home from work IMHO He has to be applauded for saying;“There’s no escaping the fact that it has been a desperately disappointing campaign by the standards we have set ourselves since being promoted to the Pemier League in 2008” “My family and I have shared your disappointment and feel the pain of losing as intensely as anyone who holds Stoke City close to their hearts” A missed opportunityI believe he has missed a great and golden opportunity to say what a lot of supporters would have gave him MASSIVE credit for. Something along the lines of; We have made mistakes, we have learned lessons. Plans are in place to rectify those mistakes, action has already commenced that we believe will guarantee short and long term prosperity for Stoke City. No one should underestimate our plans to cement the clubs rightful place within the Premier League Just my personal thoughts as a supporterIt wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. Paul. If that is the case my personal thoughts are GO FUCK YOURSELF. Taking on board your (if true) second line it’s condersending and totally dismissive of the lifeblood of any football club, yes it’s supporters. PC does have history!! In my original post I gave PC the benefit of the doubt and spelt out my reservations of the letters intent. I have now had time, space and comments from other supporters (friends) to reconsider. I can say without contradiction that they ( supporters/friends) were looking for a positive message of hope from the club instead of a sales pitch. I can’t personally understand how a very respected business man can make such elementary mistakes in public comment or written correspondence My worst fear is that he (and the family) is/are so far removed from “supporter/stakeholder” reality that they will witness the fall of Rome by their actions. Here is hoping that I’m completely wrong
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Post by Sfance on Apr 7, 2018 2:05:59 GMT
Remarkable. Sounds like he doesn’t understand he’s responsible for what has happened. More evidence that he and reality have parted company.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 7, 2018 2:11:45 GMT
It wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. Paul. If that is the case my personal thoughts are GO FUCK YOURSELF. Taking on board your (if true) second line it’s condersending and totally dismissive of the lifeblood of any football club, yes it’s supporters. PC does have history!! In my original post I gave PC the benefit of the doubt and spelt out my reservations of the letters intent. I have now had time, space and comments from other supporters (friends) to reconsider. I can say without contradiction that they ( supporters/friends) were looking for a positive message of hope from the club instead of a sales pitch. I can’t personally understand how a very respected business man can make such elementary mistakes in public comment or written correspondence My worst fear is that he (and the family) is/are so far removed from “supporter/stakeholder” reality that they will witness the fall of Rome by their actions. Here is hoping that I’m completely wrong You should write a letter to him mate, you seem very able to convey intelligible correspondence to them. Please do so! HONESTLY!
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Post by TexasPotter on Apr 7, 2018 2:38:25 GMT
Here’s a bit of common fucking sense for you lot. Fooking get rid of the league one level e-staff rebuild... yours truly Tex.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 7, 2018 5:46:39 GMT
I know this is now sounding like a stuck record but I'm going to say it anyway....I don't know what all the fuss is about! Sadly his epitaph. I will never forget his contribution to this club but those words will also never be forgotten. Like a really shit "I have a dream"! 😁
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 7, 2018 7:05:03 GMT
No doubt a lot of supporters will have received PC’s letter today. Many may not read it until after returning home from work IMHO He has to be applauded for saying;“There’s no escaping the fact that it has been a desperately disappointing campaign by the standards we have set ourselves since being promoted to the Pemier League in 2008” “My family and I have shared your disappointment and feel the pain of losing as intensely as anyone who holds Stoke City close to their hearts” A missed opportunityI believe he has missed a great and golden opportunity to say what a lot of supporters would have gave him MASSIVE credit for. Something along the lines of; We have made mistakes, we have learned lessons. Plans are in place to rectify those mistakes, action has already commenced that we believe will guarantee short and long term prosperity for Stoke City. No one should underestimate our plans to cement the clubs rightful place within the Premier League Just my personal thoughts as a supporterIt wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. I am sure you are right Paul. A proper inquest or day of reckoning (a bit like South Africa's post Apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission) MUST wait until the end of the season. For the club to enter into that debate now, would simply distract from the ONLY IMPORTANT THING AT PRESENT - which is to maximise our slim chances of staying up.Does anyone honestly think that a public inquest involving the owners and the board AT THIS TIME would help matters? Better for the moment to do what Peter has done - ask for the fans to support the team and (by implication) try to sell as many season tickets as they can. Nothing else makes much sense at present.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 8:05:00 GMT
I agree that the inquest should wait until the end of the season.
However having seen the "head in the sand" attitude of the Board during the last year (at the very least) of Hughes's destruction of the club, and the now infamous "I don't know what all the fuss is about", etc etc, do we really think there will be a public inquest to fully identify and respond to the numerous problems on and off the pitch ?
