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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:17:31 GMT
i'm not accepting relegation as I think it will go down to the wire, but if the worst were to happen, we will enjoy a massive windfall. Player sales (Shaqiri £25m, Allen £25m, Butland £40m, Ramadan £15m, & others c£20m) will generate £125m plus massive wages reduction and return of Zouma. Parachute payments were £35m last year, will be more thus time round. I hate the thought of relegation, but for goodness sake, even allowing for salaries we should be able to spend around £100m (more than we have ever spent in the Prem). Surely we should be stronger than anyone in the Championship.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2018 16:19:02 GMT
Ah they can make their money back. They'll love that.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 16:20:02 GMT
Ramadan 15m more like 150k |
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 16:20:28 GMT
No. We have the likes of Charlie adam, Wimmer, Fletcher, crouch, berahino, imbula and more on our books that on paper are worth nearly £100M in wages and transfer fee but are actually worth zilch that will linger around like a bad smell.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:21:31 GMT
I guess that's a possibility, my option is still attractive - they don't need to invest a penny and yet could be back in the Prem within 12 months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 16:21:48 GMT
First of all you need to accept relegation.
We are down and it won't go the wire ad far as we're concerned.
Secondly, what makes you confident that our owners are going to spend more money in the championship than they ever did in the premier league?
I'm not one of those who believes that we will fall down the leagues and end up in the wilderness for another 20 odd years but there isn't a cat in hells chance that the Coates family will be splashing the cash around when the inevitable happens.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 20, 2018 16:22:34 GMT
Dream on.
We'll be asset stripped and sell under value.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 16:22:53 GMT
I guess that's a possibility, my option is still attractive - they don't need to invest a penny and yet could be back in the Prem within 12 months. Absolutely not, we will be lucky to stay in the championship at this rate |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:23:36 GMT
No. We have the likes of Charlie adam, Wimmer, Fletcher, crouch, berahino, imbula and more on our books that on paper are worth nearly £100M in wages and transfer fee but are actually worth zilch that will linger around like a bad smell. I have ignored all other income through the club, the maths suggest I am correct and yes that's even carrying some bags of coal on our backs. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 20, 2018 16:24:36 GMT
i'm not accepting relegation as I think it will go down to the wire, but if the worst were to happen, we will enjoy a massive windfall. Player sales (Shaqiri £25m, Allen £25m, Butland £40m, Ramadan £15m, & others c£20m) will generate £125m plus massive wages reduction and return of Zouma. Parachute payments were £35m last year, will be more thus time round. I hate the thought of relegation, but for goodness sake, even allowing for salaries we should be able to spend around £100m (more than we have ever spent in the Prem). Surely we should be stronger than anyone in the Championship. Name me one club who's been relegated from the Premier League and spent £100M in the Championship and I'll wire you the same amount of money from my Nigerian bank account. Jesus wept. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:29:15 GMT
i'm not accepting relegation as I think it will go down to the wire, but if the worst were to happen, we will enjoy a massive windfall. Player sales (Shaqiri £25m, Allen £25m, Butland £40m, Ramadan £15m, & others c£20m) will generate £125m plus massive wages reduction and return of Zouma. Parachute payments were £35m last year, will be more thus time round. I hate the thought of relegation, but for goodness sake, even allowing for salaries we should be able to spend around £100m (more than we have ever spent in the Prem). Surely we should be stronger than anyone in the Championship. Name me one club who's been relegated from the Premier League and spent £100M in the Championship and I'll wire you the same amount of money from my Nigerian bank account. Jesus wept. Wolves are a good example, not £100m, but well over £40m and they'll be back next season, so even if they spend half what's available after covering all other costs, it will be enough to transform the club - but I still don't accept relegation, 2 wins (home to Burnley & Palace) and draw at WHU will mean a final day showdown at already safe Swansea. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 20, 2018 16:29:31 GMT
We wont get £40m for Butland, nowhere near it.
