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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2018 22:20:20 GMT
If we match our results from last season in the corresponding fixtures, we'll go into the Swansea game on 35 points and needing to win to stay up. When you look at matching last seasons results it doesn't appear too big an ask and we would need a point from each of the games v Everton and West Ham and wins against Crystal Palace and Burnley. With no bonus points being gathered from Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Man City, if we can somehow turn one of those draws into a win, we should be safe before Swansea game. Will the usual 37 points be enough? Wow...I keep saying I'm not bothered if we go down and in many respects I'd welcome it (cheering recent goals for Burnley and Manure + wanting Arsenal to win is enough to tip anyone over the edge) but clearly, given that this relegation battle seemingly occupies my every waking thought, perhaps I really am bothered by it all afterall. Can we do it? I was convinced we were all but relegated a few weeks ago but the scenario above doesn't appear to be too big an ask does it? Or maybe it does?  |
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Mar 6, 2018 22:33:30 GMT
I don’t know how I’d cope if it went to the last day 😂
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 6, 2018 22:42:34 GMT
We can do it. But we won't.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 6, 2018 22:44:40 GMT
If we match our results from last season in the corresponding fixtures, we'll go into the Swansea game on 35 points and needing to win to stay up. When you look at matching last seasons results it doesn't appear too big an ask and we would need a point from each of the games v Everton and West Ham and wins against Crystal Palace and Burnley. With no bonus points being gathered from Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Man City, if we can somehow turn one of those draws into a win, we should be safe before Swansea game. Will the usual 37 points be enough? Wow...I keep saying I'm not bothered if we go down and in many respects I'd welcome it (cheering recent goals for Burnley and Manure + wanting Arsenal to win is enough to tip anyone over the edge) but clearly, given that this relegation battle seemingly occupies my every waking thought, perhaps I really am bothered by it all afterall. Can we do it? I was convinced we were all but relegated a few weeks ago but the scenario above doesn't appear to be too big an ask does it? Or maybe it does?  I’m increasingly of the view 37 won’t be enough and this has all the hallmarks of 2010-11 with us where Birmingham finished. 
On the last day of the 2010–11 season, five teams - Wolves, Blackburn Rovers, Birmingham City, Blackpool and Wigan - battled to avoid the two open relegation spots. West Ham were the team already assured of relegation to the Championship.
The survival Sunday saw all five teams separated by just one point, and was poised to be a dramatic dogfight to see who retains their Premier League status. After 37 matches, Blackburn and Wolves were each on 40 points, with Blackburn having the edge on goal difference.
The other three sides were on 39, separated only by goal difference (Birmingham City –20, Blackpool –21, Wigan –22). Wolves hosted fellow battlers Blackburn, with both sides knowing that a win would assure them of staying up. Meanwhile, Birmingham were at fifth-placed Tottenham, Blackpool faced champions Manchester United and Wigan came up against Stoke.
The only teams to have won were Blackburn – who beat Wolves 3-2 – and Wigan who overcame Stoke in a 1-0 win. This meant Birmingham and Blackpool’s defeats saw them take up the final two relegation spots, joining West Ham, in a truly dramatic final day of the season |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 6, 2018 22:46:34 GMT
We will need at least one bonus point because of our non existent defensive organisation under Hughes.
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Post by maine on Mar 7, 2018 3:40:02 GMT
I honestly can't see us beating Swansea down there. Let's hope we don't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 5:56:47 GMT
You cant compare last seasons fixtures to this season....Totally different team.
We have gone backwards, whereas others around us have progressed....
Still think only 3 games are of any importance...Burnley, Palace and Swansea...Maybe sneak summat against Everton...
Without sounding like a defeatist, the rest we are simply not good enough to get anything...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2018 7:07:19 GMT
Read somewhere recently that the average points for 17th place since PL started is 36.6.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 7, 2018 10:36:14 GMT
It's going to be a nail-biter that's for sure.
I just can't see us getting out of it.
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2018 10:41:20 GMT
If we match our results from last season in the corresponding fixtures, we'll go into the Swansea game on 35 points and needing to win to stay up. When you look at matching last seasons results it doesn't appear too big an ask and we would need a point from each of the games v Everton and West Ham and wins against Crystal Palace and Burnley. With no bonus points being gathered from Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Man City, if we can somehow turn one of those draws into a win, we should be safe before Swansea game. Will the usual 37 points be enough? Wow...I keep saying I'm not bothered if we go down and in many respects I'd welcome it (cheering recent goals for Burnley and Manure + wanting Arsenal to win is enough to tip anyone over the edge) but clearly, given that this relegation battle seemingly occupies my every waking thought, perhaps I really am bothered by it all afterall. Can we do it? I was convinced we were all but relegated a few weeks ago but the scenario above doesn't appear to be too big an ask does it? Or maybe it does? I’m increasingly of the view 37 won’t be enough and this has all the hallmarks of 2010-11 with us where Birmingham finished.