I would imagine Scholes and Carto have disappeared from public view as they've been busy digging trenches to reinforce their positions just in case PC decides to wander down the corridor to ask why things went wrong. And if he does need to ask then he's even more out of touch than we give him credit for.
I'm just worried that we'll get relegated, Scholes, Carto and others will remain at the club and our decline will continue.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 7, 2018 8:31:09 GMT
No doubt a lot of supporters will have received PC’s letter today. Many may not read it until after returning home from work IMHO He has to be applauded for saying;“There’s no escaping the fact that it has been a desperately disappointing campaign by the standards we have set ourselves since being promoted to the Pemier League in 2008” “My family and I have shared your disappointment and feel the pain of losing as intensely as anyone who holds Stoke City close to their hearts” A missed opportunityI believe he has missed a great and golden opportunity to say what a lot of supporters would have gave him MASSIVE credit for. Something along the lines of; We have made mistakes, we have learned lessons. Plans are in place to rectify those mistakes, action has already commenced that we believe will guarantee short and long term prosperity for Stoke City. No one should underestimate our plans to cement the clubs rightful place within the Premier League Just my personal thoughts as a supporterIt wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. I think you're right Paul and I have no particular problem with the letter but I find it fairly laughable they couldn't have split the data thanking those who'd already renewed and encouraging those who hadn't with a slightly different message. It would have taken a spotty herbert from the Marketing department all of five minutes to do that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 7, 2018 8:37:51 GMT
It wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. I think you're right Paul and I have no particular problem with the letter but I find it fairly laughable they couldn't have split the data thanking those who'd already renewed and encouraging those who hadn't with a slightly different message. It would have taken a spotty herbert from the Marketing department all of five minutes to do that. Giving them the benefit of the doubt here ... I guess there was a chance of a massive crossover and a lot of people who hadn't renewed were likely to renew in this week just gone anyway and by the time the letters had arrived, then their 'status' would have altered?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 7, 2018 8:57:07 GMT
Whilst it probably adds nothing re any inquest now, the rationale is to ignore the emotion when you see your team falling from grace in such a manner whilst the owners appear to be in self denial.
The letter on its own is fine, but it is a culmination of errors and banal statements. This started for me at the end of last season with the mass walk out, then the dire form in to the new season, with some cringe worthy marketing re ambition etc. Then the build with 'what is all the fuss about' and even last week we have been unlucky and are playing well.
It just does not stack up at the moment that there will be any significant changes, all of which should have happened 11 months ago
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 7, 2018 9:00:58 GMT
I think you're right Paul and I have no particular problem with the letter but I find it fairly laughable they couldn't have split the data thanking those who'd already renewed and encouraging those who hadn't with a slightly different message. It would have taken a spotty herbert from the Marketing department all of five minutes to do that. Giving them the benefit of the doubt here ... I guess there was a chance of a massive crossover and a lot of people who hadn't renewed were likely to renew in this week just gone anyway and by the time the letters had arrived, then their 'status' would have altered? Agreed - I would expect a thousand or more ST renewals would have crossed in the post with Peter's letter. They could have had two paragraphs - one thanking fans who had renewed and another encouraging fans yet to renew to do so and reminding them that few, if any, clubs have pegged their ST prices for 10 years.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2018 9:08:30 GMT
It wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. I am sure you are right Paul. A proper inquest or day of reckoning (a bit like South Africa's post Apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission) MUST wait until the end of the season. For the club to enter into that debate now, would simply distract from the ONLY IMPORTANT THING AT PRESENT - which is to maximise our slim chances of staying up.Does anyone honestly think that a public inquest involving the owners and the board AT THIS TIME would help matters at the moment? Better for the moment to do what Peter has done - ask for the fans to support the team and (by implication) try to sell as many season tickets as they can. Nothing else makes much sense at present. Lakeland. I totally agree with your post. I never intended to raise the potential for debate at this time in my original post. I just thought PC missed a golden opportunity to advise supporters that the club recognised mistakes had been made and the hierarchy were determined to take action. Without such an inclusion and the letter being simply a sales pitch (no problem there) I can tell you from personal experience that a number of friends have already taken the cynics point of view. Which is such a shame as I believe the letter with its present content is divisive and provides further ammunition for the more vocal media savvy supporters. This only adds to the initial PC own goal about not knowing what all the fuss was about Here’s to survival
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 9:12:45 GMT
