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Post by rosco on Mar 3, 2018 23:31:31 GMT
Was he injured today?
If not surely Pieters should've been taken back off for Crouch.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2018 23:32:40 GMT
Don't think so, I'm guessing Lambert didn't want to be harsh to Pieters, it was a wasted sub anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2018 23:34:07 GMT
Just a mental sub.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 3, 2018 23:41:59 GMT
He did take a ball full on in the face just prior to half time which caused him some more wiping & blood checking.
If wasn't a tactical sub can only think he was assessed at half time & he'd maybe broke/injured his nose perhaps? Just a thought..
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Post by stokemark on Mar 3, 2018 23:45:06 GMT
No it was simply fuckwittery management
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 3, 2018 23:54:31 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help.
Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution.
Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC.
Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet.
The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well.
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Post by greystokie on Mar 3, 2018 23:55:44 GMT
Don't think so, I'm guessing Lambert didn't want to be harsh to Pieters, it was a wasted sub anyway. Exactly. What would it have done for Pieters' morale at this crucial stage of the season if he'd have taken him off? Lambo didn't reckon Crouchy or Jese would be fit enough to last the rest of the match from that point of time so the decision to bring Pieters on wasn't so daft.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2018 23:57:25 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. The match I watched was against Soton! EDIT: Sorry I couldn’t resist. BTW, I agree it was a very smart substitution and wasn’t the reason we didn’t win.
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Post by greystokie on Mar 3, 2018 23:58:00 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. WHO??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 0:00:59 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. Spot on son
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Post by rosco on Mar 4, 2018 0:06:24 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved tihe weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. I too back PL and it's his neck on the line just find it strange that he selected Staf over Pieters to start but then hooked Staf. Maybe he didn't want to sub a sub
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 4, 2018 0:11:59 GMT
Stafy was excellent against Leicester and started well today. How the fuck anyone could consider that replacing a striker with a left back which resulted in the left back moving to left midfield which resulted in left midfielder moving to centre forward which later resulted in a striker coming on for the left midfielder who started as a left back before the original left midfielder was subbed. And we thought Hughes made odd substitutions!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2018 0:22:07 GMT
Don't think so, I'm guessing Lambert didn't want to be harsh to Pieters, it was a wasted sub anyway. Exactly. What would it have done for Pieters' morale at this crucial stage of the season if he'd have taken him off? Lambo didn't reckon Crouchy or Jese would be fit enough to last the rest of the match from that point of time so the decision to bring Pieters on wasn't so daft. The decision to leave him on was, I'd have brought him off, Staf was doing fine and didn't deserve to get taken off, Pieters has been around long enough to know the deal.
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Post by Groundhog Day on Mar 4, 2018 0:22:37 GMT
Stafylidis was part of a new look defence that was looking good. First opportunity he got Pieters back in. One of the worst substitutions I've ever seen and I think he's shown that Pieters is his number 3. Taking Stafylidis off later made that clear. I have no more confidence in this manager than the last one.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2018 0:23:48 GMT
The bigger question is why have we got players on the bench that can't last more than a half, Campbell should have been included and this mess wouldn't have happened.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 0:24:36 GMT
The bigger question is why have we got players on the bench that can't last more than a half, Campbell should have been included and this mess wouldn't have happened. Because the manager is a clown?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 4, 2018 0:25:46 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. WHO?? Brighton, Soton, Bournemouth, the Vale - what’s the difference?
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Post by Groundhog Day on Mar 4, 2018 0:33:33 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. So we were playing Brighton and Campbell was on the bench? Did you actually see this game?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Mar 4, 2018 0:42:50 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. I was with you all the way. Then you gave Pulis some praise and that is unforgivable.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 4, 2018 9:03:42 GMT
Thanks for your replies to my post above.
Apologies for my slips with names; my excuses are I was falling asleep and had been drinking!
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 4, 2018 9:06:45 GMT
I really prefer Stafylidis to Pieters who always looks like a headless chicken, even yesterday he did at times!