On the last day of the 2010–11 season, five teams - Wolves, Blackburn Rovers, Birmingham City, Blackpool and Wigan - battled to avoid the two open relegation spots. West Ham were the team already assured of relegation to the Championship.
The survival Sunday saw all five teams separated by just one point, and was poised to be a dramatic dogfight to see who retains their Premier League status. After 37 matches, Blackburn and Wolves were each on 40 points, with Blackburn having the edge on goal difference.
The other three sides were on 39, separated only by goal difference (Birmingham City –20, Blackpool –21, Wigan –22). Wolves hosted fellow battlers Blackburn, with both sides knowing that a win would assure them of staying up. Meanwhile, Birmingham were at fifth-placed Tottenham, Blackpool faced champions Manchester United and Wigan came up against Stoke.
The only teams to have won were Blackburn – who beat Wolves 3-2 – and Wigan who overcame Stoke in a 1-0 win. This meant Birmingham and Blackpool’s defeats saw them take up the final two relegation spots, joining West Ham, in a truly dramatic final day of the season how the heck did Wigan win that game against us, we should have been 4 up by Ht the jammy buggers. |
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Post by rorymscfc on Mar 7, 2018 10:41:23 GMT
Our best hope might be that Swansea are safe & on the beach on the last day.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 7, 2018 11:05:45 GMT
If we match our results from last season in the corresponding fixtures, we'll go into the Swansea game on 35 points and needing to win to stay up. When you look at matching last seasons results it doesn't appear too big an ask and we would need a point from each of the games v Everton and West Ham and wins against Crystal Palace and Burnley. With no bonus points being gathered from Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Man City, if we can somehow turn one of those draws into a win, we should be safe before Swansea game. Will the usual 37 points be enough? Wow...I keep saying I'm not bothered if we go down and in many respects I'd welcome it (cheering recent goals for Burnley and Manure + wanting Arsenal to win is enough to tip anyone over the edge) but clearly, given that this relegation battle seemingly occupies my every waking thought, perhaps I really am bothered by it all afterall. Can we do it? I was convinced we were all but relegated a few weeks ago but the scenario above doesn't appear to be too big an ask does it? Or maybe it does? However, if we match our performances from 1974, we could still end up in the top ten!  |
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Post by stokienorthants on Mar 7, 2018 11:53:07 GMT
Our best hope might be that Swansea are safe & on the beach on the last day. If they don’t turn up at the ground and are in fact on the beach I am confident we scrape a draw. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 7, 2018 12:02:32 GMT
You cant compare last seasons fixtures to this season....Totally different team. We have gone backwards, whereas others around us have progressed.... Still think only 3 games are of any importance...Burnley, Palace and Swansea...Maybe sneak summat against Everton... Without sounding like a defeatist, the rest we are simply not good enough to get anything... Totally different teams or not, I've always found it a great barometer as to how the season is going and where we are likely to end up. We are currently tracking 9 points behind last season from the same fixture set and we've been behind the "total" on a corresponding fixture basis since mid November. In previous seasons, under both Hughes and Pulis, we've pretty much tracked like for like throughout the season...no coincidence that considering we always finished within a point or 2 of the previous season courtesy of the result on the last day of the season. Last year, the decline was noticeable in the latter 3rd of the season and that trend has continued this season. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2018 12:24:16 GMT
Our best hope might be that Swansea are safe & on the beach on the last day. If they don’t turn up at the ground and are in fact on the beach I am confident we scrape a draw. The hubris probably isn't very apposite in our current circumstances, but any excuse to wheel out my favourite Stoke-related joke.... Stoke City and Port Vale were due to meet in a pre-season friendly the same day as Big Mama Sidibe's birthday party. All the lads want to go to the party, so they say to Abdoulaye Faye, "Hey Abdy, you can take care of the Vale on your own, can't you? You play them, we'll go to the party and you can come and join us later - we'll buy all your drinks."Abdy agrees, and the lads go off to the party. They're following the updates on Sky Sports and soon after it kicks off, they see GOAL: Stoke City 1 Port Vale 0: Faye, 8 minutes. They get the drinks and start celebrating. They keep an eye on the game and the score stays the same until just before the end, when they see GOAL: Stoke City 1 Port Vale 1: Richards, 89 minutes.The lads are all gutted, and a bit later a disconsolate-looking Faye arrives at the party. "What happened Abdy? How've you only managed a draw with the Vale??" To which Abdy replies "I got sent off after ten minutes." |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 7, 2018 12:37:11 GMT
Goal difference could very well prove to be a huge factor. Ours is so bad (and likely to get worse) we will need an extra point so anything less than 39 will see us down in my opinion.
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 7, 2018 13:33:42 GMT
I cannot see us surviving without sneaking a surprise result or two against the big teams we have left to play. Assuming we will win all three home games against Everton, Burnley and Palace is sheer folly (see Watford and Brighton home games).