He's not been that good this season, and we're shite at selling players, £25m-£30m absolute tops.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2018 16:31:03 GMT
No. We have the likes of Charlie adam, Wimmer, Fletcher, crouch, berahino, imbula and more on our books that on paper are worth nearly £100M in wages and transfer fee but are actually worth zilch that will linger around like a bad smell. Yes, that is the problem in a nutshell. Without the full Premier League money to finance the wages of our players who are on PL contracts but who are not up to PL standard, we'll end up spending most of any money from sales of our best players just to stay afloat on the parachute payments. UNLESS we have managed to put relegation clauses in some of our contracts - but, sadly, I doubt that we have. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:32:07 GMT
We wont get £40m for Butland, nowhere near it. He's not been that good this season, and we're shite at selling players. If Jack is seen as England No 1 (we will find out in these friendlies) and does well, my estimate is low at £40m. Pickford £30m means Jack commands a premium. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 20, 2018 16:32:50 GMT
No. We have the likes of Charlie adam, Wimmer, Fletcher, crouch, berahino, imbula and more on our books that on paper are worth nearly £100M in wages and transfer fee but are actually worth zilch that will linger around like a bad smell. And you know the inept eggheads at the top of the club won't have put any clauses in their contracts to reduce their wages should we be relegated. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2018 16:42:39 GMT
No. We have the likes of Charlie adam, Wimmer, Fletcher, crouch, berahino, imbula and more on our books that on paper are worth nearly £100M in wages and transfer fee but are actually worth zilch that will linger around like a bad smell. Yes, that is the problem in a nutshell. Without the full Premier League money to finance the wages of our players who are on PL contracts but who are not up to PL standard, we'll end up spending most of any money from sales of our best players just to stay afloat on the parachute payments. UNLESS we have managed to put relegation clauses in some of our contracts - but, sadly, I doubt that we have. Maths clearly not your strong point, at average £50k per week and with some relative short and some longer contracts (plus shared wages for Imbula) thus equates to less than £50m. Lots of money left to potentially invest. |
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Post by BuckRogers on Mar 20, 2018 16:44:02 GMT
I'm sure the free transfer's and loan signings are ready lined up for championship football. Back to the good old days😞
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 16:49:14 GMT
Crystal Palace 1993/94
Leicester City 1995/96
Bolton Wanderers 1996/97
Nottm Forest 1997/98
Middlebrough 1997/98
Charlton Athletic 1999/00
Man City 2001/02
Leicester City 2002/03
West Brom 2003/04
Birmingham City 2006/07
Sunderland 2006/07
Birmingham City 2008/09
Newcastle Utd 2009/10
West Brom 2009/10
West Ham 2011/12
QPR 2013/14
Norwich City 2014/15
Burnley 2015/16
Newcastle Utd 2016/17
In 25 seasons since the Premier League and it's riches began only 19 clubs have bounced back straight away which gives you a 1 in 4 chance of getting promoted. The biggest spenders were Newcastle last season who spent £56m but recouped £100+m on the likes of Sissoko.
The reality is we would recoup £70/£80m for the likes of Butland, Shaqiri and Allen, and spend millions subsidising the salaries of the likes of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Bojan etc when they invariably go out on loan or in extreme cases have their contracts paid off. All of which would probably leave us spending around the £30m mark which isn't much for 10+ players which we would need.
The key is the right manager, the right recruitment and a good start to stop the downward momentum you suffer after a relegation. Time will tell if we go down who that manager would be and whether we would have a right go at getting back or turn to youth and end up having to consolidate in mid-table. I can't see us doing a Hull or Sunderland as they are car crash clubs but all possibilities are on the cards I guess....
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2018 16:55:42 GMT
Yes, that is the problem in a nutshell. Without the full Premier League money to finance the wages of our players who are on PL contracts but who are not up to PL standard, we'll end up spending most of any money from sales of our best players just to stay afloat on the parachute payments. UNLESS we have managed to put relegation clauses in some of our contracts - but, sadly, I doubt that we have. Maths clearly not your strong point, at average £50k per week and with some relative short and some longer contracts (plus shared wages for Imbula) thus equates to less than £50m. Lots of money left to potentially invest. Here we go  Imbula Wimmer Berahino Total £50M in tranfer fee's alone. Wimmer - £70K Berahino - £80K Fletch- £55K Adam - £35K a week x 52 + 12480000 + more on the books A lot more than £50M. Much more. |
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Post by clivey05 on Mar 20, 2018 17:03:13 GMT
We will probably be the wealthiest club in the championship. It just depends weather our Chairman goes back to making good footballing decisions or they carry on like they have been for the last 12 months making pretty terrible terrible ones.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2018 17:20:05 GMT
Ramadan 15m more like 150k Leave the kid ALONE!  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2018 17:25:40 GMT
Crystal Palace 1993/94 Leicester City 1995/96 Bolton Wanderers 1996/97 Nottm Forest 1997/98 Middlebrough 1997/98 Charlton Athletic 1999/00 Man City 2001/02 Leicester City 2002/03 West Brom 2003/04 Birmingham City 2006/07 Sunderland 2006/07 Birmingham City 2008/09 Newcastle Utd 2009/10 West Brom 2009/10 West Ham 2011/12 QPR 2013/14 Norwich City 2014/15 Burnley 2015/16 Newcastle Utd 2016/17 In 25 seasons since the Premier League and it's riches began only 19 clubs have bounced back straight away which gives you a 1 in 4 chance of getting promoted. The biggest spenders were Newcastle last season who spent £56m but recouped £100+m on the likes of Sissoko. The reality is we would recoup £70/£80m for the likes of Butland, Shaqiri and Allen, and spend millions subsidising the salaries of the likes of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Bojan etc when they invariably go out on loan or in extreme cases have their contracts paid off. All of which would probably leave us spending around the £30m mark which isn't much for 10+ players which we would need. The key is the right manager, the right recruitment and a good start to stop the downward momentum you suffer after a relegation. Time will tell if we go down who that manager would be and whether we would have a right go at getting back or turn to youth and end up having to consolidate in mid-table. I can't see us doing a Hull or Sunderland as they are car crash clubs but all possibilities are on the cards I guess.... So Hughes, Cartwright and Scholes have effectively fucked our chances of coming straight back up with their recent wank signings? Ace. And two of them are still in work? Mint. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2018 17:27:33 GMT
Yes, that is the problem in a nutshell. Without the full Premier League money to finance the wages of our players who are on PL contracts but who are not up to PL standard, we'll end up spending most of any money from sales of our best players just to stay afloat on the parachute payments. UNLESS we have managed to put relegation clauses in some of our contracts - but, sadly, I doubt that we have. Maths clearly not your strong point, at average £50k per week and with some relative short and some longer contracts (plus shared wages for Imbula) thus equates to less than £50m. Lots of money left to potentially invest. That is £50 million (or more) per annum. So, no problem if all the contracts only had a year to run - but some of them go on for a few years yet. |
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Mar 20, 2018 17:28:37 GMT
£200m will go a long way and that doesn’t even include the £25m we’ll get from Spurs for Berahino !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 17:32:05 GMT
We are struggling to spend 20M net now with TV money.
