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Post by thegift on Apr 6, 2018 10:29:08 GMT
Unless I'm missing something blindingly obvious there are only three ways to move the ball up the pitch to attack the opposition. Pass it, run with it, or knock it long to a target man and compete for the knock-downs. We're just not very good at the first two, but Crouch is ideal for the third. And he'd need a partner with Shaq behind them. Basic football, nobody likes it. But make the most of what you've got instead of trying to play a style that's beyond the players. I agree with this.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 6, 2018 11:08:03 GMT
He usually creates a chance as he did for Badu at Arsenal , clearly a limited option but needs players close to him once he is isolated he is no use really , maybe him and an other up front with Shaq just behind and something might happen
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Post by cbwhu on Apr 6, 2018 11:22:10 GMT
If you think Crouch is the answer then you are definitely missing the blindingly obvious ....he either plays in 442 or not at all ...otherwise see you in the championship 442 tends to get torn to shreds nowadays though
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Post by thegift on Apr 6, 2018 11:25:11 GMT
If you think Crouch is the answer then you are definitely missing the blindingly obvious ....he either plays in 442 or not at all ...otherwise see you in the championship Stoke tends to get torn to shreds nowadays though
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2018 11:40:58 GMT
If you think Crouch is the answer then you are definitely missing the blindingly obvious ....he either plays in 442 or not at all ...otherwise see you in the championship Who is the answer out of what we have left? Bob in Row 3? I was half decent when I was younger? If Paul keeps banishing the players, perhaps I've still got a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 12:22:33 GMT
It's all well and good saying hoof it and win the knock downs. But he's that slow that the defence pushes up to the half way line.
No point winning knock downs on the half way line. He's only good in the last 20 minutes when we're putting pressure on, and he can actually be near the opposition box.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 6, 2018 12:35:33 GMT
We have to play 2 up top and from what we have to select from Crouch must be one of them.
Can N'Goy be recalled? Is he anywhere near good enough?
For me I don't like it but with what we have got we have to knock the ball over their back four to keep pushing them back and eventually let us push up.
It therefore has to be Crouch and Diouf.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 6, 2018 12:46:57 GMT
10 years in and we're advocating hoofball in the top division. No surprise really, it's what the current manager wants and what half the fan base thinks is football.
We've played Crouch and hoofed it - 50/50 chance of him winning it and finding a willing runner. The other 50 percent sees him give a foul away or flick it on to nobody.
I don't know what the answer is but Peter Crouch is definitely not it.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 6, 2018 12:53:35 GMT
That this is even close to being our starting option right now (and it is!) is a sad indictment of the transfer policy of the past few years.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 6, 2018 12:58:18 GMT
The problem ages ago was with Pete on there was the obvious temptation to just lump the ball in his general direction. It stifled some of the positive qualities we had in the team. Also his flick ons were never actually that great. So now all these years on to be in a situation where he's still a big part of the first team set up, and he is still expected to do something he was never actually that good at is depressing.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 6, 2018 12:59:56 GMT
10 years in and we're advocating hoofball in the top division. No surprise really, it's what the current manager wants and what half the fan base thinks is football. We've played Crouch and hoofed it - 50/50 chance of him winning it and finding a willing runner. The other 50 percent sees him give a foul away or flick it on to nobody. I don't know what the answer is but Peter Crouch is definitely not it. With the squad we have that is just about all that we are left with it saddens me to say. We have no pace for anything else and the Club as a whole should hang its head in shame for the state that the squad as a whole has been allowed to degenerate into. It is impossible to think we can do any better when we have at least six senior players who give far less effort and show far less desire than they should.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 6, 2018 13:16:25 GMT
10 years in and we're advocating hoofball in the top division. No surprise really, it's what the current manager wants and what half the fan base thinks is football. We've played Crouch and hoofed it - 50/50 chance of him winning it and finding a willing runner. The other 50 percent sees him give a foul away or flick it on to nobody. I don't know what the answer is but Peter Crouch is definitely not it. With the squad we have that is just about all that we are left with it saddens me to say. We have no pace for anything else and the Club as a whole should hang its head in shame for the state that the squad as a whole has been allowed to degenerate into. It is impossible to think we can do any better when we have at least six senior players who give far less effort and show far less desire than they should. It’s like having loads of $#!t ingredient & what to do with them. Chocolate, salmon, beer, cinnamon, basil, curry, polenta, bananas, yogurt, parsnips, treacle & beans. Make something decent out of that lot 🤮
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 6, 2018 13:22:51 GMT
Why don’t we do what we did against Arsenal?? After all, what do we have to lose? It seemed okay when we tried it...