38 points should be enough, but I am not sure we can reach that without an unexpected big win, or at least a couple of draws against the big boys. My heart says we can do it; my head says we will finish on 35/36 points and go down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 14:05:43 GMT
I cannot see us surviving without sneaking a surprise result or two against the big teams we have left to play. Assuming we will win all three home games against Everton, Burnley and Palace is sheer folly (see Watford and Brighton home games). 38 points should be enough, but I am not sure we can reach that without an unexpected big win, or at least a couple of draws against the big boys. My heart says we can do it; my head says we will finish on 35/36 points and go down. If Spurs beat Juventus tonight their fixture against us will be sandwiched in between their quarter final home and away ties - they will be all but guaranteed top four by then so it will be three points to the Mighty Potters..... |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 7, 2018 14:31:17 GMT
I cannot see us surviving without sneaking a surprise result or two against the big teams we have left to play. Assuming we will win all three home games against Everton, Burnley and Palace is sheer folly (see Watford and Brighton home games). 38 points should be enough, but I am not sure we can reach that without an unexpected big win, or at least a couple of draws against the big boys. My heart says we can do it; my head says we will finish on 35/36 points and go down. I agree mate. It will take something special to dig us out of this hole of our own making. I guess Leicester were down and out a few seasons ago but found something from somewhere. I still think Huddersfield are in the mire (that win the other week was a godsend for them) but it's probably two spots from four teams. The absolute worse case scenario is missing on on GD. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 7, 2018 14:46:51 GMT
I cannot see us surviving without sneaking a surprise result or two against the big teams we have left to play. Assuming we will win all three home games against Everton, Burnley and Palace is sheer folly (see Watford and Brighton home games). 38 points should be enough, but I am not sure we can reach that without an unexpected big win, or at least a couple of draws against the big boys. My heart says we can do it; my head says we will finish on 35/36 points and go down. I agree mate. It will take something special to dig us out of this hole of our own making. I guess Leicester were down and out a few seasons ago but found something from somewhere. I still think Huddersfield are in the mire (that win the other week was a godsend for them) but it's probably two spots from four teams. The absolute worse case scenario is missing on on GD. Winning just one of the BHA and Leicester games, both of which we had in our hands, but let skip to totally avoidable errors, might well have been enough to save us. That two points may prove the difference. |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 7, 2018 15:00:07 GMT
I agree mate. It will take something special to dig us out of this hole of our own making. I guess Leicester were down and out a few seasons ago but found something from somewhere. I still think Huddersfield are in the mire (that win the other week was a godsend for them) but it's probably two spots from four teams. The absolute worse case scenario is missing on on GD. Winning just one of the BHA and Leicester games, both of which we had in our hands, but let skip to totally avoidable errors, might well have been enough to save us. That two points may prove the difference. I agree and of the two the penalty miss was the most costly because it was game over whereas even with the Jack mistake Leicester still had time to get something from the game. We will never know but we do know that the combination of Adam's pen, the keepers save and the ref's failure to spot either of the infringements that would have given us another go at the pen. |
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Post by professorplump on Mar 7, 2018 15:43:24 GMT
Because of our poor goal difference I think we will need 38 points as an absolute minimum.
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Post by Godo on Mar 7, 2018 17:01:13 GMT
I think 11 pts at best and a total therefore of 38.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 7, 2018 17:18:13 GMT
I cannot see us surviving without sneaking a surprise result or two against the big teams we have left to play. Assuming we will win all three home games against Everton, Burnley and Palace is sheer folly (see Watford and Brighton home games). 38 points should be enough, but I am not sure we can reach that without an unexpected big win, or at least a couple of draws against the big boys. My heart says we can do it; my head says we will finish on 35/36 points and go down. That just about sums up where I'm at. I'm hoping spurs and Liverpool stay in champions league for as long as possible as that may help us. Same with arsenal in europa league in reality. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 7, 2018 17:47:49 GMT
The only way we will survive is a huge surprise win at home to either man city or Tottenham.
I don't know how we can do that or who could score for us. If we had riccy fuller in his prime I could see it happening, but not with this lot.
We can't afford to surrender any games. We have to go in with a fresh attitude against the big boys. Even if we draw against man city, it could be a big moment, leading us into a winnable home have that could take us out of the bottom three.
I hope we show some real nastiness on and off the pitch in every home game, which would give us a chance against man city and spurs.
Also, I'm coming down for the spurs game. Since I've been living in Scotland we have never lost when I have been to a game against the big boys. Ive seen wins against chelsea, man u, arse.
Last season I went one game, man u away and we got a point.
So don't worry, the big result will be in that spurs game.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 7, 2018 20:26:17 GMT
Man City resting some of their key players tonight 😧No Aguero or de Bruyne
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Post by skilljim on Mar 7, 2018 20:28:45 GMT
Man City resting some of their key players tonight 😧No Aguero or de Bruyne Ahh shite, I thought them playing an extra game midweek would give us slightly more of a chance...I guess technically it still does...but not as much as I was hoping! (Forgot they were already 4-0 up) |
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