wapiti
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Post by wapiti on Apr 3, 2018 0:27:54 GMT
Realistically, Stoke (#19 on 27 pts) has to switch places with one of the following teams to stay up: Swansea (#15 on 31 pts).....Huddersfield (#16 on 31 pts).....Crystal Palace (#17 on 30 pts).
#14 and above, forget about it....they're staying up and can't be caught. #20, West Brom is gone, so, no need to consider.
Swansea.....possible 9 pts = 40......(possible wins.....SOU, WBA, STK).....STAYING UP
Huddersfield.....possible O points = 31......RELEGATED.
Crystal Palace.....possible 6 pts = 36.....(possible wins.....STK, WBA).....STAYING UP
Southampton.....possible 3 pts = 31.....(possible wins.....SWAN).....RELEGATED
Stoke.....possible 6 pts = 33.....(possible wins.....CP, SWAN)
In order for Stoke to survive, Southampton must remain in the bottom 3 and Huddersfield must find it's way into the bottom 3. Stoke must beat CP and SWAN (CP will remain above Stoke on GD). I'm nervous.
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Post by Gods on Apr 3, 2018 6:59:42 GMT
I'm not quite getting this but I'm not sure where to start.
*We have to swap places with 2 of two of those teams not "one" to stay up, we are currently 19th.
*You seem to have eliminated "possible draws" altogether from your estimates I'm not sure why they will play a big part in the run in.
*I'm not sure how you arrive at your 'possible wins' for example Palace's final 6 games couldn't be easier if they chose them themselves yet you only give them 2 possible wins.
I think your conclusion that you are 'nervous' is the right one though, I'm past the nervous point, out the other side and fully tuned in for the Championship!
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Post by samba :) on Apr 3, 2018 7:12:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 8:08:23 GMT
We're gone - no ifs, buts or maybes.
(Really hope I'm wrong though !)
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Post by samba :) on Apr 3, 2018 8:24:26 GMT
We're gone - no ifs, buts or maybes. (Really hope I'm wrong though !) well there definitely are if buts and maybes |
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Post by enuntio on Apr 3, 2018 8:50:00 GMT
I'm not quite getting this but I'm not sure where to start. *We have to swap places with 2 of two of those teams not "one" to stay up, we are currently 19th. *You seem to have eliminated "possible draws" altogether from your estimates I'm not sure why they will play a big part in the run in. *I'm not sure how you arrive at your 'possible wins' for example Palace's final 6 games couldn't be easier if they chose them themselves yet you only give them 2 possible wins. I think your conclusion that you are 'nervous' is the right one though, I'm past the nervous point, out the other side and fully tuned in for the Championship! Not quite Gods, we need to swap places with just one team that is currently not in the bottom 3 I'm thinking we will need a minimum of 7 points just to have a glimmer of hope, which will be no easy feat. |
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Post by stokeykez on Apr 3, 2018 9:39:16 GMT
Keep feeling this is bad dream and how the fuck did we end up in this mess. I cannot wait for this season to end and I prey every day that stoke can pull ourselves out of this shitpit of a situation we find ourselves in.
A part of me wants this to happen to the board to hopefully shake a response of the club as if we survive I don't think a great deal would change regards penny pinching transfer windows. Once a club dallies with relegation it means they are there or thereabouts for the following seasons.
I pray we see Huddersfield and Southampton below us but we have to have no more bad luck, bad calls, team implosion, media articles from players and to bear Burnley, swans and palace and get a draw at West ham.
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Post by musik on Apr 3, 2018 11:05:21 GMT
Hellu!
Don't make it so hard for yourself. If we simply win the remaining games we'll be fine.
Unfortunately, I think we won't but do achieve a pretty good run of results at last: a draw and two wins.
Will it be enough? I doubt it.
🤡
screen, bear candy//:musik
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Post by spongebobflathead on Apr 3, 2018 11:23:37 GMT
I'm not quite getting this but I'm not sure where to start. *We have to swap places with 2 of two of those teams not "one" to stay up, we are currently 19th. *You seem to have eliminated "possible draws" altogether from your estimates I'm not sure why they will play a big part in the run in. *I'm not sure how you arrive at your 'possible wins' for example Palace's final 6 games couldn't be easier if they chose them themselves yet you only give them 2 possible wins. I think your conclusion that you are 'nervous' is the right one though, I'm past the nervous point, out the other side and fully tuned in for the Championship! Not quite Gods, we need to swap places with just one team that is currently not in the bottom 3 I'm thinking we will need a minimum of 7 points just to have a glimmer of hope, which will be no easy feat. Agreed , 7 points and we might just do it , play how we have been under lambert and a little luck I think we might get over the line ! |
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Post by greenstokie on Apr 3, 2018 11:24:10 GMT
We must beat Palace and Burnley at home and perhaps another point somewhere else to take to the last game against Swansea, who will likely be safe by then. I'd like to think we'll get whatever's needed to stay up if we're still in with a shout going into this last game.
