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Post by jarvinski on Apr 1, 2018 12:34:10 GMT
Failing to remove Hughes at the end of last season, shocking fitness levels, disgraceful wasting of money on awful signings, terrible leadership from Coates down through Scholes and Cartwright, and lastly disgusting designs for home and away shirts. Time to go for a loadof prominent people and players
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 1, 2018 12:45:59 GMT
Our demise can be put down to 3 things Injuries ,injuries, injuries !!
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Post by thevoid on Apr 1, 2018 12:52:11 GMT
Peter Coates runs the show.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 1, 2018 13:24:54 GMT
Yawn!
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 1, 2018 13:32:16 GMT
We've had decent players since the slide started , piss poor organisation, tactics and fitness . Failing to instil the work / team ethic as we had under pulls with players who were arguably less gifted
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 1, 2018 13:34:32 GMT
Spot on
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 1, 2018 14:42:33 GMT
Our demise can be put down to 3 things Injuries ,injuries, injuries !! I sincerely hope this is a tongue in cheek comment, if not, it's absolute horseshit. Incompetence, not injuries, is what has cost us. Incompetence from the very top downwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 14:49:39 GMT
Removing the guile and technical skill from the team and replacing it with average players who apparently run around a bit.
Trying to park the bus in game but not doing any defensive work on the training pitch.
Not sacking Hughes in July.
Not sacking Hughes in December.
Not signing a striker in January.
Not playing a striker earlier in the season.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 1, 2018 14:52:43 GMT
Incompetence at the very top has put us were we are now if Coates had made the right decisions at the right time when everybody else could see the problems we would have been ok. I don,t think they need spelling out either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 14:54:47 GMT
Only one factor....Self bloody sufficiency....end of.
Next time just be honest Peter and say I don't want to spend any more money. At least you'll get credit for being honest.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 1, 2018 14:55:48 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec.
After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble.
What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window.
What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 1, 2018 14:59:50 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. In fairness to lambert it was a poisonous chalice whoever took over , lambert would have kept us up if he'd been appointed earlier and signed a striker , the signings we made in Jan were pretty good imo |
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Post by chonburipotter on Apr 1, 2018 14:59:54 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. Hughes should have been dismissed May 2016 |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Apr 1, 2018 15:02:28 GMT
Having a load of yes men answering to Coates is the problem. Trying to run the club as a normal business never works.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 1, 2018 15:05:25 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. In fairness to lambert it was a poisonous chalice whoever took over , lambert would have kept us up if he'd been appointed earlier and signed a striker , the signings we made in Jan were pretty good imo The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. Hughes should have been dismissed May 2016 Yep I agree with both. I don't have any malice towards Lambert. He's shit and not good enough to take us forward but he could have drawn our way out of it with an extra two months and a window. But it shouldn't have got to that point anyway, because Hughes should have been axed long before then (when I said Nov was the layest, I meant it was the latest. Even then was cutting it painfully close) and an actual Premier League quality manager (not Lambert) should have been apointed. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Apr 1, 2018 15:05:28 GMT
Complacency and arrogance. We deserve to be relegated and let some other team have a go. Re-earn the right to be promoted (whenever that may be) and then remember how you got there.
...well, that and 300 million shekels.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 1, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. I agree with your first line. My support for Hughes wavered when we failed to beat Brighton and Palace, and stopped when we lost to West Ham. He should have gone before the January window. I don't agree though that we should have kept him as there was no evidence he would have changed anything. At least we did get a few useful players in January and Lambert has organised the defence. We know 3-0 does not reflect today's performance and as with other matches since Lambert arrived the match was lost on an incident and we could be in a different place this evening if Shaq's corner had gone in. We were beaten by a "homer" ref. whole knows not to upset the football establishment and risk damaging his career. We kept Arsenal quiet for 75 mins with very few chances and we had plenty of chances that came to nothing. Arsenal did not know where to pass to at times; Lambert has dramatically improved our defending, which Hughes is not capable of doing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2018 15:09:46 GMT
Fan apathy.
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Post by chonburipotter on Apr 1, 2018 15:18:41 GMT
The latest they should have sacked Hughes was late Nov / early Dec. After that, they should have stuck by him and given him some cash to try and buy his way out of trouble. What they absolutely should not have done was to sack Hughes in the middle of the window, thereby wasting said window. What they doubly shouldn't have done was sitting on their arses and not lining up a guaranteed replacement to take over the reigns the second they fucked off Hughes. I agree with your first line. My support for Hughes wavered when we failed to beat Brighton and Palace, and stopped when we lost to West Ham. He should have gone before the January window. I don't agree though that we should have kept him as there was no evidence he would have changed anything. At least we did get a few useful players in January and Lambert has organised the defence. We know 3-0 does not reflect today's performance and as with other matches since Lambert arrived the match was lost on an incident and we could be in a different place this evening if Shaq's corner had gone in. We were beaten by a "homer" ref. whole knows not to upset the football establishment and risk damaging his career. We kept Arsenal quiet for 75 mins with very few chances and we had plenty of chances that came to nothing. Arsenal did not know where to pass to at times; Lambert has dramatically improved our defending, which Hughes is not capable of doing. May 2016 is when he should have gone. Amazingly his appointment at Soton gives us a glimmer of hope |
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Post by Linx on Apr 1, 2018 16:30:47 GMT
In the longer term, our decline can be traced back to losing Nzonzi and not replacing him.
In the shorter term, losing Arnie and not properly replacing him has deprived us of an important creative element and source of goals.
Then it was our atrocious defending in the first half of the season. That GD will still kick us in the teeth when it comes down to it.
Now it is our atrocious attacking in the second half of the season. Where on earth are the goals going to come from to win any games we have left?
TBH I will embrace the challenge of the Championship more than limping our way through another season in the Prem. Rebuild and get our identity back.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 1, 2018 16:43:08 GMT
It all started exactly 2 years ago when Butland got injured and Haugard started shipping 4 goals a game.
It also coincided with me moving from Crewe to Stoke.
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Post by Northy on Apr 1, 2018 16:52:41 GMT
we've had thread after thread on this for months, do we really have to have another ?
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 1, 2018 16:56:53 GMT
Failing to remove Hughes at the end of last season, shocking fitness levels, disgraceful wasting of money on awful signings, terrible leadership from Coates down through Scholes and Cartwright, and lastly disgusting designs for home and away shirts. Time to go for a loadof prominent people and players Disgusting shirts lol thats cheered me up lol |
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Post by callas12 on Apr 1, 2018 17:07:50 GMT
Failing to remove Hughes at the end of last season, shocking fitness levels, disgraceful wasting of money on awful signings, terrible leadership from Coates down through Scholes and Cartwright, and lastly disgusting designs for home and away shirts. Time to go for a loadof prominent people and players Disgusting shirts lol thats cheered me up lol 'Macron' - Bolton & Villa had them as kit manufacturers & both struggled & got relegated as a consequence. Now Stoke & Palace have them, both struggling & potentially on verge of relegation! Haven't a great record in English footy - Macron.. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 1, 2018 17:15:42 GMT
Mark fucking Hughes
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Post by ursemboys on Apr 1, 2018 17:18:18 GMT
Disgusting shirts lol thats cheered me up lol 'Macron' - Bolton & Villa had them as kit manufacturers & both struggled & got relegated as a consequence. Now Stoke & Palace have them, both struggling & potentially on verge of relegation! Haven't a great record in English footy - Macron.. suppose its like the gypsy curse at Birmingham lol,we are doomed |
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 1, 2018 18:27:08 GMT
complacence
arrogance
incompetence
indifference
from the top down to the playing staff
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