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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 25, 2018 20:57:21 GMT
I can remember this game happening (we got thrashed 0-4 by Keegan's side, who were great at that time) but can't remember seeing much aggro actually happen other than the usual posturing.
There were so many stories though of Newcastle basically tearing the town centre apart that I guess I was just lucky to miss it. There's a good reason why I'm asking about this, so if you do have any memories of that night, please give me some details about what happened.
Thanks.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 25, 2018 21:03:28 GMT
My first ever game, I think.
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Post by shipshape on Feb 25, 2018 21:10:11 GMT
I can remember this game happening (we got thrashed 0-4 by Keegan's side, who were great at that time) but can't remember seeing much aggro actually happen other than the usual posturing. There were so many stories though of Newcastle basically tearing the town centre apart that I guess I was just lucky to miss it. There's a good reason why I'm asking about this, so if you do have any memories of that night, please give me some details about what happened. Thanks. I came up on the train for that game and the walk back to the station was not for the fainthearted. There was fighting all the way back. Can tell you more when I see you next if you like. Oh and that Newcastle side was bloody good. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
I can remember this game happening (we got thrashed 0-4 by Keegan's side, who were great at that time) but can't remember seeing much aggro actually happen other than the usual posturing. There were so many stories though of Newcastle basically tearing the town centre apart that I guess I was just lucky to miss it. There's a good reason why I'm asking about this, so if you do have any memories of that night, please give me some details about what happened. Thanks. The rumours of the 'Toon' fans hitting a girl spread like wildfire. I didn't see any mass confrontations but there were plenty of localised nasty ones. David Ginola then treated Ian Clarkson like Newcastle fans treat young girls for a bit.  |
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Post by lagwafis on Feb 25, 2018 21:17:32 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Feb 25, 2018 21:17:34 GMT
Wasn't there a rumour started that a woman had been beaten up by some Newcastle fans which caused some pandemonium at the time? From memory, there was never any evidence that the rumour was true.
I'd stupidly put a top on that looked just a bit too similar to the Newcastle away top. As I was walking to the ground with my dad, we were stopped by a couple of Stoke fans who rather pointedly asked what the time was. I was always sure that they'd done it to see if we had geordie accents so they could perhaps deliver a quick slap.
The funny thing was I recognised the two of them as they drank in the same pubs as me at the time. Muppets.
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Post by bigvern on Feb 25, 2018 21:23:51 GMT
The most violent evening I've ever seen in Stoke. A roumor of a young girl getting glassed in the bell and bear in Shelton and after that anyone in a black and white shirt was fair game. One thing that stays in my mind is one stokie walking alone by stoke market opening a car door and booting the passenger in the face and walking off casually while 4 young lads were overturning a minibus a little further down the road.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 25, 2018 21:28:30 GMT
My mate who is a Newcastle fan and goes hone and away says that is the worst experience he's ever had at or around a football ground. PS I was there and saw no mither at all  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 25, 2018 21:28:42 GMT
I just remember the French lady boy ginola getting clarkson red carded by his diving theatricals. Seem to recall it was 5-0 not 4. Could be wrong though.
