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Post by Gods on Apr 4, 2018 10:36:02 GMT
I thought Lambert's #1 and only task in the small number of matches he had to save us would be to get everyone, for all their foibles, pulling in the same direction for 3 short months.
It represented our only chance. The inquests and recriminations could wait for the summer.
I won't go through all the names because it's been done 100 times on here in the last 3 weeks but we have dissension, media talk of defection, apparent nepotism, and players talked up then simply dumped. That's just what we know about, you think to yourself there must be other players quietly grizzling away in the background. And then you wonder does anyone truly respect him and what he is trying to do at all ? I mean I know each week some poor lad gets plonked in front of the Stoke City iPlayer camera to offer some message of unity and hope but you are not quite convinced.
We needed a unity candidate as manager at least short term but instead we have a divide and conquer man and candidly its not working.
We are going to have to call it a draw with Lambert, the only question is if that should be now or at the start of the summer recess.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 4, 2018 10:38:56 GMT
I thought Lambert's #1 and only task in the small number of matches he had to save us would be to get everyone, for all their foibles, pulling in the same direction for 3 short months. It represented our only chance. The inquests and recriminations could wait for the summer. I won't go through all the names because it's been done 100 times on here in the last 3 weeks but we have dissension, media talk of defection, apparent nepotism, and players talked up then simply dumped. That's just what we know about, you think to yourself there must be other players quietly grizzling away in the background. And then you wonder does anyone truly respect him and what he is trying to do at all ? I mean I know each week some poor lad gets plonked in front of the Stoke City iPlayer camera to offer some message of unity and hope but you are not quite convinced. We needed a unity candidate as manager at least short term but instead we have a divide and conquer man and candidly its not working. We are going to have to call it a draw with Lambert, the only question is if that should be now or at the start of the summer recess. Generally believe all but a couple of members of the squad are quite happy to go through the motions and don't give a shit what happens between now and the end of the season. They'll still be on big money, a couple will go to top level clubs etc. Lambert's not the man at all for me, he inspires nothing in either his playing style or his attitude. I don't blame him for much this season though, there was very little he could do with this mainly toxic brew of players. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 4, 2018 10:39:13 GMT
I personally think he knows hes here relegation or not. So he's starting to clear up the deadwood and fancy dans ready for next years championship season. If this wasn't the case and wanted all the lads fully behind him he wouldn't of pissed off and argued with half the team.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 4, 2018 10:40:05 GMT
Players had it too easy under Hughes, they're just pissed off they've got to show some discipline and do some work now.
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2018 10:42:01 GMT
The ones on the pitch,every game,all of them for me have shown full commitment.
Quality,tactics e.t.c issues but the fight is there for sure.
Seen other relegations where players have clearly given up.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 4, 2018 10:45:48 GMT
The ones on the pitch,every game,all of them for me have shown full commitment. Quality,tactics e.t.c issues but the fight is there for sure. Seen other relegations where players have clearly given up. Exactly. He's getting to know who actually gives a fuck and if they don't won't be playing. It's exactly what he should be doing because we don't want the players who don't give a fuck next season in the championship. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 4, 2018 10:46:30 GMT
I think they are.
The lads have been fully committed on the pitch.