Our fate equally depends on Southampton and Huddersfield continuing their respective wretched forms too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 12:13:55 GMT
Keep feeling this is bad dream and how the fuck did we end up in this mess. I cannot wait for this season to end and I prey every day that stoke can pull ourselves out of this shitpit of a situation we find ourselves in. A part of me wants this to happen to the board to hopefully shake a response of the club as if we survive I don't think a great deal would change regards penny pinching transfer windows. Once a club dallies with relegation it means they are there or thereabouts for the following seasons. I pray we see Huddersfield and Southampton below us but we have to have no more bad luck, bad calls, team implosion, media articles from players and to bear Burnley, swans and palace and get a draw at West ham. One poor season and one terrible season sees us here I'd be happy for the board to stay IF they put their hands up with their mistakes and learn from them. A new board doesn't guarantee success as sacking LMH and bringing in Lamberto seems to prove as of yet |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 3, 2018 12:25:57 GMT
There have been teams that have escaped from similar positions but they'd typically shown at least some sort of competence in some area of the game.
We've got nothing. Not even a vague semblance of actually giving a fuck.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2018 12:29:07 GMT
Realistically, Stoke (#19 on 27 pts) has to switch places with one of the following teams to stay up: Swansea (#15 on 31 pts).....Huddersfield (#16 on 31 pts).....Crystal Palace (#17 on 30 pts). #14 and above, forget about it....they're staying up and can't be caught. #20, West Brom is gone, so, no need to consider. Swansea.....possible 9 pts = 40......(possible wins.....SOU, WBA, STK).....STAYING UP Huddersfield.....possible O points = 31......RELEGATED. Crystal Palace.....possible 6 pts = 36.....(possible wins.....STK, WBA).....STAYING UP Southampton.....possible 3 pts = 31.....(possible wins.....SWAN).....RELEGATED Stoke.....possible 6 pts = 33.....(possible wins.....CP, SWAN) In order for Stoke to survive, Southampton must remain in the bottom 3 and Huddersfield must find it's way into the bottom 3. Stoke must beat CP and SWAN (CP will remain above Stoke on GD). I'm nervous. See thread Light At The End Of The Tunnel. I said the exact same thing and got lambasted for being deluded. Truth is, unless some freakish results occur, if Huddersfield get through their next 2 games with absolutely no more than 2 points, we have an excellent chance of staying up if we can find 2 wins. I don’t care who they are and in some ways would prefer wins over West Ham and Burnley. |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2018 12:30:01 GMT
There have been teams that have escaped from similar positions but they'd typically shown at least some sort of competence in some area of the game. We've got nothing. Not even a vague semblance of actually giving a fuck. You don’t think the team tried against Arsenal for 75 minutes? |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2018 12:31:58 GMT
We're gone - no ifs, buts or maybes. (Really hope I'm wrong though !) Perhaps you should change your. username to Championship DeesideStokie? |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2018 12:33:23 GMT
Keep feeling this is bad dream and how the fuck did we end up in this mess. I cannot wait for this season to end and I prey every day that stoke can pull ourselves out of this shitpit of a situation we find ourselves in. A part of me wants this to happen to the board to hopefully shake a response of the club as if we survive I don't think a great deal would change regards penny pinching transfer windows. Once a club dallies with relegation it means they are there or thereabouts for the following seasons. I pray we see Huddersfield and Southampton below us but we have to have no more bad luck, bad calls, team implosion, media articles from players and to bear Burnley, swans and palace and get a draw at West ham. Like Leicester were there or thereabouts? |
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2018 12:35:38 GMT
Hellu! Don't make it so hard for yourself. If we simply win the remaining games we'll be fine. Unfortunately, I think we won't but do achieve a pretty good run of results at last: a draw and two wins. Will it be enough? I doubt it. 🤡 screen, bear candy//:musik 7 points will almost certainly keep us up. Neither Southampton or Huddersfield will get much from their remaining games. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 3, 2018 13:12:38 GMT
There have been teams that have escaped from similar positions but they'd typically shown at least some sort of competence in some area of the game. We've got nothing. Not even a vague semblance of actually giving a fuck. You don’t think the team tried against Arsenal for 75 minutes? They did the bare minimum that would be the very least amount of effort acceptable for any other PL team. For 75 minutes. Out of 90. In what was frankly an anomalously high amount of effort for this bunch So no, I don't think they give anywhere near enough of a fuck. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 3, 2018 13:41:29 GMT
If we stay up, it'll be a miracle.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 3, 2018 13:53:05 GMT
Hellu! Don't make it so hard for yourself. If we simply win the remaining games we'll be fine. Unfortunately, I think we won't but do achieve a pretty good run of results at last: a draw and two wins. Will it be enough? I doubt it. 🤡 screen, bear candy//:musik 7 points will almost certainly keep us up. Neither Southampton or Huddersfield will get much from their remaining games. Assuming we can get 7 points - which to be honest I doubt - 34 points has only been enough to stay up in 5 PL seasons ever. In the Leicester miracle season (mark 1) you refer to above, at this stage of the season there were still six teams on fewer than 30 points (to this year's three), and 36 was still necessary to stay up in the end. Plus we have the worst goal difference. 7 points will not "almost certainly" keep us up. I appreciate you want to be positive and everything but you're entering fantasy territory... edit - although I did just notice the word "fantasy" is in the thread title so I suppose it's fair enough on this one  |
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Post by marwood on Apr 3, 2018 14:06:55 GMT
points tally counts for nothing unless we start to win games
other teams results count for nothing unless we start to win games
Maths equation not needed
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 3, 2018 14:33:08 GMT
Huddersfield have won 2 out of their last 14 League games, and one of those was at the West Brom Benevolent Society.