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Post by shipshape on Feb 25, 2018 21:29:51 GMT
The most violent evening I've ever seen in Stoke. A roumor of a young girl getting glassed in the bell and bear in Shelton and after that anyone in a black and white shirt was fair game. One thing that stays in my mind is one stokie walking alone by stoke market opening a car door and booting the passenger in the face and walking off casually while 4 young lads were overturning a minibus a little further down the road. I saw that minibus being overturned in all. Although it was going off everywhere so could have been a different one. Saw loads of Newcastle fans just getting randomly attacked. It was not a good sight. |
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Post by bigvern on Feb 25, 2018 21:30:05 GMT
I just remember the French lady boy ginola getting clarkson red carded by his diving theatricals. Seem to recall it was 5-0 not 4. Could be wrong though. Defo 4. They were awesome that night |
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Post by kaney78 on Feb 25, 2018 21:31:00 GMT
I can remember this game happening (we got thrashed 0-4 by Keegan's side, who were great at that time) but can't remember seeing much aggro actually happen other than the usual posturing. There were so many stories though of Newcastle basically tearing the town centre apart that I guess I was just lucky to miss it. There's a good reason why I'm asking about this, so if you do have any memories of that night, please give me some details about what happened. Thanks. Some of worst trouble I ever seen at stoke, cars being turned over and all sorts. Felt sorry for some of the Newcastle fans |
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Post by Absolution on Feb 25, 2018 21:34:15 GMT
I just remember the French lady boy ginola getting clarkson red carded by his diving theatricals. That was really disappointing. He went down in my estimation that night. Someone in front of us at half-time said that Ginola was the most talented player he'd seen at the Vic since Hudson, and he was probably right. Why he had to resort to diving to get Clarkson sent off when he'd easily got the beating of him, I'll never know. |
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Post by bigvern on Feb 25, 2018 21:34:30 GMT
The most violent evening I've ever seen in Stoke. A roumor of a young girl getting glassed in the bell and bear in Shelton and after that anyone in a black and white shirt was fair game. One thing that stays in my mind is one stokie walking alone by stoke market opening a car door and booting the passenger in the face and walking off casually while 4 young lads were overturning a minibus a little further down the road. I saw that minibus being overturned in all. Although it was going off everywhere so could have been a different one. Saw loads of Newcastle fans just getting randomly attacked. It was not a good sight. That was the first time that I saw normal shirt boys getting filled in. I can remember walking to the Vic and there being blood spattered up shop fronts and on floors leading to the ground. |
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Post by shipshape on Feb 25, 2018 21:44:44 GMT
All the trouble I saw was after the game. I'd bought a mate up from uni, a Spurs fan. Not a great first impression of Stoke for him!
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Post by carruthers1on1 on Feb 25, 2018 22:29:02 GMT
For some reason I was meeting my mates inside the ground that night. As I passed the main entrance just before kick off, two fat Geordies floored a Stoke fan in a shirt without provocation. In a second they were set on by old blokes and kids. Two coppers stood and watched them get what they deserved.
The walk back to the bus opposite Bournes after the game was like something from a film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 22:32:20 GMT
I just remember the French lady boy ginola getting clarkson red carded by his diving theatricals. Seem to recall it was 5-0 not 4. Could be wrong though. 4-0 Mate. Remember for the whole second half...OOOh Ahhh Cheating French bastard.... |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Feb 25, 2018 22:35:35 GMT
The girl in question was in the Sentinel shortly afterward. There was a Picture of her bruised face and a description of her assault. I heard the glassing rumours that night too. I remember the girl because she was at school with me. Newcastle fans were all over Stoke in numbers drinking, and my guess is it upset local ‘sensibilities’. Stoke wasn’t a place to be obvious in in the 1990s. When we played Arsenal in the FA Cup in 2005, we bumped into a load of Newcastle fans at St Pancras (they were at yeading?), whose faces went white when they realised we were Stokies. We had a nice drink with them, when they realised we weren’t yobbos.
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Post by Davef on Feb 26, 2018 15:16:32 GMT
I can remember this game happening (we got thrashed 0-4 by Keegan's side, who were great at that time) but can't remember seeing much aggro actually happen other than the usual posturing. There were so many stories though of Newcastle basically tearing the town centre apart that I guess I was just lucky to miss it. There's a good reason why I'm asking about this, so if you do have any memories of that night, please give me some details about what happened. Thanks. If it's any help, here's a story we ran in the next Oatcake after that game... FIGHT NIGHT
THE VISIT of Newcastle United brought with it scenes not witnessed at Stoke for quite some time, with scuffles and battles being fought between the two sets of supporters both before and after the game. Call me naive but I had imagined a peaceful evening on the streets around the ground, not the kind of full scale combat we did see. The way the media like to describe the "Toon Army" you visualise them as some kind of fun loving, happy go lucky set of supporters, when in actual fact the truth is some way removed from that notion, at least as far as some of the Geordie supporters are concerned.