Effort isn't the issue. We're just bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 10:56:52 GMT
The players were probably as underwhelmed with the appointment as most supporters.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 4, 2018 10:57:52 GMT
Apart from the likes of Jese and Berahino who for whatever reason are how they are I'd say the rest are putting a lot more effort in than under Hughes , we are also better organised but we just dopnt have the quality to hurt teams
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Post by thegift on Apr 4, 2018 10:58:04 GMT
The players were probably as underwhelmed with the appointment as most supporters. Hows that relevant? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 11:06:20 GMT
The players were probably as underwhelmed with the appointment as most supporters. Hows that relevant? It was an appointment that showed a total lack of ambition, and would have confirmed to the players the direction that the club was heading. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 4, 2018 11:29:00 GMT
Players had it too easy under Hughes, they're just pissed off they've got to show some discipline and do some work now. That's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 4, 2018 11:32:57 GMT
The ones on the pitch,every game,all of them for me have shown full commitment. Quality,tactics e.t.c issues but the fight is there for sure. Seen other relegations where players have clearly given up. Exactly. He's getting to know who actually gives a fuck and if they don't won't be playing. It's exactly what he should be doing because we don't want the players who don't give a fuck next season in the championship. Unfortunately, the ones who look like they give a shit(Shaq, Allen etc), are too good for the Championship and will probably leave anyway. |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 11:39:47 GMT
The ones on the pitch,every game,all of them for me have shown full commitment. Quality,tactics e.t.c issues but the fight is there for sure. Seen other relegations where players have clearly given up. Exactly. He's getting to know who actually gives a fuck and if they don't won't be playing. It's exactly what he should be doing because we don't want the players who don't give a fuck next season in the championship. And it’s the right thing to do so that he can build on what he knows he can work with for next seasons Premiership campaign. Altogether now..... We are staying up! |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 11:40:39 GMT
Exactly. He's getting to know who actually gives a fuck and if they don't won't be playing. It's exactly what he should be doing because we don't want the players who don't give a fuck next season in the championship. Unfortunately, the ones who look like they give a shit(Shaq, Allen etc), are too good for the Championship and will probably leave anyway. Why would they leave a club entering their 11th season in the Premiership? |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
Players had it too easy under Hughes, they're just pissed off they've got to show some discipline and do some work now. That's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. Because......? |
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Post by thegift on Apr 4, 2018 11:44:35 GMT
Players had it too easy under Hughes, they're just pissed off they've got to show some discipline and do some work now. That's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. Get real. He's absolutely spot on. |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 11:44:45 GMT
Apart from the likes of Jese and Berahino who for whatever reason are how they are I'd say the rest are putting a lot more effort in than under Hughes , we are also better organised but we just dopnt have the quality to hurt teams Agree, but I do believe even the most toothless teams will score occasionally, and if we scrape two 1-0 wins and stay up, it’ll be job done for me. Of course next season nothing less than a top ten finish in the Premiership will do! Altogether now.... We are staying up! |
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Post by Davef on Apr 4, 2018 11:52:57 GMT
That's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. Because......? Do you really think professional footballers who've got t o Premier League level have done so by arsing their way through their careers? People are losing their minds here. None of that squad want a relegation on their CV and will be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
The quality of the players we've got is another question entirely, but to suggest they want to be part of some kind of holiday camp is ridiculous. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 4, 2018 11:53:39 GMT
Lambert and most of the squad fit like a glove.
Shit manager,shit players.
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 4, 2018 11:58:49 GMT
Probably not,but you have to remember that no-one with any sort of decent managerial record would touch us with a barge pole with the position that our board had let arise. It was all left far too long to be a decent proposition to attract quality!