I am eternally grateful to PC for his commitment to Stoke and it's hard to be too critical of him. However this season will go down in the history of club fuck ups alongside the roof. It was preventable and as a vastly experienced Chairman he should have seen the signs us fuckwits could so he should have too. People will be talking about this season for decades if we go down the 2017-2018 clusterfuck of clusterfucks and his fuss comment will be seared into the memories of every fan alive today.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 7, 2018 9:16:17 GMT
I think you're right Paul and I have no particular problem with the letter but I find it fairly laughable they couldn't have split the data thanking those who'd already renewed and encouraging those who hadn't with a slightly different message. It would have taken a spotty herbert from the Marketing department all of five minutes to do that. Giving them the benefit of the doubt here ... I guess there was a chance of a massive crossover and a lot of people who hadn't renewed were likely to renew in this week just gone anyway and by the time the letters had arrived, then their 'status' would have altered? The crossover would have been minimal. 48 hours worth of sales at the most if it was done efficiently.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 7, 2018 9:18:48 GMT
Giving them the benefit of the doubt here ... I guess there was a chance of a massive crossover and a lot of people who hadn't renewed were likely to renew in this week just gone anyway and by the time the letters had arrived, then their 'status' would have altered? The crossover would have been minimal. 48 hours worth of sales at the most if it was done efficiently. With less than a week to go of the early bird deadline, I would imagine that 48 hours of sales would equal several thousand. Stokies do tend to buy late when there is a deadline.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2018 9:25:55 GMT
I am eternally grateful to PC for his commitment to Stoke and it's hard to be too critical of him. However this season will go down in the history of club fuck ups alongside the roof. It was preventable and as a vastly experienced Chairman he should have seen the signs us fuckwits could so he should have too. People will be talking about this season for decades if we go down the 2017-2018 clusterfuck of clusterfucks and his fuss comment will be seared into the memories of every fan alive today. Who would of thought that regular maintenance and insurance made good business sense PS. Like the post and the reference to us "fuckwits"
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 7, 2018 9:28:01 GMT
The crossover would have been minimal. 48 hours worth of sales at the most if it was done efficiently. With less than a week to go of the early bird deadline, I would imagine that 48 hours of sales would equal several thousand. Stokies do tend to buy late when there is a deadline. Maybe. It's minimal in the larger scheme of things but if you cut the data at say 10pm on a Monday night, you could have the letters in the postal system before most people are at work on Tuesday with a virtually 100% accurate list. Companies in the real world do it like that because it matters. I know I'm moaning for moanings sake but if you're going to the trouble of doing a letter, it would have been nice to do it properly.
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Post by skip on Apr 7, 2018 11:51:11 GMT
I think you're right Paul and I have no particular problem with the letter but I find it fairly laughable they couldn't have split the data thanking those who'd already renewed and encouraging those who hadn't with a slightly different message. It would have taken a spotty herbert from the Marketing department all of five minutes to do that. Giving them the benefit of the doubt here ... I guess there was a chance of a massive crossover and a lot of people who hadn't renewed were likely to renew in this week just gone anyway and by the time the letters had arrived, then their 'status' would have altered?Then any half decent PR agency would have recommended against sending out any letter at all. Stoke City FC. Propped up by "U ok Hun?" level thinking.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 7, 2018 12:39:27 GMT
Sadly his epitaph. I will never forget his contribution to this club but those words will also never be forgotten. Like a really shit "I have a dream"! 😁 Don’t forget the next line in that great speech: “I may not get there with you”. Nuff said.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 7, 2018 12:49:22 GMT
It wasn't meant to be that sort of letter. It was an appeal to people who hadn't renewed to renew. It's that simple. I am sure you are right Paul. A proper inquest or day of reckoning (a bit like South Africa's post Apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission) MUST wait until the end of the season. For the club to enter into that debate now, would simply distract from the ONLY IMPORTANT THING AT PRESENT - which is to maximise our slim chances of staying up.Does anyone honestly think that a public inquest involving the owners and the board AT THIS TIME would help matters? Better for the moment to do what Peter has done - ask for the fans to support the team and (by implication) try to sell as many season tickets as they can. Nothing else makes much sense at present. This is definitely not the time for an inquest. However, he did need to decide who was up for the fight and who was just picking up a pay check. Full credit must go to Shaqiri who has busted his balls in every game since Lambert joined. Unfortunately this really exposed the inadequacies of most of the players around him.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 7, 2018 12:50:32 GMT
Like a really shit "I have a dream"! 😁 Don’t forget the next line in that great speech: “I may not get there with you”. Nuff said. Err...don't think so.
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