Southampton have won 1 of their last 18. Again, that was against the Baggies.
Both clubs have got some very difficult fixtures left.
If we can get 7 or 8 points from our last six games it could be enough.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 3, 2018 15:22:12 GMT
We need at least 10 more points to stay up which means we'll have to take 10 points from West Ham (a), Burnley (h), Palace (h) and Swansea (a). Is this possible? On paper yes, but in real life.....not a chance in hell!  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 3, 2018 15:24:49 GMT
Three wins in six games, when we've only won six all season?
No chance, I'm sorry to say. We've squandered far too many "last chances".
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Post by adamsson on Apr 3, 2018 15:32:20 GMT
We won't need 10 points 6 would be plenty
But I can't see us getting 1 point
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 3, 2018 16:00:12 GMT
I genuinely cannot see us scoring again this season.
This saddens and enrages me in equal measure.
What a fucking shitshow this festering, pus-filled anal fissure of a season has been.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 3, 2018 17:50:28 GMT
Are these potential results actually THAT daft?
Arsenal v Southampton (Home win)
Brighton v Huddersfield (Home win)
Stoke v Spurs (Away win)
Huddersfield v Watford (Draw)
Southampton v Chelsea (Away win)
West Ham v Stoke (Home win)
Chelsea v Huddersfield (Home win)
Leicester v Southampton (Home win)
Stoke v Burnley (Home win)
Huddersfield v Everton (Draw)
Liverpool v Stoke (Home win)
Southampton v Bournemouth (Home win)
Everton v Southampton (Home win)
Man City v Huddersfield (Home win)
Stoke v C. Palace (Home win)
Huddersfield v Arsenal (Away win)
Southampton v Man City (Away win)
Swansea v Stoke (Draw)
Final table:
Stoke 34
Huddersfield 33
Southampton 31
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:54:51 GMT
Are these potential results actually THAT daft? Arsenal v Southampton (Home win) Brighton v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v Spurs (Away win) Huddersfield v Watford (Draw) Southampton v Chelsea (Away win) West Ham v Stoke (Home win) Chelsea v Huddersfield (Home win) Leicester v Southampton (Home win) Stoke v Burnley (Home win) Huddersfield v Everton (Draw) Liverpool v Stoke (Home win) Southampton v Bournemouth (Home win) Everton v Southampton (Home win) Man City v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v C. Palace (Home win) Huddersfield v Arsenal (Away win) Southampton v Man City (Away win) Swansea v Stoke (Draw) Final table: Stoke 34 Huddersfield 33 Southampton 31 Paul I'd rip your arm off for that. Now for the hard part. Two wins and a draw... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 3, 2018 18:01:13 GMT
Are these potential results actually THAT daft? Arsenal v Southampton (Home win) Brighton v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v Spurs (Away win) Huddersfield v Watford (Draw) Southampton v Chelsea (Away win) West Ham v Stoke (Home win) Chelsea v Huddersfield (Home win) Leicester v Southampton (Home win) Stoke v Burnley (Home win) Huddersfield v Everton (Draw) Liverpool v Stoke (Home win) Southampton v Bournemouth (Home win) Everton v Southampton (Home win) Man City v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v C. Palace (Home win) Huddersfield v Arsenal (Away win) Southampton v Man City (Away win) Swansea v Stoke (Draw) Final table: Stoke 34 Huddersfield 33 Southampton 31 Paul I'd rip your arm off for that. Now for the hard part. Two wins and a draw... When you look at just how ridiculously tough the run ins are for both Southampton and Huddersfield, then two wins and a draw could actually be enough to save us. It's going to be the absolute bare minimum that we'll need but a shock result somewhere along the road could see us needing more of course. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 3, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
Are these potential results actually THAT daft? Arsenal v Southampton (Home win) Brighton v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v Spurs (Away win) Huddersfield v Watford (Draw) Southampton v Chelsea (Away win) West Ham v Stoke (Home win) Chelsea v Huddersfield (Home win) Leicester v Southampton (Home win) Stoke v Burnley (Home win) Huddersfield v Everton (Draw) Liverpool v Stoke (Home win) Southampton v Bournemouth (Home win) Everton v Southampton (Home win) Man City v Huddersfield (Home win) Stoke v C. Palace (Home win) Huddersfield v Arsenal (Away win) Southampton v Man City (Away win) Swansea v Stoke (Draw) Final table: Stoke 34 Huddersfield 33 Southampton 31 Get some odds on an acca for all those results Paul, you’ll see how daft they are then  |
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