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Post by stokemark on Mar 4, 2018 10:07:38 GMT
Thanks for your replies to my post above. Apologies for my slips with names; my excuses are I was falling asleep and had been drinking! Your defense of an utterly wank substitution confirms the drinking bit Mind you, you would still have Hughes in charge if it was up to you
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Post by jarhead on Mar 4, 2018 10:09:57 GMT
Stafy was excellent against Leicester and started well today. How the fuck anyone could consider that replacing a striker with a left back which resulted in the left back moving to left midfield which resulted in left midfielder moving to centre forward which later resulted in a striker coming on for the left midfielder who started as a left back before the original left midfielder was subbed. And we thought Hughes made odd substitutions! Exactly. It was an easy sub, Jese or Campbell for Diouf or even Ramadan and put chop-poo up top. The piss about it caused by trying to be over clever was unbelievable.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 4, 2018 10:10:44 GMT
Stafy was excellent against Leicester and started well today. How the fuck anyone could consider that replacing a striker with a left back which resulted in the left back moving to left midfield which resulted in left midfielder moving to centre forward which later resulted in a striker coming on for the left midfielder who started as a left back before the original left midfielder was subbed. And we thought Hughes made odd substitutions! It was madness - he is Pulis part two
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 4, 2018 11:37:18 GMT
Stafy was excellent against Leicester and started well today. How the fuck anyone could consider that replacing a striker with a left back which resulted in the left back moving to left midfield which resulted in left midfielder moving to centre forward which later resulted in a striker coming on for the left midfielder who started as a left back before the original left midfielder was subbed. And we thought Hughes made odd substitutions! Hughes never made substitutions unless the clock said 83 minutes and we were 3-0 down. At least Lambert doenst wait till we are dead and buried before trying to change it.
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Post by Stoke711 on Mar 4, 2018 11:46:27 GMT
Stafy was excellent against Leicester and started well today. How the fuck anyone could consider that replacing a striker with a left back which resulted in the left back moving to left midfield which resulted in left midfielder moving to centre forward which later resulted in a striker coming on for the left midfielder who started as a left back before the original left midfielder was subbed. And we thought Hughes made odd substitutions! Exactly. It was an easy sub, Jese or Campbell for Diouf or even Ramadan and put chop-poo up top. The piss about it caused by trying to be over clever was unbelievable. Ramadam and Campbell weren't on the bench.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 4, 2018 12:20:46 GMT
That’s just ridiculous even more.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 4, 2018 14:40:30 GMT
I thought Erik had a pretty awful game myself and we nullified our attacking threat with the introduction of Crouch at least twenty minutes too soon. It was unfortunate that Diouf getting injured made us reshuffle prematurely.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 4, 2018 14:44:09 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. Never mind the defence he didn’t help the attack either
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Post by vahl on Mar 4, 2018 15:01:22 GMT
Brighton were focusing most of their attacks down the the right wing and giving Stafy a hard time. Choupo was doing very little to help. Diouf was injured and needed to be replaced, so PL brought Pieters on the bolster the left side of defence and moved Choupo to the centre. Simply to replace Diouf with Crouch or Campbell would not have resolved the weakness on the left. PL addressed 2 issues with one substitution. Clearly PL rates Stafy playing further up field; he has done it before, and clearly he thought it too early to early to bring 2 subs on. PL clearly thinks using Pieters and Stafy on the left to defend is a better option than keeping Stafy at LB and bringing Ramadan on. Maybe we should try Cameron and Stafy in front of the back 4 against ManC. Everyone will have their own view on the matter. Personally I back the manager's judgement over Oatcake posters, including my own. He works with the players every day. At least we now have a manager like Pulis who understands you can't win a match if you let the opposition keep scoring. Once again we (luckily) kept a clean sheet. The main lesson of the day (again) was Choupo doesn't help out the defence very well. We saw different games. The only threat Southampton caused was from the left wing, not the right. His name is Nathan Redmond - he looked better than Shaqiri at times. In the end he just roamed where ever he wanted. Lambert believes Stafylidis can play left wing, which is why he put him in. He can play all over apparently. It was a pretty straightforward change and IMO proved how effective Choupo can be down the middle. When he was picking the ball up and running at them down the middle, he caused problems and he can do that all day long. He needs to be our #10 with 1 in front. That's what the main lesson of the day was and that is where we kill 2 birds with 1 stone because he wont be leaving his full-back exposed and will be playing to his own strengths.
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