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Post by canadianmoose on Apr 4, 2018 12:06:06 GMT
Do you really think professional footballers who've got t o Premier League level have done so by arsing their way through their careers? People are losing their minds here. None of that squad want a relegation on their CV and will be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
The quality of the players we've got is another question entirely, but to suggest they want to be part of some kind of holiday camp is ridiculous.The proof is in the pudding. 60 minutes and they were blowing out of their arses with Hughes in charge. Now at least it seems they look capable of going for 90 or close to. It was also quoted that Hughes “let the players police themselves”. In summary, there is enough evidence to suggest a lack of discipline and lack of fitness has cost us dear. Hughes rode his luck by sprinkling a touch of fairy dust on what was essentially a tony Pulis dressing room and character mentatility. Once that was gone, Hughes was gone too. Now, nobody is suggestin that Pulis is the answer but there has to be a balance. I think Lambert is just addressing that balance. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 4, 2018 12:07:29 GMT
Do you really think professional footballers who've got t o Premier League level have done so by arsing their way through their careers? People are losing their minds here. None of that squad want a relegation on their CV and will be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
The quality of the players we've got is another question entirely, but to suggest they want to be part of some kind of holiday camp is ridiculous.So you're saying the players weren't unfit under Hughes then? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 4, 2018 12:08:07 GMT
I thought Lambert's #1 and only task in the small number of matches he had to save us would be to get everyone, for all their foibles, pulling in the same direction for 3 short months. It represented our only chance. The inquests and recriminations could wait for the summer. I won't go through all the names because it's been done 100 times on here in the last 3 weeks but we have dissension, media talk of defection, apparent nepotism, and players talked up then simply dumped. That's just what we know about, you think to yourself there must be other players quietly grizzling away in the background. And then you wonder does anyone truly respect him and what he is trying to do at all ? I mean I know each week some poor lad gets plonked in front of the Stoke City iPlayer camera to offer some message of unity and hope but you are not quite convinced. We needed a unity candidate as manager at least short term but instead we have a divide and conquer man and candidly its not working. We are going to have to call it a draw with Lambert, the only question is if that should be now or at the start of the summer recess.
Away at Arsenal on Sunday, I saw a team (well at least for the first 70 mins) press harder, move into space for their colleagues more often and generally looked more determined than any Stoke team I've seen down there, since we were promoted.
The players look like they're playing for the manager and each other to me.
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Post by Davef on Apr 4, 2018 12:15:31 GMT
Do you really think professional footballers who've got t o Premier League level have done so by arsing their way through their careers? People are losing their minds here. None of that squad want a relegation on their CV and will be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
The quality of the players we've got is another question entirely, but to suggest they want to be part of some kind of holiday camp is ridiculous.So you're saying the players weren't unfit under Hughes then? No, I'm saying they're not pissed off because Lambert has got them working harder. |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 4, 2018 12:16:03 GMT
Players had it too easy under Hughes, they're just pissed off they've got to show some discipline and do some work now. That's bollocks. Absolute bollocks. I certainly don't claim to be in the know but having spoken to someone on the staff it does seem there is a much tougher training and fitness regime. Whether that has turned some off I couldn't say. However given the short amount of time he has to save us I can see how he would jetison anyone who clearly wasn't engaged, i.e Affelay, and focus on those who had at least got the stomach for the fight. It does look grim but it ainst over till it is over and as pointed out elsewhere West Brom are gone already and while we look at great risk so do Southampton and Huddersfield and we can't all go down. |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2018 12:22:16 GMT
Do you really think professional footballers who've got t o Premier League level have done so by arsing their way through their careers? People are losing their minds here. None of that squad want a relegation on their CV and will be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen.
The quality of the players we've got is another question entirely, but to suggest they want to be part of some kind of holiday camp is ridiculous.I agree with you that they didn’t get here by swanning around, but now they are, some seem to just be dazzled by fame and fortune (eg. Balotelli?), while others may not want a relegation, but have either given up or have been pissed off by something and are throwing a strop. I genuinely don’t see full commitment from the likes of Berahino or Choupo on the field, and antics like Pieters’ recent display or Shaqiri’s interview do not inspire great faith in their commitment to the cause. But just like you said, they are all professionals, just like the management team and I trust they know what they’re doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:45:43 GMT
The players were probably as underwhelmed with the appointment as most supporters. Hows that relevant? Because you need inspiration from a manager and he should comand respect PL fails on both counts. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 4, 2018 13:13:37 GMT
Respectfully to the folks who are saying the effort level has been high I'm not denying that but that wasn't my point.
He needed to get everyone lined up behind what we are trying to do and get a tune out of some of our supposedly talented players like Jese and Affelay and dare I say it Berahino where the previous manager couldn't.
But instead we no longer even exist as an attacking force.
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Post by Gods on Apr 4, 2018 13:15:14 GMT
Because you need inspiration from a manager and he should comand respect PL fails on both counts. Yes, that's the point, 'inspiration and respect', that was the task before him. The key is influence, not authority. |
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