So is that to suggest that the extensive trouble was all down to the Newcastle United supporters? Well no it isn't, but they do have to accept their responsibility at what happened. There were large groups of them roaming around Stoke, singing and chanting and basically announcing who they were, and we all know that we have followers of Stoke for whom that action is akin to waving the proverbial red flag at the bull. As one angry Stokie was heard to say, "They think they own the f*****g place", and maybe that was at the root of some of the early trouble?
It probably isn't often that Newcastle are given 6,000+ tickets for an away game and they probably saw Stoke as just a small club anyway, in much the same way as many of our own supporters used to act when we went to places like Bury, Rotherham and Orient a few years ago. The fact is though, no matter whereabouts you go, if you travel to an away ground you can't go strutting down the main street singing "We are Stoke" at the top of your voice and then act all surprised when the locals start to take an interest in you, but that's exactly what some members of the "Toon Army" were doing.
On the way to the ground we saw Newcastle fans attacking Stoke supporters and we also saw Stoke fans doing exactly the same thing to Newcastle fans, and though we would not care to speculate who had actually started it all it was clear to see that both sets of fans were as active as each other once things were up and running.
Immediately outside the ground and inside it there were plenty of stories of what some Newcastle fans had been doing and you just knew that things were going to explode again after the game, especially with Stoke being heavily beaten, and that is exactly what happened.
In the following evening's Sentinel the police were quick to point the finger at Stoke supporters as being the main culprits for most of the trouble after the game and that would appear to be the case. However, in the Friday Sentinel there was the picture and story of the young woman and her (male) friends who had been attacked and beaten up in Fenton by Newcastle fans on their way to the match. It was stories of incidents such as these which seemed to inflame the Stoke nutters into seeking revenge after the game.
As always the irony is that most of the people attacked are usually either passers-by or innocent bystanders, victims of somebody else's rage or revenge. It is important to point out that there were many instances of Stoke and Newcastle fans drinking socially alongside each other in pubs throughout the Stoke area, but as always these things are ignored or forgotten when those who do like to fight get their way.
The Police appeared to be caught a bit flat-footed by the scale of the trouble before the match and looked hard pressed to contain the sporadic outbreaks of fighting which seemed to be popping up everywhere. Their intelligence probably didn't indicate that there would be much trouble with Newcastle's fans and they looked as surprised as the rest of us at what did occur.
Incidents such as these are always depressing but on this occasion at least, it would be unfair to blame only the Stoke boys. They don't need a second invitation to get involved in any trouble that might be going and in Newcastle they managed to find some willing adversaries!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 26, 2018 16:36:55 GMT
Some of the worst trouble I have ever seen down Stoke all sparked by the 'pregnant woman getting battered' rumour.
As soon as people heard it then the pubs emptied and there was scrapping everywhere, cars were overturned in town and up the West End and police didn't have a clue what to do. After the match I remember walking past the police station and Stoke fans were attacking Newcastle fans right in front. Nobody seemed to give a shit that it was a police station, in fact, police were getting battered too if they got in the way.
It's not very often you see anything more than posturing once police arrive but that night they were totally outnumbered and unprepared. It was the closest I have seen to mob rule.
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 26, 2018 17:03:40 GMT
It was a blood bath that's for sure, and I remember it like it was yesterday.
With the rumour of the girl being glassed Stoke fans were fuming and what didn't help was the way the Gordies were swanning around Stoke town centre drinking & singing in the streets like they owned the place which enraged a huge number of Stoke fans, it's the only time I have seen the Stoke nutters treat shirt boys as fair game! and that walk back from the ground to the station was carnage!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 26, 2018 17:47:05 GMT
It was pandemonium
There was an article in the sentinel at the time and a report that loads of newcastle fans were in a&e
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2018 17:53:46 GMT
Mark Prudhoe
Ian Clarkson
Vince Overson
Larus Sigurdsson
Ray Wallace
Lee Sandford
Graham Potter
Nigel Gleghorn
Kevin Keen
Martin Carruthers
Paul Peschisolido
Good team.