People need to get their heads out of the clouds. Upon relegation, big name players will be sold and the younger players in and around the U23-s (N'Goy, Campbell, Verlinden, Souttar, Edwards, Sweeney) will be fast tracked through whether they are ready or not. They will be supplemented by older, experienced players on free transfers or loans.
We will spend 10-15M tops.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 20, 2018 17:38:43 GMT
Absolutely deluded OP.
I think it is far more likely the Coates family will sell the club and bet365 to the highest bidder, and go into another business that is less tacky than gambling.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2018 17:41:47 GMT
We are struggling to spend 20M net now with TV money. People need to get their heads out of the clouds. Upon relegation, big name players will be sold and the younger players in and around the U23-s (N'Goy, Campbell, Verlinden, Souttar, Edwards, Sweeney) will be fast tracked through whether they are ready or not. They will be supplemented by older, experienced players on free transfers or loans. We will spend 10-15M tops. I bet you are not far wrong. I'll be amazed if we make a big push to come up straight away. We couldn't even be arsed to try to avoid relegation. |
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 20, 2018 17:47:44 GMT
We are struggling to spend 20M net now with TV money. People need to get their heads out of the clouds. Upon relegation, big name players will be sold and the younger players in and around the U23-s (N'Goy, Campbell, Verlinden, Souttar, Edwards, Sweeney) will be fast tracked through whether they are ready or not. They will be supplemented by older, experienced players on free transfers or loans. We will spend 10-15M tops. I think that just about sums it up....the stark reality of life in the championship. The owners will also have in the back of their mind how much we spent in the promotion year under TP. However it's likely you would need to spend at least 50m to have a decent shout. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 20, 2018 17:48:21 GMT
There is no indication the coates family want out, or don't want the club to succeed.
The most likely outcome is a middle ground where we still feel strong enough to win promotion.
Butland shaqiri,allen, probably choupo sold. Bringing in 80 million odd quid.
They will hopefully offload imbula for cut price. Jese, and zouma are leaving.
They could then feasibly spend 25-30 million on a striker and couple of midfielders and we will still have a team more than good enough to get promotion
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 20, 2018 17:48:54 GMT
Crystal Palace 1993/94 Leicester City 1995/96 Bolton Wanderers 1996/97 Nottm Forest 1997/98 Middlebrough 1997/98 Charlton Athletic 1999/00 Man City 2001/02 Leicester City 2002/03 West Brom 2003/04 Birmingham City 2006/07 Sunderland 2006/07 Birmingham City 2008/09 Newcastle Utd 2009/10 West Brom 2009/10 West Ham 2011/12 QPR 2013/14 Norwich City 2014/15 Burnley 2015/16 Newcastle Utd 2016/17 In 25 seasons since the Premier League and it's riches began only 19 clubs have bounced back straight away which gives you a 1 in 4 chance of getting promoted. The biggest spenders were Newcastle last season who spent £56m but recouped £100+m on the likes of Sissoko. The reality is we would recoup £70/£80m for the likes of Butland, Shaqiri and Allen, and spend millions subsidising the salaries of the likes of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Bojan etc when they invariably go out on loan or in extreme cases have their contracts paid off. All of which would probably leave us spending around the £30m mark which isn't much for 10+ players which we would need. The key is the right manager, the right recruitment and a good start to stop the downward momentum you suffer after a relegation. Time will tell if we go down who that manager would be and whether we would have a right go at getting back or turn to youth and end up having to consolidate in mid-table. I can't see us doing a Hull or Sunderland as they are car crash clubs but all possibilities are on the cards I guess.... Pretty realistic, and likely to be fairly accurate, assessment. We will have to "cut our cloth" once relegated and will not suddenly turn into big spenders. Expect youth to be promoted (Ngoy, Verlinden, Tymon, Sweeney, Edwards, Campbell), a few solid Championship performers signed (in the 3m-7m range) and probably only 3 or 4 of this year's regulars still at the club. I can see Lambert being asked to stay, with an upper mid-table finish and a brief flirtation with the play-offs on the cards. We'll be Wolves, Derby, Norwich, Villa of the past few years, not Hull or Sunderland, but also almost certainly not Newcastle. |
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