*i don’t mean concede a dodgy penalty and fall apart before someone says it lol
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Post by mrrburgundy on Apr 6, 2018 13:28:32 GMT
I'm perplexed as to why we don't use 4-4-2. I just don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:34:16 GMT
I'm perplexed as to why we don't use 4-4-2. I just don't get it. It hasn't worked for us at all since 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:37:59 GMT
If Crouch plays then Shaqiri needs to play very close to him. It worked at Spurs with Van de Vaart. Weve got to win on Saturday and the present system aint working It didn't actually work with Van de Vaart hence they wanted shut of Crouch and he ended up with us. Crouch scored 11 and VDV scored 15 the season they played together. Do you class that as not working?
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Post by stokemark on Apr 6, 2018 13:51:29 GMT
It didn't actually work with Van de Vaart hence they wanted shut of Crouch and he ended up with us. Crouch scored 11 and VDV scored 15 the season they played together. Do you class that as not working? He wasn’t 37 then
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 13:53:26 GMT
Crouch scored 11 and VDV scored 15 the season they played together. Do you class that as not working? He wasn’t 37 then You think hes lost pace? The point Im making is that you have to get players around him. To play him up front on his own is nuts.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 6, 2018 15:13:51 GMT
It didn't actually work with Van de Vaart hence they wanted shut of Crouch and he ended up with us. Crouch scored 11 and VDV scored 15 the season they played together. Do you class that as not working? Yet the team as a whole performed worse than the previous season hence crouch was discarded. Do you class that as working?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 15:20:29 GMT
Crouchies fault? Or the fact the season before he had Jermaine Defoe alongside him? Crouchie played a significant number of games in both seasons.
The fact remains that to get the best out of him you need to get players in and around him.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 6, 2018 17:03:07 GMT
Crouch has been tried by Lambert. We've won one in 10.
The manager is clueless.
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Post by stokienorthants on Apr 6, 2018 17:12:10 GMT
If you think Crouch is the answer then you are definitely missing the blindingly obvious ....he either plays in 442 or not at all ...otherwise see you in the championship Who is the answer out of what we have left? Bob in Row 3? Has he got his own boots?
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 6, 2018 17:22:56 GMT
I'm perplexed as to why we don't use 4-4-2. I just don't get it. It hasn't worked for us at all since 2012. How often have we played two up front since then? Berahino and Jese combined up front to score the winner against Arsenal. And I think we played two up front in Lambert's only win. When you've got the likes of Arnie, Bojan and Shaquiri all at the top of their game, you can get away with playing with one striker. Now we can't. Play one striker now and he's nearly always isolated. Any roads, I've just seen the Sentinel and it looks like Lambert's going with a 4-4-1-1 with Shaq in a free role behind the striker.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 17:26:24 GMT
It hasn't worked for us at all since 2012. How often have we played two up front since then? Berahino and Jese combined up front to score the winner against Arsenal. And I think we played two up front in Lambert's only win. When you've got the likes of Arnie, Bojan and Shaquiri all at the top of their game, you can get away with playing with one striker. Now we can't. Play one striker now and he's nearly always isolated. Any roads, I've just seen the Sentinel and it looks like Lambert's going with a 4-4-1-1 with Shaq in a free role behind the striker. A few times, we tried it every now and then under Hughes since we turned to shit last season, and the only time it's sort of worked was the 0-0 away at City. That vs. Arsenal was 343 with Jese wide of Saido. We can, but we need to play creative players. 2 wingers and 3 defensive mids isn't enough. I'm fine with that, as long as the two wide men can get forward. Bauer and Jese is fine with me. We can't play 2 out and out strikers because none of our strikers can create their own chances.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 6, 2018 17:48:56 GMT
None of our strikers are going to score,so it doesn't matter which one plays.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 6, 2018 18:05:33 GMT
Crouch has been great for us, but lets be honest, his contract extension was madness, along with so many others. The bloke is now shot.
The rest however are just shit
We have no strikers right now, that is the top and bottom of it
Hopefully Ngoy and Campbell can step up next season in the Championship
Clear to see except for those who run the club
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 6, 2018 20:06:07 GMT
Crouch has been great for us, but lets be honest, his contract extension was madness, along with so many others. The bloke is now shot. The rest however are just shit We have no strikers right now, that is the top and bottom of it Hopefully Ngoy and Campbell can step up next season in the Championship Clear to see except for those who run the club Dead right. Our recruitment has been shambolic, with zero thought given to replacing the stalwarts. How do you get these jobs? I bet loads on here could have come up with a better strike force than these cunts have managed.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 6, 2018 20:08:00 GMT
The most depressing thread title I've seen in many years.
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Post by scfc5 on Apr 6, 2018 21:00:32 GMT
I'm perplexed as to why we don't use 4-4-2. I just don't get it. Because we get overrun in midfield with a flat middle 2. Who else plays it currently with any degree of success in the Prem?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 6, 2018 21:18:12 GMT
The most depressing thread title I've seen in many years. Even more than the Depression one a while back. At least that offered some hope.
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