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Post by greenstone on Feb 26, 2018 22:04:05 GMT
I remember walking under the railway bridge in Stoke (on the road from civic centre) and having bottles fly over my head and fighting just kicking off, ironically I remember that match fondly. Newcastle had such a great side and played so well. Peter Beardsley signed autographs down in front of the paddock ahead of kick off ~ most famous player I had seen close up and he was v decent width the Stoke fans. Makes me feel quite nostalgic for the Vic!
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 26, 2018 22:11:07 GMT
Despite the slimy cheatiness Ginola was bloody brilliant. Under pressure in his own box he did two Cruyff turns and threaded a pass through to initiate an attack.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Feb 26, 2018 22:21:33 GMT
I was in jail. I remember listening to it on this ghetto blaster my mum bought in for me. I'd done every game home and away that season before I got sent down. The justice system. Tragic for the football fan.
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Post by pretzel on Feb 26, 2018 22:26:47 GMT
I remember walking under the railway bridge in Stoke (on the road from civic centre) and having bottles fly over my head and fighting just kicking off, ironically I remember that match fondly. Newcastle had such a great side and played so well. Peter Beardsley signed autographs down in front of the paddock ahead of kick off ~ most famous player I had seen close up and he was v decent width the Stoke fans. Makes me feel quite nostalgic for the Vic! Beardsley was majestic that night as I remember and was roundly applauded by the lads in the Boothen when he was announced as man of the match. For some bizarre reason the TV people rewarded this with a mountain bike which he donated to some kid or other. |
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Post by mark71 on Feb 26, 2018 23:01:33 GMT
I was in the Talbot at about 4 oclock the evening of the game. There was about 12 of us in there, all of a sudden a pissed up Geordie walked in a started singing and shouting like he owned the place. It only lasted about 30 seconds before he was put on his arse.
That set the scene for the night, Newcastle fans thought they could come into stoke and take over the town. They got battered, Back then Stoke wasn't a place you could go to and try and take the piss as the Geordies soon found out.
The oatcake article above is a great piece and is spot on.
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Post by lordb on Feb 26, 2018 23:06:04 GMT
Wasn't there a rumour started that a woman had been beaten up by some Newcastle fans which caused some pandemonium at the time? From memory, there was never any evidence that the rumour was true. I'd stupidly put a top on that looked just a bit too similar to the Newcastle away top. As I was walking to the ground with my dad, we were stopped by a couple of Stoke fans who rather pointedly asked what the time was. I was always sure that they'd done it to see if we had geordie accents so they could perhaps deliver a quick slap. The funny thing was I recognised the two of them as they drank in the same pubs as me at the time. Muppets. My ex and her friend, neither of whom were at the game, were punched by lovable Geordies. Football hooligans always pretend it's some macho bollocks of two sets of 'firms' facing off when in reality the vast majority is some wankers attacking much lesser numbers,women kids anyone. They can all fuck off. |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 27, 2018 9:52:18 GMT
Wasn't there a rumour started that a woman had been beaten up by some Newcastle fans which caused some pandemonium at the time? From memory, there was never any evidence that the rumour was true. I'd stupidly put a top on that looked just a bit too similar to the Newcastle away top. As I was walking to the ground with my dad, we were stopped by a couple of Stoke fans who rather pointedly asked what the time was. I was always sure that they'd done it to see if we had geordie accents so they could perhaps deliver a quick slap. The funny thing was I recognised the two of them as they drank in the same pubs as me at the time. Muppets. My ex and her friend, neither of whom were at the game, were punched by lovable Geordies. Football hooligans always pretend it's some macho bollocks of two sets of 'firms' facing off when in reality the vast majority is some wankers attacking much lesser numbers,women kids anyone. They can all fuck off. I don’t know what they’re like now & I wasn’t there for this cup game, but I did go to the home tie against these in the old 1st Div in 85. Me & a couple of lads from Stafford were late to the game & we bumped into a couple of N’castle beer monsters outside the ground. We were kids & they proper wanted to know. It was like the sleighing of Goliath |
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